This is a new group to me, not the teachings/teachers of the Noahide Laws, but this group in particular…never heard of it until today. Even after reading a few articles on this movement, I’m still not sure what it would be classified as except a false religion (or cult?): that being based on the denial of Jesus as the Messiah. At first I thought it was a part of the Hebraic Roots movement, but it doesn’t quite appear to be so. According to the website its comprised of Jewish Torah scholars and committed Gentile Noahites working together. Their goal appears to be to bring all people and Nations under submission to the Noahide Laws:
This many-faceted movement is demanding that entire nations submit to a set of principles variously termed the Noahide Laws, the Moral Law, Natural Law…(see Under The Law)
The World Conference of the Noahide Nations will be a time of discovery, a source for new friendships and an opportunity to forge lasting ties between the Jewish people and Noahides?ties that can strengthen us as individuals and encourage us to face the historic challenges of global change. The most important purpose for this conference is to bring that which has been prophesied into reality.
We are living in extraordinary times. Our world is plagued with violence, moral decay and diminishing human dignity. Yet, we find ourselves blessed with an unprecedented outpouring of knowledge that is both timeless and technological. It is a kind of flood that is both spiritual and material. We are poised on the brink of destruction or greatness. It is our hope and belief that mankind is approaching the latter, fueled by innovative discoveries and a growing awareness in the deep riches of the Torah knowledge. The melding of these resources coupled with a heightened sense of the need for community is the underlying theme of the most ambitious conference to date.
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From their website, NoahideNations:
Who are Noahides? (Just an excerpt)
- Briefly, just what is B’nai Noah?
Most simply put, B’nai Noah, or “children of Noah,” is the Talmudic way of referring to all humankind. According to the Bible we are all descendants of one man, namely Noah, after the Flood, and are thus “Children of Noah” (Genesis 10).
- You say this concept is in the Talmud. Is it also in the Bible?
Yes, but not by that name.
- Is this a religious Faith one can believe and follow?
Not in itself, there is more. Connected to the idea of being a descendant of Noah are the Noahide Laws which express the basic outlines of a full and dynamic relationship with God.
- You say the Noahide concept involves a whole Way of life. Can you explain this more?
Following these laws, even if they are expanded into whole categories, does not sound like enough to satisfy the spiritual needs of people? What about prayers, worship, holydays, customs and traditions? Do the Noahites have these?Definitely yes. Noahites are involved, in co-operation with leading rabbis in Israel and the United States in developing prayers, ceremonies, and rituals which are appropriate to them as Gentiles who have attached themselves to the One God of Israel. They are not seeking to begin a new religion. This is forbidden in the Torah. But neither are they seeking to simply “imitate” the Jewish practices. This would only confuse matters further. Most Noahites have turned away from some of the standard holy days of the West, such as Christmas and Easter, with their pagan associations. There is much in the Sacred Calendar of Judaism that is applicable to all humankind. The Sabbath day is first mentioned in Genesis 2, where it is sanctified as a day of rest, a memorial of the creation for humankind. Israel’s Sabbath observance, according to later halacha is another matter. Yom Kippur, the Day of Atonement, is certainly a day when all human beings, Jew or Gentile, can assemble in a spirit of repentance and reconciliation. Indeed, all the festivals of Israel can be remembered and honored in ways appropriate for Gentiles, but in solidarity with the Jewish people. The Noahites, with orthodox rabbinic input, are developing marriage ceremonies, prayers, and holy day rituals which are appropriate for all humankind.
Frankly, what is happening in our day in somewhat new. We are in a new situation, one we hope, through the grace of HaShem, will lead to Messianic times. In other words, much of this is right now being worked out in many nations in co-operation between Jewish Torah scholars and committed Gentile Noahites. This is in the spirit of Isaiah 2 and 11, which tells of the nations coming to Jerusalem to learn the “Way of HaShem,” leading to Messianic times when the earth is filled with the knowledge of HaShem as the waters cover the sea (see Zech 14:9). Obviously the whole world is not to literally become Jewish. But all nations can be taught of God and learn the Way of God for this planet. The Noahide concept is a beginning of that great goal.
- So, does that mean that this Noahide movement is actually rather new? Is it even, perhaps, what we might call a cult or sect?
No, it is quite old! After all, recall, this is the Faith of Abel, Enoch, Noah, Job, and even Abraham (before his circumcision). You could not find a religious Faith on this planet with older roots than the Noahide one! You would hardly call the religion of these Patriarchs a “cult.” It is the very foundation of Western ethical and moral values.
Also, from an historical point of view, the early Gentile participants in the movement that arose around Jesus the Nazarene were actually participating in a version of the B’nai Noah concept. In other words, early Gentile “Christianity,” might be more accurately classified as a messianic B’nai Noah movement, despite the later heretical developments within Christianity which made Jesus a second deity. B’nai Noah when properly understood instructs Gentiles to turn directly to the One God as He is revealed in the pages of the Scriptures. This is clearly reflected in Acts 15 and Paul’s instructions to his Gentile converts in letters like 1 Corinthians (see chapters 5-10) and 1 Thessalonians. He instructs the Gentile believers in Jesus as Messiah in the seven Noahide Laws. These were made binding on the Gentile converts by none other than Jacob (James), brother of Jesus, and leader of the Nazarene Sect. They were among the “Godfearers” who attended Jewish synagogues to learn Torah as it applied to them. There was nothing for the first 50 years of the movement that resembled what we call “Christianity,” as a separate Hellenistic religion distinct from Judaism. The movement was thoroughly Jewish, but with Gentiles invited to participate on the basis of the Noahide concept without conversion to Judaism.
- What is the attitude then, of the current B’nai Noah movement toward Christianity?
The B’nai Noah movement is definitely not Christian. It is larger than all world religions.
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Also see;
THE SANHEDRIN (which links to this group)
Beware of dogs, beware of evil workers, beware of the concision. For we are the circumcision, which worship God in the spirit, and rejoice in Christ Jesus, and have no confidence in the flesh. Philippians 3
Not sure if you’re interested but I made a post on the Noahide laws a while back and these laws are very definately tied in with the Sanhedrin.
Also beheading is one of the outcomes for those who do not follow these so called laws…
Thanks Vee!!
its an interesting topic..especially in light of the times we’re living in, both politically and spiritually.
Whether this is just another smoke screen put up by our enemy, to get our eyes off of what is really going on…i don’t know. OR it could be the opposite! I say that because very few Christians appear to see any significance in this (the noahide laws, etc) at all…
its something worth watching though…for that reason alone.
The above response by “Livingjourney” vividly demonstrates why Christians need to be more informed about the basics of Torah, Judaism and the B’Nei Noach movement before making such rash states as “…beheading is one of the outcomes…”
That statement is simply not true.
This is a gross misunderstanding of a very fundamental truth regarding the Torah—the Torah embodies the Constitution and Bill of Rights of the Jewish People in their God-given land. The Torah is their Declaration of Independence and their Deed to the Land.
The Torah Laws for any form of capital punishment are only applicable in the land of Israel. Go to books of Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, etc. and read through the 613 commandments given to the Jewish People and you will continually find the preamble “When you enter the land…”
Laws of capital punishment for Noahides would only apply if Israel was currently under Torah Law with a fully restored Sanhedrin. That body is a Jewish panel of 70 plus the Nasi and would only hear cases or crimes in Israel.
A Noahide would have to be a legal resident of Israel–one who agreed to abide by their laws. In the event that such an individual committed an act (such as murder or rape) which called for the death penalty, then that Noahide might face such punishment.
The 7th Noahide commandment from the Creator is a positive mitvoth telling non-Jews to establish their own courts of justice. Our founding fathers did just that when the US Legal system was created.
TO: PJMiller, when righteous nonjews are worshipping the Almighty and none other (i.e. praising jesus/praying to Jesus “Oh dear Jesus, please help me”…. praying to Mary….praying to Budda, etc.) – then this certainly is NOT A BAD THING! On the contrary G-d is very pleased.
PJ,
Torah is for all humanity. King Solomon built the Holy Temple in Jerusalem, he specifically asked God to heed the prayer of non-Jews who come to the Temple (1-Kings 8:41-43). The Temple was the universal center of spirituality, which the prophet Isaiah referred to as a “house of prayer for all nations.” Non-Jews were welcome to bring offerings to the Temple as well. In fact, the service in the Holy Temple during the week of Sukkot featured a total of 70 bull offerings, corresponding to each of the 70 nations of the world. In fact, the Talmud says that if the Romans would have realized how much they were benefiting from the Temple, they never would have destroyed it!
Religious Jews for a long time stopped teaching the 7 Noahide laws to nonjews because of the pogroms, inquistions, blood libels, etc….. because we are coming closer to THAT DAY when the shofar will sound and the Temple will stand once again THE NATIONS will stand in awe and they will look upon His Servant Israel that was so dispised by the goyim/nations – this is in Torah. I also wrote a song called “That Day” check it out on my blogspot
How beautiful indeed it is to worship the one true G-d of Israel and none other as commanded by Him in Torah.
when righteous nonjews are worshipping the Almighty and none other (i.e. praising jesus/praying to Jesus “Oh dear Jesus, please help me”…. praying to Mary….praying to Budda, etc.) – then this certainly is NOT A BAD THING! On the contrary G-d is very pleased.
As my old granny use to say, Horsefeathers!
(Jesus said) I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life, No man comes to the Father except through me” John 14:6
In light of that statement, praying to God the Father in any name other then that of Christ Jesus, is not only not pleasing to God but would not even reach the Throne of God
hahahaha….I meant hear… not here… oh dear
Torah is the law or known as ten commandments. I have heard a lot of people say and or teach that Jesus did away with law at the cross. That we are no longer under it. What Jesus did at the cross was do away with the ceremonial laws of sacrifice. Because He became the sacrifice ( otherwise the passover lamb). So now there is no longer need for the ceremonial sacrifices for sin offerings.
But Torah still stands and is now written on the hearts of those that belong to Him in the new covenant. He gave us these laws out of love to keep us out of trouble and to teach us how to love by obeying them.
Jesus did not come to destroy the law but to fulfill it…Matthew 5:17 He ‘met ‘ and/or satisfied the requirements of the Law for us.
By fulfilling the law Christ satisfied it’s requirements in our place. In other words, the ‘required’ obedience is accomplished in Him.
When in Christ do we keep all the law faithfully, and cannot be accused. In this way, we are no longer judged by the Law for we are under the Grace of God.
The law no longer condemns us. Romans 8:1-2
Either Jesus fulfilled all the Law or none of it.
If one believes He only fulfilled a portion of the Law, as in the sacrifices, and continue, though in Christ, to believe they must keep the remaining portions of the Law, they are not depending by faith on the finished work of Christ and the Cross.
For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all. James 2:10
For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is everyone that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them. Galatians 3:10
Not one of us is justified by the law, but by faith: “The righteous will live by faith.”
…knowing that a man is not justified by the Works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be Saved. Galatians 2:16
PJ,
This websites have helped explain alot to me.
http://www.colossians-2-16.net/
http;//www.gods-10-commandments.com/
http://www.gods-10-commandments.net/
http:www.gods-10-commandments.org/
I appreciate the time and effort you took Debra, to collect and share the links.
But, (lol, did u know a ‘but’ was coming?) after looking at them it appears they are concerning keeping certain days and getting into just when these fall–like the Sabbath; and combining the old covenant with the new.
The bible tells us;
PJ,
Hope this helps you even more so.
http://www.mashiyach.com/SighandCry/nakedpulpit.htm
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The Noahide law that says not to blaspheme or to worship only one God is dangerous to Christians that believe Jesus is God because that would be considered blasphemy by Judaism and Islam. And if you get hold of the official listing of the 7 noahide laws, yes the punishment for blasphemy will be beheading hence the guillotines rumored to be in the USA. If you wear a cross that will be considered blasphemy. it will be forbidden. So Christians beware!