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Todd Bentley: The Spirit of Rebellion


This is a topic I’d like to look at and hopefully discuss with anyone who wants to jump in.

For rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft, and stubbornness is as iniquity and idolatry. 1Samuel 15:23a

Scott, at his blog NorthWest Musings, has posted the link to an interview done recently in Seattle, WA with a few who know or are acquainted with Bentley and his life and ministry. PLEASE listen to this interview:

Live from Seattle radio interview

Perhaps I am out of the loop, but what I heard really surprised me. I had no idea that the action which instigated that horrible clip we have heard all over the internet of Bentley screaming out over and over, ANGELS ANGELS ANGELS, and ENCOURAGING others to join him in yelling this out, was a result of and done in defiance of a warning given to him by Rodney Howard-Browne the very day before.

I remembered when it is mentioned in this interview, that Todd, directly prior to going into the Angel rant, had made mention of someone telling hm he should not speak of Angels, etc…but I never had a clue he was referring to R.H. Browne. Is the fact of his lying to Browne and doing this in a direct act of defiance against his admonition why we are not seeing R. H. Browne more actively involved in Lakeland?

And what about that ‘prophecy’ last week concerning R.H. Browne, which came forth from James Goll when filling in for Bentley? Rodney Howard Brown 3rd Wind hitting his sail. Sounds like someone’s trying to mend some broken-down fences.

Folks, Todd Bentley is not only a liar (he even lied to Brown) but is in rebellion, and in my opinion has a demonic spirit OF rebellion operating in his life. He is unteachable, and listens to no one. That is my conclusion after listening to this interview. It was said he has a problem with father figures–which may very well explain why no one can reach him.

Rebellion is the spirit of anarchy, and associated with and connected to the spirit of anti-christ.

Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time. 1 John 2:18

And Rebellion and Pride caused Lucifer’s fall:

How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!  For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:  I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High. Isaiah 14: 12-14

Ask yourself if its not possible this ‘contagious impartation’ he is spreading is not in fact a spirit of rebellion.

Todd Bentley needs to be delivered and set free.

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47 comments on “Todd Bentley: The Spirit of Rebellion

  1. If this is true (and the tattoos, etc. may be manifestations of this new breed of rebellion), then he’s connected with Americanism, hasn’t he? We were birthed in rebellion, were we not? Isn’t that why we wave the flag so much? A spirit of independence, we call it.

    (Yes, I’m an American, hopefully an honest and objective one)

  2. Jesus is alive :) Lets join together in Prayer for Todd. I see God using Todd as example to all of us that.. its not about the MAN its about what GOD can do in and through all of US! May our hearts fill with God’s love and respond to Jesus in Love :) Bless you

  3. pj, I also put a post up on an exclusive interview that tc robinson had with Mr. Roger, the man with stage 4 colon cancer in that now infamous video showing Todd Bentley kneeing him in the gut.

    http://northwestmusings.wordpress.com/2008/07/18/interview-with-man-bentley-kneed-in-stomach/

  4. Actions speak. Jesus spoke of love. Jesus walked in love. He asked us to do the same. Is this a loving act? Have previous acts been rooted in love? I do not believe the God of Abraham, Issac and Jacob is a God who would hurt another individual to ultimately heal. I do not see that in the scriptures. Why would God want His children to believe this today? Exposure by contrast…this “revival” is not of God. There, I said it.

  5. pj. have you seen this quote from Che Ahn? It’s in this story posted here http://www.pasadenastarnews.com/news/ci_9919655

    ….Usually, the church is open on Sunday mornings for services, but there’s a special reason Ambassador is open on a nightly basis now: The Lakeland Revival, which is attracting tens of thousands of worshipers to Lakeland, Fla., is coming west when Lakeland Revival leader, Canadian healing evangelist Todd Bentley, addresses Southern California followers on July 26 and July 27.

    A similar event, foretold to Pastor Che Ahn of Harvest Rock Church prior to the Lakeland revival, was to take place at his Pasadena church.

    “I received a personal prophetic word from a prophet named Bob Jones that the glory would come to Harvest Rock Church and L.A. from July 22 to July 29. But prophecy has to be tested,” said Pastor Ahn. “For me, the confirmation of that prophetic word came when Todd Bentley agreed to come to LA. That is amazing in the sense that he doesn’t leave Lakeland. We are only one of a few cities that he feels God has called him to during this Lakeland revival.”

    Harvest Rock Church is anticipating overflow crowds for Bentley’s visit, to the extent that it has rented the Galen Center at USC, which accommodates 10,258 visitors.

    Before Bentley visits Southern California, other guest speakers will participate in Harvest Rock Church’s “33 Nights of Glory.”

  6. Todd is a very angry man under the surface. I saw a bit of him tonight, he’s very angry.

    I just can’t believe the audacity of this man, he said it again tonight! He reported 32 resurrections from the dead! Then to top it off, he lashed out at people for not believing it. These people are seriously deluded. Lord, have mercy!

  7. To follow-up, I think they have a strategy in place now. The line has been drawn. Anyone who opposes him is against the Lord, and the news media (according to him) just won’t report the truth!

    Therefore, the firewall is up. Until someone exposes some recent dirt on him, the band wagon will move on. Next target? Pasadena, CA. There’s gold in them thar hills!

  8. If this is true (and the tattoos, etc. may be manifestations of this new breed of rebellion), then he’s connected with Americanism, hasn’t he?

    Its a manifestation all-right. And i think it is a type of rebellion against God and his creation:the word tells us man was created in the image of God. Purposefully marking up that creation in such an extreme manner as Todd has done, is sending a message about God’s creation.

    Paul did you listen to the interview? It was very interesting to hear what that 80 year old said about these tattoos of Todd’s. It was called an addiction, when someone keeps getting tattoo after tattoo all over their body. The old brother said Todd has another spirit. I agree 100%…i wish i had a transcript of that interview…

  9. I am listening to tonights service as i write.

    For the first time, since i started listening to him in clips and at lakeland months ago, the only emotion i am sensing in my spirit is revulsion.

    I am so very sick of hearing this man twist scripture and speak about nothing but himself , signs and wonders, and the ‘impartation’

    I said it a few weeks ago here on the blog and i’ll say it again: i wouldn’t let that man lay his hands on me for any amount of money.

  10. I’m telling you, something is gonna break on this Guy, I just know it. It’s turned into complete defiance now. He is giving God, and everyone else the finger, and I don’t mean the one way sign either.

  11. PJ and Scott,

    The night I saw a major switch happen in the spirit was during the baptism show. If you remember the serpents on the TShirt he wore here, I saw in the spirit that the two snakes represented him holding up two middle fingers.

    http://endtimespropheticwords.wordpress.com/2008/07/07/todd-bentley-and-the-snakes/

    I didn’t really get a sense of who the gesture was directed to at the time, but your comment scott is accurate and not a reaction of your flesh. When I saw it here, I had to write to confirm it before anyone judges it as too crude.

    He will soon encounter a smackdown of stunning proportion once God decides He has seen enough and has fully used this God-mocking evil for his purposes.

  12. DEFIANCE… seems to be his Nick-Name

    rebel child
    rebel teenager
    rebel young adult
    and now we have
    REBEL CHRISTIAN?

    We are all rebellious, disobedient children… yet there seems to be Raging Spirit attached to this one.

    I wonder why this guy reminds me of Saul the King in the Old Test. It is as if at one time God did something in this man’s life… his testimony seems to indicate this, but something has happened since. Saul continued to believe God had His hand upon him and believed he was able to REBEL and do things in his own way. and to boot… sought out witchery in the spirit world of the dead in order to know what he desired. Saul would not listen to anyone; not even God. Some people continue to act like they are Kings; even when they are taken down off of their Mighty Throne. He even places himself among the prophets and prophesies. He was one with a Raging Spirit; filled with Aggression.

  13. [quote]If this is true (and the tattoos, etc. may be manifestations of this new breed of rebellion), then he’s connected with Americanism, hasn’t he? We were birthed in rebellion, were we not? Isn’t that why we wave the flag so much? A spirit of independence, we call it.[/quote]

    I think, if you were to read the writings, the history, the passion, and of the poetry of ideals that were created during the birth of “Americanism”, you would not speak thusly. It is simply a fashionable thing to say, an easy thing to say, to insult something that isn’t very well known.

    However, I wonder, why bring up “Americanism”? Is “Europeanism” better than Americanism? Is Africanism better than Americanism? Is Japanese-ism better than Americanism? I find that if you were to use any other term in place of “Americanism”, your entire foundation of argument would crumble in absurdity. There is no reason to be against “Americanism”, to blame some inherent sin of being “rebellious” in our birth and history. Why blame Americanism when you can blame, for example, actual sin? Actual Rebellion against God that is manifested by all tribes? If you were fair, you would be against all “Nation”isms, and would have some philosophical diddy against every nation. Perhaps the Brits and their inherent gluttony, (for they do drink so very much Tea and eat many biscuits!). And as for the French? Hmm, well, I better not go there.

    I conclude, therefore, that this word of yours against “Americanism” is born more out of a sense of fashion and a lack of appreciation for history than it is out of logical “objective” analysis. If it were, you would have a catch phrase against every nation, but if you were to go so far you would realize the inherent waste of time in that and would simply fall back to a general lamentation against all humanity.

  14. He reminds me of Allister Crowley. Mr. Crowley was obsessed with Angels.

    Todd is posessesed by something dark and worships Satan. He acknowledges that he USED to be into the occult…what a joke! He still is!

    He says that AFTER he was saved, demons were cast out of him….Is he sure of that? Looks to me like multiple demons have a happy little home in Bentley.

    The man is pure evil. Watch this interview…

    For those of you who don’t know about his past, here is a brief article…

    http://www.charismamag.com/articles/index.php?id=7032

    I am not saying that people can’t change, but you will know them by their fruits. Todd has the same “fruit” he’s always had.

  15. Hi, I loaded up part of the radio interview where the man sharing explains the real reason behind Bentley’s infamous ANGELS ANGELS ANGELS rant! He basically gave Rodney Howard Browne the finger! Which is funny in a sick sort of way.

  16. I wonder why this guy reminds me of Saul the King in the Old Test.

    Oxy,

    I can accept that as a confirmation. Last night while praying, King Saul came to mind as i prayed for Todd Bentley.

    Paul said above:

    I see God using Todd as example…

    And i agree. But perhaps not as Paul sees it.

    God may be using Todd as an example, like we read in the bible of King Saul’s life, of what happens when we fail to wait upon God and refuse Godly counsel, but instead plunge recklessly ahead in our own rebellion.

    It cost Saul the kingdom and eventually his life.

    He will soon encounter a smackdown of stunning proportion once God decides He has seen enough and has fully used this God-mocking evil for his purposes.

    Dan, i have seen that being said on a few trusted blogs–so im beginning to wonder if God is not revealing that it will indeed occur.

  17. Hi, I loaded up part of the radio interview where the man sharing explains the real reason behind Bentley’s infamous ANGELS ANGELS ANGELS rant

    Scott thank you! And God bless you for taking the time and effort to do this. I edited the original post to include your youtube clip.

    I thought this was so revealing…I know some folks have a hard time listening to on-line audio, so this may give those folks a chance to at least “possibly” hear this part of the interview.

  18. However, I wonder, why bring up “Americanism”?

    Hi Ricardo…

    I don’t want to speak for Paul–so hopefully he’ll see your comment/question and be able to reply, but i can tell you how i understood his words.

    The Church in America has in a huge way, “Americanized” Christianity over the last 50 years [in particular]….and if you consider how the world was invited into the Church and has subsequently flooded it with all-things-worldly, its understandable that we now see nothing wrong with Christian preachers of the Gospel, pastors, etc covering their bodies (from ankle to neck, as in Todd’s case) with tattoos. Ditto for the lip and face piercings.

    50 years ago this would have seemed an impossibility in the Church in America…heck, 20 years ago it would have! It is a form of a more recent ‘open’ in your face, rebellion towards God.

  19. PJ, Check this out!

    The Outpouring is Going to the Nations!
    Stephen Strader
    Jul 19, 2008

    Todd Bentley announced that the OUTPOURING is going to the nations!!!

    The OUTPOURING meetings will continue in Lakeland with Pastor Stephen Strader of the Ignited Church and Todd will began to travel to key cities throughout the USA and the world beginning August 23!

    We encourage everyone who can to get into as many of these final services in the TENT! We believe that there will be a special anointing to CONTINUE the LAKELAND OUTPOURING as well as to RELEASE OUTPOURINGS all over the world!

    You can see specific dates that Todd will be in and out of the LAKELAND OUTPOURING as well as cities throughout the globe!

    http://www.freshfire.ca/?Id=926&pid=952

    Beginning THIS Sunday, July 20th, Stephen will begin working with Todd on the transition of the LAKELAND OUTPOURING.

    Stephen will be speaking in the TENT this Sunday night!!!

    You can go to http://www.ignitedchurch.com and click on 10am or 7pm to see the LAKELAND OUTPOURING services LIVE!

    Each morning at 10am E.S.T. features speakers from all over the world who have been impacted by the anointing!

    Each evening at 7pm E.S.T. either Todd, Stephen, or one of the associates of FFM will be speaking.

    The http://www.ignitedchurch.com website will direct you to the LAKELAND OUTPOURING webcast broadcasts. God TV webcast will direct you to where ever Todd is speaking in the world.

    Both Ignited Church Media and God TV will continue to host archives of previous services so you can experience the OUTPOURINGS from both LAKELAND and around the world!

  20. Scott:
    Nothing new.
    Go into the Wayback Machine and look at early Fresh Fire pages. Back then it was Canada.

    Todd Bentley was abandoned, abused and fostered. He became an abuser.
    In 2001- a reporter got his hands on information about Bentley’s juvie record.
    The only way that becomes public is if the person acknowledges it to the reporter. I can assure you, no media outlet in Canada is going to do this lightly.
    I’ve often wondered who wanted this written up.

    I’ve never wondered why Bentley talked to the reporter. He’s broken. He does not function well unless it is about him. He needs the adreniline and dompamine and endorphins attention brings.

    I can appreciate he thinks he is doing damage control in that interview, but my experience has been the Bentley’s in life are profoundly and tragically self-defeating.

    His crimes were described as heinous.
    Flip that around. What was done to him?

    He would have had some treatment while incarcerated as an adolescent, but certainly not what he needed and at that stage. As a street smart and frightened survivor, he may not have been able to receive what meager psychological help was offered by the province.
    Whatever social and emotional support he has received certainly isn’t enough – it can’t be.
    He’s not been treated, he isn’t healed,.

    Fast forward to Todd Bentley starting out his ministry. He gets invited to Gibson BC. The pastoral council there is concerned enough to go public and are very clear churches will not send their young people to his meetings. That isn’t just ignorant hysteria and mistrust.

    One gang has been traded for another, people are using Bentley and Bentley is using them. You are not seeing healthy adult interdependent functioning.

    This should give us serious pause. We can’t just moralize or dismiss how we encourage damaged, wounded people to create more damage.

    He copes with fantasy, denial, grandious thinking, religious ideation, escapism (his music and motorcycles). Classic symptoms.

    Want more? Obesity, anxiety, lying, stealing, lack of empathy, low or extreme affect, humiliation of others, power, gratification and identity issues, withdrawal…

    He has overdosed, what about the brain damage?

    There are seven categories used to meaure after effects of abuse in adult surivors, they are variable, overlapping and pervasive.
    Bentley is not asymptomatic.

    We can spiritualize any of them.

    Bentley has access to health care in Canada, he is free to seek holistic long term treatment, physical, psychological, social and spiritual. It’s not likely he will, the work involved is arduous, the emotional pain debilitating; the care and support needed, long term and consistant.
    His risk factors are not good.

    You see a lot of untreated churched people. Many gravitate to leadership. That’s not news.

    In male sexual abuse survivors tattooing addiction is not uncommon, this addiction serves at least a double purpose – with his magical thinking it is body armour, the pain is pleasure, it feeds self-gratication, skewed identity.

    You have seen the rage, abandonment, confusion, helplessness, bravado, anxiety, dissociating, blaming, lying etc.
    You can see a damaged untreated person running amock, you can see the tragedy of spiritual damage and abuse also.

    The chanting (I lost count at about the 33rd ‘angels’) is also a form of self-soothing. Scary eh?

    Defiant?
    Of course.
    He’s stuck. He’s so stuck he’s cracked up, he’s had a heart attack, runs away, figures out the angles, manipulates against the middle, trades off his addictions…

    I’m not going to minimize the spiritual damage he is doing to others, if he is going to have a smackdown, then let it be to a long term treatment facility with his family. This guy doesn’t know boundaries and has dismal coping skills.

    He was vulnerable to spiritual abusers, suggestible and prey to the demonic from early in his life and just like how he survived the sexual abuse, he has become a spiritual abuser.

    Let me ask bloggers this. When you’ve received email lambasting you about your criticism of Bentley have you thought to yourself, how adolescent?

    Some is coming from emotionally damaged adults who have not been treated, who are finding in Lakeland a terrific way to numb their pain.

    We’re enablers, not healers.

  21. I want to comment later on a few things said above, especially your post Bene…you said some very interesting things, but right now i have a question.

    Its been obvious to me, in the things Todd has said, that he has felt a close ‘connection’ or dependency on one of the many angels he’s written and spoken of–that being this Emma…(by the way, he said during last nights service, very sorrowfully, he had not seen or been aware of any of these angels for over 2 weeks–he said it was because he had stopped promoting them and/or the supernatural??)

    Anyway, the significance of that particular ‘Angel’ was the idea it presented itself as female–and what were some of the terms used?- “motherly”??? i believe was one.

    Demons don’t multiply…so any demon active today, was active in the long ago past, and will be ‘tomorrow’…

    Because this so-called Emma is female, do you think its possible that this particular unclean spirit always represents itself as a woman? If so, could it be the same unclean spirit (also motherly) which shows up all over the Catholic world, to many, as Mary?

    just something to ponder on…

  22. Zec 5:6 And I said, What [is] it? And he said, This [is] an ephah that goeth forth. He said moreover, This [is] their resemblance through all the earth.

    Zec 5:7 And, behold, there was lifted up a talent of lead: and this [is] a woman that sitteth in the midst of the ephah.

    Zec 5:8 And he said, This [is] wickedness. And he cast it into the midst of the ephah; and he cast the weight of lead upon the mouth thereof.

    Zec 5:9 Then lifted I up mine eyes, and looked, and, behold, there came out two women, and the wind [was] in their wings; for they had wings like the wings of a stork: and they lifted up the ephah between the earth and the heaven.

    Zec 5:10 Then said I to the angel that talked with me, Whither do these bear the ephah?

    Zec 5:11 And he said unto me, To build it an house in the land of Shinar: and it shall be established, and set there upon her own base.

    I wonder if Emma has the wings of a stork?? These are unclean birds…ya know…

  23. Bene, that was a dead on target evaluation. You see clearly how this wounded soul is being preyed upon by demons (that’s what they’re supposed to do) but worst of all, fellow Christian “ministers” (taking advantage of damaged or possessed people is not what they’re supposed to do!).

  24. ..August 23..?

    – how convienient. That day ( or the following ) is st Bartholomew Day;
    for okkultists ‘the Great Sabbath ‘,
    and the type of it is..yes, ‘FIRE ‘.

    L

  25. I am wondering if ther isn’t a spirit of rebellion brewing over even the ‘worship’ preceding the circus. I have watched some of the worship the last couple of evenings and heard words in song about ‘freedmom’ from and ‘breaking free’ from ‘spirits’ of religion and tradition.

  26. My spelling is terrible – ‘freedom’.

  27. Hi PJ,
    The connection of Emma and the catholic apparitions of Mary-that is a fascinating thought.

    I just wanted to amen BeneD on the comment of “You see a lot of untreated churched people. Many gravitate to leadership.” Yeah especially in the charismatic church. Hyperactivity and being a loose cannon is mistaken for being on fire for the Lord. I know a few personally and it’s truly tragic. I was waiting for someone to discuss Todd from psychological perspective since there is so much to tackle.

  28. what I find sad is the push in many charismatic churches to take a new convert from bad backgrounds and trust them into ministry. Why the rush? People like Todd should be getting their heads on straight becoming emotionally stable and maturing in the faith. But then when you look at many of the church leaders who are messed up themselves I guess it’s no surprise.

  29. oops trust=thrustinto ministry

  30. The night I saw a major switch happen in the spirit was during the baptism show.

    Dan, i have read on a few boards and blogs, that the televised baptism service changed many peoples opinions of Bentley and/or this outpouring. Even many of those who had either been ‘on the fence’ about the whole thing, or even openly defending him, were shocked and deeply offended by the baptism event. I watched it and can understand why…

  31. Pj… do you think its possible that this particular unclean spirit always represents itself as a woman? If so, could it be the same unclean spirit (also motherly) which shows up all over the Catholic world, to many, as Mary?

    Oxy: it surely is possible. Although I do not believe angels are female, I do believe they have the ability to work on our imagination so as to seem female, or motherly.
    **********************************************************

    Bene D. Quote: Let me ask bloggers this. When you’ve received email lambasting you about your criticism of Bentley have you thought to yourself, how adolescent?

    Some is coming from emotionally damaged adults who have not been treated, who are finding in Lakeland a terrific way to numb their pain.

    Oxy’s reply: Yes, yet it isn’t just in Lakeland Fla. Most of my attacks are from athiests, not from those who love Tawd/Todd. But I do see on other blogs where people come to his defense in a zealous fashion… as if one had cursed Gawd himself.

    Think about the attraction. One such as Tawd/Todd with his background would be most appealing to those who believe they are the outcasts of the church. If Gawd could favor such a sinner… a great sinner in their eyes; liken unto themselves, could Gawd favor them too? Man does tend to bring God down to his own level. It is as if he only can identify with this god in the same way he identifies himself.

    Bene D Quote: He needs the adreniline and dompamine and endorphins attention brings.

    We live in an age where our young people are getting High off of violence… howbeit there are thousands upon thousands who are screaming as loud as Bentley in his audience. And to boot, the so called christian bands who attend his meetings don’t seem to recognize it. Drum roll please. They play along with him as he shouts for more angelic beings and impartations. It just works up the crowd even more. Some of those lead singers look like they are drugged, with their eyes going into the back of their head, laughing, and even forgetting how to play the music.

    This isn’t just one spirit at work here… he has a real following. It is Hypnotic.

    (by the way… enjoyed reading what you posted… good observation)

  32. Check this out! ….The Outpouring is Going to the Nations

    Thanks for the links Scott–yes i saw something about that today too, he and that impartation are going to be busy.

    I also noticed that GODTV’s Wendy Alec [the one who prophesied that Jesus was going to show up at lakeland and 'appear on stage'] is prophesying (again) in preparation for Todd’s visit to California;

    I see, and not by a ‘vision’ Wendy Alec trying to drum up as many as she can to attend this Bentley event in LA on the 26th and 27th.

    Its long, but if you want to muddle through it…

    ******************************************

    Quote…

    [take note that the judgment is NOT coming to where Bentley is scheduled to be this month--no, its only coming to San Fransisco and other cities north???...But LA gets the 'revival"]

    Word for San Francisco and Los Angeles
    Wendy Alec
    Jul 18, 2008

    I was awoken in the early hours of the morning to hear the words ringing out -‘ THE BAYTHE BAY THE BAY THE BAY’ – As I currently live in the UK and am not at all familiar with the West Coast I did not know even know what The Bay meant other than that I knew the Lord was saying CALIFORNIA – but once again I sensed a strong red alert for San Francisco.

    It was only a day LATER that I discovered that the Bay area covers San Francisco. I knew the Lord was trying to get my attention.

    Words of judgement are often not well received and I have held back on this word for several weeks to weigh it intensely, but under the fear of the Lord I feel I must deliver it now so that those with a burden for the West coast can pray, so that many, many will come to repentance in this present hour and also that God’s faithful servants will know his supernatural protection in the times to come. This is what I saw.

    THE BAY THE BAY THE BAY THE BAY – ANGELS OF JUDGEMENT CARRYING GOLDEN SCYTHES

    I saw two huge Angels of Judgement carrying what seemed to be huge golden threshing instruments that looked like scythes. They were crying out in loud voices:

    ‘THE BAY THE BAY THE BAY THE BAY’ and again they cried out – ‘THE BAY THE BAY THE BAY THE BAY.’

    I did not know what that meant except that I knew that it was CALIFORNIA and I had the same dread for San Francisco that I had experienced before when I had received the ‘West Coast’ Prophecy.

    And I saw a mighty shaking and trembling begin under the earth

    And the Lord said – ‘From under the Pacific it shall come – in Fire and in water – it shall come.’

    It was hardly noticeable at first but it was as though the whole city froze as one and then the shaking and the terror and THEN THE FIRE CAME

    I saw a horrifying inferno — A literal inferno.

    I saw ravaged land – ravaged, ravaged cities.

    But one city received the full force of this terror and earthquake and this is what the warning was crying out ‘THE BAY – THE BAY’

    And I saw the heavens were black – blacker than black and there was no light – all light was extinguished.

    And the smoke continued to rise and thousands upon thousands of this city were killed at the first strike…..

    And I saw water – water devastating parts of the West Coast – to the NORTH – THE NORTH – beware the NORTH – THE NORTHERN CALIFORNIAN COASTLINE…

    There was not just one city affected. It was more than one – on the Northern California Coast.

    People were bleeding and dying.

    I heard many cursing God – even in their suffering instead of crying out for mercy they were cursing God

    But I also heard those crying out in desperation for His mercy and the Angel of the Lord spoke the Word of the Lord And I heard him say ‘And these ones I shall by no means cast out.’

    EMPTY CISTERNS – EMPTY CISTERNS – SCALES OF JUDGEMENT FULL

    And the moon turned a strange colour of crimson.

    And the haze hung over the bay for many days and nights.

    And the city was silent.

    Thousands of people were left crushed – drowned.

    I felt this was further up the coast than Los Angeles – more to the North, though Los Angeles was shaken it was not as devastating as The BAY the Lord was talking about.

    LOS ANGELES – A SPIRITUAL FLAME –ANGELS ON THE WIND – REVIVAL BREAKS FORTH

    And then I saw Los Angeles – and it seemed a different scenario – and I knew that the Lord held in great esteem and looked down with a great and enduring compassion on His servants – His prophets –His intercessors – His servants who had stood in the gap for Los Angeles.

    And I saw many intercessors who had stood in the gap day and night for Los Angeles and California and I wondered if these faithful servants of God were the reason that in the former vision I only saw a partial devastation of Los Angeles – great swathes of Los Angeles were PROTECTED.

    LOS ANGELES

    And I was taken back to Los Angeles.

    And I saw a spiritual flame burning from Los Angeles and the Southern Coastline of California.

    And I saw Angels on the wind over Los Angeles with a banner REVIVAL BREAKS FORTH

    And a connection with LAKELAND – this seemed to be happening in a second timeline that was not the same timeline as the former vision but was more in the present season.

    And I saw the face of the Angels of Judgement were set fiercely against this city and the word of the Lord came forth saying – ‘For I have set my face against this land – and even in a moment I shall smite it’ – and I saw the fall of the Golden Gate – cut in two and how the mighty were brought to the ground even in a moment. And I saw above the Golden gate bridge written IDOLATRY.

    And I saw the city of San Francisco a devastation – blackened and even to the coastline to the North of San Francisco –

    ‘CRY OUT, CRY OUT!’ cried the Angels of the Lord –‘CRY OUT, CRY OUT to the Most High God for surely your idols have fallen – every one – and no more shall they rise.’

    RAINBOW RISING FROM THE STRETCHES OF NORTH CALIFORNIA OVER SAN FRANCISCO TO SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA – I SHALL ESTABLISH IN THIS PLACE MY GOLDEN GATE

    And then I saw a rainbow – the most glorious sight – it rose from the stretches of Northern California and over the devastated city of San Francisco and then over to Southern California and it blazed with every colour as bright as the sun and out of the radiance I saw a GOLDEN GATE – it seemed so huge and so glorious it looked as the gates of heaven – and I heard the Lord say – ‘And now I shall establish in this place MY GOLDEN GATE – (*Wonder if that means another OPEN PORTAL????)

    A gate of repentance –

    A gate of revival –

    A gate of cleansing –

    A gate of Holiness’.

    And I saw a remnant in that charred city come out from under the angel’s robes – and over their heads was written FAITHFUL and TRUE –and The Lord said ‘These are those who stood for me in this city of San Francisco-

    These are those who have wept and pleaded and interceded for this city day and night without ceasing. These are those who were My gate keepers of this city – who heralded in revival – and poured out My Spirit even in the face of great opposition and persecution – these are those who are greatly BELOVED by me.’

    And I saw that the Lord Himself had placed them under the angel’s mantle and that these faithful pastors and apostles, these intercessors and prophets had been divinely protected by the Lord’s own hand from this harm and I saw the Father’s hand pick them up and set them on high with heaven’s Golden Gate – as His chosen gatekeepers for the new move of His spirit that would sweep through the Northern parts and coastline of California.

    And I heard the Lord say ‘REDDING – REDDING ‘ – and I saw a vast thick elixir like golden river flowing from REDDING to San Francisco – San Jose and on to Los Angeles – and these forks in the river were all connected.

    LOS ANGELES – SEVENTEEN HUGE BLAZING LIGHTS
    A SIGN READ – MORE TIME – REVIVAL FIRE
    A GREAT GRACE SHALL ARISE FROM SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA

    Then the Lord directed me to look back to Los Angeles – and I saw Los Angeles shaken but by no means devastated or destroyed. And I saw as the rainbow encircled Los Angeles great swathes of light beaming up into the night skies – these were blazing beams of light almost as from monstrous searchlights. And there were thousands of them – some were very small like pinpricks but others were so huge and filled the night sky.

    And the Lord said – ‘This is the reason My hand has been stayed for yet a season for Los Angeles. For these are My servants – HOLY and TRUE. ‘

    And once again – it seemed I was taken back to a second timeline more in this present and coming season before the devastation that was to come…

    And I sensed that these were the blazing lights of those who had followed the Lamb wherever He went with great sacrifice to their own lives and their own agendas – and it was because of these ones that the Judgement over Los Angeles would be stayed and I saw a sign that read –

    MORE TIME – REVIVAL FIRE – And I sensed a GREAT SHIFT IN THE SPIRIT CENTERING ON LOS ANGELES AND CALIFORNIA – THIS WAS HAPPENING NOW IN THIS PRESENT SEASON – I sensed the Lord was IN THIS PRESENT SEASON about to turn His FOCUS and INTIMATE ATTENTION on Los Angeles and California – and it was a BLAZING FOCUS – I felt the Fathers eyes were as hot coals blazing with His Mercy, His Judgement yet with His infinite grace upon the West coast and especially Los Angeles – that He had been deeply stirred by the cries of His people.

    AND I SAW ANOTHER SIGN THAT READ – REVIVAL FIRES IN THE WEST and I saw the streams from Redding join with several of the streams in Los Angeles.

    And a fiery molten stream from LAKELAND.

    This stream was literally so intense – hissing and burning with the fire’s of the Ancient of Days – it was blazing red hot coals everywhere it passed. And then I saw different streams emanating from some of these light bearers and I saw molten silver river flow and a molten ruby fire river flow from another and from another flowed a river of diamond like molten fire. And I realised that where the Lamb was worshipped and adored, the Lord was about to JOIN some streams together and it was out of this that California’s revival fire would come.

  33. I am wondering if there isn’t a spirit of rebellion brewing over even the ‘worship’ preceding the circus…

    There very well could be. Over the weeks, because i watch the services later and not in ‘real time’ i find myself skipping over the music and on into the ‘speaking’ so i haven’t noticed any of the songs. Do you think they have changed recently?

  34. Bene,

    im with Andy, that was a good post with some excellent observations.

    He’s broken. He does not function well unless it is about him. He needs the adreniline and dompamine and endorphins attention brings.

    ….he isn’t healed

    …people are using Bentley and Bentley is using them

    …This guy doesn’t know boundaries

    Those were just some things which jumped out….

    Let me ask bloggers this.

    When you’ve received email lambasting you about your criticism of Bentley have you thought to yourself, how adolescent?

    No, not adolescent, more in the line of: (one or more of these)

    1- Not having a very good grasp of the bible/scripture, and in over half of the instances, not having any real regard for what the Word says.

    2- Not having an understanding of what real Christian and Godly love is. They mistake Godly love with total acceptance of everything and everyone.

    3- Deceived and blind…

    I will share something here which i’ve not mentioned before….

    Over the last few months since i began posting on this outpouring, i receive on the average of 1-3 letters aweek from people who start out with:

    Dear Todd…..

    And then go on to tell about deep needs they have in their lives. Lost spouses, lost children, ill or dying family or friends…one was even a request for “Todd” to pray for this person’s spouse who has just died–asking Todd to pray their spouse would be resurrected; desperate financial needs, lost jobs, etc etc etc….

    This above all things, since i began posting on this outpouring and/or Bentley, has brought me the deepest pain. I keep these mis-directed requests (i don’t know why they think they can reach Todd from here–it is a mystery) and pray over them.

    And its perhaps because of these many requests, which by the way, im still getting, that i become so angry at the lies Todd tells–the lies concerning the “millions” (as he said in KY) which have been healed by him over the last 10 years—and of all those who through his ministry and his “words of knowledge”, have been raised from the dead.

    Todd, for whatever reason, plays with real hurting people’s lives. He does not offer them hope through Jesus, he offers them FALSE HOPE by encouraging them to believe ‘he’ can help them–or, as he did Friday night at his first service back at lakeland, that seeking the supernatural is where their answers lie.

    I believe in the supernatural works of God. Always have, always will, but i also know its THE GOD of the supernatural we are to seek and want and desire–Todd points desperate people to signs and wonders. Not the God who sends them.

    As long as im expressing my thoughts i’ll say this too:

    There is going to be a lot more fall-out to this then even the people led astray by this unholy impartation–or Todd’s wild beliefs…

    Those who believed they were going to be healed and were not—those, like the letters i receive, who wrongly believe Todd can pray for them, and God will answer his prayers.

    Others which may end up just as damaged are going to be those, like myself, who KNOW God heals, that God sends real signs and wonders on occasion, that have seen or experienced REAL supernatural manifestations from God, or visions/dreams, etc…

    These people may become so seared ( in their spirit) by all of this excess and falsity we see now, that it causes them to turn totally away from anything supernatural from God.

    Bottom line, many many Christians are going to end up being affected by not just Todd Bentley, but the many “little Todd Bentley’s” who are going to follow in his foot steps. He and they, are going to cause many faiths to be shipwrecked.

  35. I don’t think they have changed the songs, , It’s what’s between the songs by the two main ‘leaders’ that jumped out at me. It might not even be new and only that I just noticed it. There is a sentiment in many churches that doctrine/traditional religion are no longer important, but it’s not ‘bondage’ and ‘spirit’ driven and something from which ‘real’ Christians need to ‘break free’. Then again, ther is nothing new under the sun, only the same lies repackaged and re-marketed for ‘product longevity’.

    I watched a little of the ‘service’ again last night and as usual, it gave me a sick feeling and I had to turn away. What surprises me is that even with the ‘visibility’ TB is getting that exposes him even in the secular media, the crowds keep coming, and yelling, and screaming, and hoping, and leaving crushed – and comming back!

    Last night he was even putting words in peoples’ mouths when they started to talk about their illnesses, ‘clarifying’ the ‘miracles’ for them to the crowd!

  36. I watched a little of the ’service’ again last night and as usual, it gave me a sick feeling and I had to turn away.

    Hey….did you watch it long enough to hear Todd tell everyone there was a hearse containing a ‘recently dead’ body parked just outside the tent?

    Talk about weird….

    anyway, he had everyone calling for the person to be resurrected..then moved on to praying for people..

    A’m i the only person who finds this weird, eerie, sad, and just plain nuts?

    I say sad because someone believed if they brought their dead relative and/or friend, that Todd could pray and raise them up.

    Off the top of my head, i cannot recall people bringing their dead to Jesus–i know he went specifically, to two places (to Lazarus, and the little girls home) and a third time its recorded he raised the dead man outside the gate because he had pity on the mother ( luke 7)

  37. I listened to that part ane yes. . .weird. . .

  38. PJ:

    Your much language is clearer than what I used. Thanks, you said it well…

    “No, not adolescent, more in the line of: (one or more of these)

    “1- Not having a very good grasp of the bible/scripture, and in over half of the instances, not having any real regard for what the Word says.

    2- Not having an understanding of what real Christian and Godly love is. They mistake Godly love with total acceptance of everything and everyone.

    3- Deceived and blind…”

    Pleading email to Bentley has landed in my inbox also. It is heartbreaking. I read it, delete it and remember them in prayer.

  39. Hey Born4Battle…

    When you watched did you notice Todd has picked up a new word? SHAKA!

    He’s picked up the Jim Goll ‘SHAKA’ spirit… :-)

  40. Pleading email to Bentley has landed in my inbox also

    Bene, thanks for letting me know this–it confused me as to ‘why’ i am receiving these, now that i know others have as well, im wondering if these are not being sent or ‘mis-directed’ purposefully by God, for God knows we are praying over them.

    I’m be curious to know if other bloggers, ones who have been posting things on this event and Todd (as warnings) have received the same type of mis-directed mail…

    God is good….

  41. Hi PJ,

    You’re misspelling Rodney Howard-Browne’s last name, which makes it hard to find your posts in google. It’s Browne with an ‘e’.

    James

  42. Hey, thanks James!….i added on that little ‘e’ after seeing your comment.

    Its funny how one little letter can make such a huge difference when looking up something on the internet. :-)

  43. To Ricardo on his lengthy tome comparing Americanism and American Independence to “rebellion”.

    Uh, Ricardo, you don’t know your American History. The Declaration of Independence was written specifically to deal with the Bible’s issues of rebellion. This is why it was not a French Revolution or any other type of revolution, i.e. “rebellion”. America may be in major sin, she may be “Mystery Babylon” but DON’T pin “rebellion” upon her when the Founding Fathers went out of there way to reverence a Holy God’s edict against rebellion. You don’t know what you are talking about.

    But yeah, Todd Bentley is more than “in rebellion.” It is outright witchcraft and I pray everyone STAYS AWAY from Harvest Rock in Pasadena unless they want a witchy impartation to take home with them.

  44. Following all of the recent internet coverage, the show’s host, Ken Talbott posted the original show to his site as “July 14th on AM 820 KGNW” at http://www.thewalkshow.com

  45. Thank you Sterling!!

    Yes there’s been alot of buzz about that program, thank the Lord…

    it appears to have made a great impact, even on many of those who had supported Todd in the past.

    Thanks again…you posting the link gave me the opportunity to visit and subscribe to The Walk’s rss feed.

  46. Way back when (early 90’s) was at a Bible study at church – the teacher was teaching on Revelation and the passage about the locusts in colors of red, blue, etc. (sorry, don’t have the specific scripture at hand). The Lord opened my eyes to it being a counterfeit rainbow – being as it was the “primary colors” and a counterfeit to His covenant.

    Not saying that it specifically applies to the prophecy above, but that triggered my memory of this. Your thoughts, testing of that word are appreciated and welcome!

  47. I found the comment very interesting,the one that said that emma-O,could be the same spirit appearing as Mary.I never would have thought of that,but it could be.Alot of people feel more comfortable with a female apparition because females are thought of as soft and nurtuiring,motherly.Male angels would seem more frightening.Also,feminists are drawn to the idea of Mary,or Godesses,sometimes.I’m not even Catholic,but the story of Bernadette and Lourdes used to fascinate me.I think alot of it had to do with the powerful,supernatural female being.

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