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The Subtle Advance of the Apostolic ‘Revolution’ and Joel’s Army


This is an extremely interesting article, one I would suggest reading in its entirety. You may not agree with all of it, (the author touches on the rapture and a few other points which many believers differ over, theologically) but sitting that aside, the information concerning the subtle shift many Churches are making into Dominionist/Dominionism theology is excellent reading for those interested in the goals these people have set and are pursuing: That includes the NAR (New Apostolic Reformation).

There is also included within the article (at the link) a video clip in which Patricia King introduces Lance Wallnau, who proceeds to ‘explain’ the goal of the Seven Mountain Strategy to take control of religion, government, family, education, arts and entertainment, media, and business.

I found a couple additional clips on the 7 Mountain ‘strategy’ at youtube, so will post the links at the end.

From TalkToAction, The “Lions In the Pews”

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Palin’s Churches and the Third Wave
The leadership of the New Apostolic Reformation is not waiting around for the Rapture.  They are actively planning to advance the kingdom on earth by conquering the “Seven Mountains.”

Sarah Palin’s churches are being portrayed by many religion writers as typical of traditional Assemblies of God congregations.  This includes claims that she may share the endtimes belief that the godly will be snatched from the earth in the Rapture and therefore avoid the reign of the Antichrist in the Tribulation and the Apocalypse.  This conclusion completely ignores the fact that Palin’s churches are deeply involved in the activities and beliefs of a nondenominational movement that is sweeping the globe.  The followers of this movement are not waiting around for the Rapture.

The title of this article (*The “Lions In the Pews”) was borrowed from one of several Dominionist authors who are currently promoting the idea of “prophetic fusion” or the convergence of the different strands of Christian Dominionism into a great force to bring about the Kingdom of God on earth now. A rapidly growing component of this fusion of Dominionists is the New Apostolic Reformation.

The New Apostolic Reformation could be viewed as a parallel movement of some of the more familiar Dominionist groups that are often discussed on this site.  But this strand has emerged from Pentecostal and Charismatic backgrounds and has been nearly invisible to both the mainstream press and progressive writers. Like other Dominionists the New Apostolics are culture warriors and have specific stated goals for overtaking all spheres of American society and government as seen in the video above.

Also, like other dominionist groups they actually invest much of their efforts in fighting the traditional institutionalized church.

However, they differ from most other Dominionist groups in their embrace of the outpouring of gifts of the holy spirit, or manifestations, like being slain in the spirit, Holy Laughter, and other states of altered consciousness that are a part of their very experiential worship style.

The New Apostolic Reformation is also much more focused on the expulsion of demons as the process for healing, social reform, or even raising people from the dead.  They have a unique and extensive lingo that is dedicated to the description of the expulsion of territorial demons including terms like ground level spiritual warfare, occult level spiritual warfare, and strategic level spiritual warfare.

While Pentecostal churches have always celebrated a restoration of the church, this has been tempered with Rapture theology.   As churches embrace this Apostolic revolution they are moving away from the traditions of Assemblies of God and other denominations and  are adopting a  view of the end time that includes the triumph and perfection of the church as opposed to escaping  in the Rapture from an evil world descending into the apocalypse.

They see the imminent end times as a time of great glory for the restored true  Apostolic church greater than the one of New Testament times, and a time when the foot soldiers of this church will be imparted with supernatural powers.

This outpouring of powers will allow them to crush evil with a “rod of iron” and deliver a purified church to Jesus when he returns.

Their schedule is even more pressing than many in other Dominionist groups because their hybrid mixture of end time beliefs…

The writer whose title I borrowed for this article states, “This growing army of delivered, discipled and deployed Christians are now prepared to become active participants in the cosmic battle for every area of God’s terra-firma.”

Many of the statistics that are being published in articles about Palin’s churches are basically correct in their analysis of Assemblies of God.

It is true that recent surveys of pastors in this denomination, report that over ninety percent believe in a premillennial return of Jesus, but only a little more than half of these pastors are Dispensational. Dispensationalism is the theological term for the end time narrative of the Rapture before the Tribulation, like the narrative popularized in the fictional portrayals of the Left Behind books and by televangelist John Hagee)

The individual churches that have become involved in the New Apostolic Reformation do not automatically alter their endtime beliefs, or change their faith statements to match those of other Dominionist groups, but instead gradually make subtle changes to allow for a triumph of the church in the physical earth before Jesus returns.

While the alterations in the narrative may be subtle, the change in the perceived mandate for these believers is dramatic.

In the doomsday scenario of Dispensationalism, the true believers are snatched from the earth in order to enjoy their heavenly reward and the evil are “left behind” to suffer the consequences of their unbelief. 

In the evolving end time beliefs of the New Apostolic Reformation, the triumphant church becomes the army of God to cleanse the earth and punish the evil themselves.

Rick Joyner, founder of Morningstar Ministries, is viewed from both inside and outside of the movement as one its major prophetic writers.  His numerous books can be purchased around the globe including (and this writer can vouch for this) bookstores in Africa and Asia.  Joyner writes,

“The doctrine of the Rapture was a great and effective ruse of the enemy to implant in the church a retreat mentality but it won’t succeed.  Already this yoke has been cast off by the majority of the advancing church, and it will soon be cast off by all…” - (Rick Joyner, The Harvest, Charlotte, Morningstar Ministries Publishing, 1989, page 120)

But the urgency is still there if the Rapture is not.  Steve Thompson, Head of Prophecy at Morningstar Ministries, located outside Charlotte.  Thompson has traveled to Wasilla to led prophetic conferences.  He explains that urgency.

“See, Jesus is waiting – seated at the right hand of the Father, having all authority on Heaven and on Earth, having commissioned and empowered and deployed his disciples to go out to enforce the victory and the judgment that he won over the enemy and waiting until his people rise up and demonstrate their glory and those enemies are put under the feet of the body of Christ.” - Morningstar Breakout, videoclip Week 17 / August 7-13 2008

Bob Jones in his “Shepherd’s Rod for 2001″ prophecy says,

The youth are going to begin to convert the shame associated with this generation to honor and glory for the Lord and His anointing. Whenever the reference is made concerning youth, it is denoting those born since the 1973 United States Supreme Court decision of Roe vs. Wade… It will be the role of this present generation to become “fathers” to the younger generation and disciple them in becoming the great army the Lord desires to use before His return. (Note this is not Bob Jones of Bob Jones University, but Bob Jones formerly associated with the Kansas City Prophets and currently leading events at Morningstar Ministries)

Sarah Palin’s church in which she was baptized and attended for over two decades, maintains a 3-year post high school program costing $8,000 per year, which inculcates Third Wave and New Apostolic Reformation ideas.  The Wasilla Assemblies of God Master’s Commission uses curriculum designed by Steve Thompson, Francis Frangipane and John Bevere. The Master’s Commission students flew from Alaska to participate in a prophecy conference led by Rick Joyner, Steve Thompson and Bob Jones at Morningstar Ministries earlier this year.  The Master’s Commission posted pictures they had taken of these Apostolic and Prophetic leaders on their website.  Sarah Palin spoke at the ceremony of this year’s Master Commission graduating class. See this video featuring Steve Thompson and Morningstar Ministries.

One person who has taken this message to those born after 1973 seriously is Todd Bentley, who was, until a few weeks ago, the healer at the Lakeland Outpouring revival.  In his personal testimony on his ministry website Bentley states,

Bob (Bob Jones) told me that I’m part of the “first fruits wave of a billion people that are going to be lit on fire.  My life is a message, a prophetic signpost of what God wants to do with millions of others….The Lord said, “I have a hidden, secret army around the earth that I will enlist and uncover at My time….In My time, even in a day, I will uncover a new breed of apostles pastors, prophets, and teachers – a new breed of ministry.  You are one of many first fruits of an entire army that I am equipping in these days.”

Regardless of how the end time narrative is altered to allow for this triumphant army of God, these warriors believe they have a mandate to take control of all earthly spheres.  They teach that Jesus is waiting for humans to accomplish this task before coming to meet his Bride, the purified and perfected church.

This purification of the church will take place through a restructuring of Christendom under the Fivefold ministry. This means a revamping of the governments of the church and the earth primarily under the authority of Apostles and Prophets who are anointed by God as defined by the anointed believers in the movement.

Among recent articles claiming that Palin’s churches are typical of Assemblies of God was a quote from an expert claiming that a researcher working on this project on Palin’s churches is “mixing up a bunch of stuff.” The Third Wave is indeed a mixture of a number of strands that remained from the Latter Rain movement of the 1940s and 50s as well as more recent incarnations of related ideas found in a number of different revival movements over the last few decades.  Some of the strands making up the Third Wave came from groups referred to as Word-Faith, Prosperity Doctrine, Maranatha, the Vineyard Movement, the Lauderdale Five and the Shepherding Movement, the Kansas City Prophets, the Toronto Airport Blessing, and more.

What the expert in that article failed to acknowledge is that segments of this mixed group are rapidly coalescing into a more organized structure and belief system under the auspices of the New Apostolic Reformation and similar interconnected international Apostolic networks.  The New Apostolic Reformation was coined by the convening Apostle, C. Peter Wagner less than a decade ago and has rapidly pulled these various threads into a powerful and more structured international movement. Wagner claims that the New Apostolic Age began in 2001.

The New Apostolic Reformation is pulling its growing numbers from across all denominational lines but has made inroads into a number of churches that are members of the Assemblies of God, just as the Latter Rain forerunner of this movement did in the 1940s.  While the ranks of the movement are being  filled with nondenominational churches and parachurch ministries, they are also drawing in large numbers of existing Pentecostal churches worldwide.

Wagner himself reports that the only national denomination that has fully embraced their “new wave” is the Australian Assemblies of God.  Under the direction of former Superintendent Andrew Evans, this denomination experienced phenomenal growth as they increasingly embraced the “signs and wonders” of the Apostolic movement.  Despite controversy and resistance from more traditional Assembly of God leaders, the denomination’s move toward these beliefs included a name change to Australian Christian Churches in 2007.  This is a part of the effort to become a unified and nondenominational entity that can absorb other churches.  This new designation now includes a number of former Pentecostal denominations in “voluntary cooperation.” The Australian Christian Church is now headed by Brian Houston, head of the Hillsong Church and Hillsong’s international network of ministries.  Hillsong is Australia’s largest church and Houston is a internationally known figure in the Third Wave/ New Apostolic Reformation.

continuing, quote….

As is the case of many revivalist or restoration movements, members of the New Apostolic Reformation view the traditional or institutionalized church as the major obstacle to their success, and in this case, their ability to triumph over the earth.

In his book, Civil War in the Church, Rick Joyner claims that this war, like the American Civil War, will be between the “grays” and the “blues.” Joyner and other leaders frequently repeat this theme.  The “grays” represent the institutionalized existing church which he claims is mired in legalism and “lives by the power of their own brains.”  Meanwhile the “blues” represent those joining in the new knowledge and supernatural outpouring of visions and miracles.

According to Joyner the “grays” must accept the outpouring of the Latter Rain and end their escapist fantasies about the Rapture.  The victorious church will put all enemies under her feet.  The old church represents spiritual slavery and oppression.  Joyner believes that many who view themselves as Christians will be on the wrong side of this war.  According to Joyner,

“Then I turned and saw the army of the Lord standing behind me. There were thousands of soldiers, but they were still greatly outnumbered. I was shocked and disheartened as it seemed that there were actually many more Christians being used by the evil one than there were in the army of the Lord. I also knew that the battle that was about to begin was going to be viewed as The Great Christian Civil War because very few would understand the powers that were behind the impending conflict.” – Rick Joyner, The Final Quest, 1996, p. 22)

However, despite being outnumbered, this new church will win the war because God has imparted special spiritual powers and secret wisdom to the true believers.

Final Quest, which is an account of a prophetic vision to Joyner, also includes a meeting with an eagle. The eagle says to Joyner,

“You want to know who we are.  We are the hidden prophets who have been kept for this hour.  We are the eyes of those who have been given the divinely powerful weapons.  We have been shown all that the Lord is doing, and all that the enemy is planning against you. – (Rick Joyner, The Final Quest, Whitaker House, New Kensington, PA, p. 58)

The eagle in his vision represents the “hidden knowledge that has been saved for this hour.” You can see this prophetic eagle with the secret wisdom on Morningstar Ministries’ logo as well as the logo of many of the ministries associated with the movement.   A number of other leaders have had prophetic visions of eagles and some have named their ministries for these visions.  C. Peter Wagner’s inner circle is called the Eagle’s Vision Apostolic Team.

The ability for those anointed with special gifts “to see what the enemy is doing” is used in spiritual mapping and spiritual warfare.  The World Prayer Center in Colorado Springs was built with the assistance of  Ted Haggard, who at the time led the New Life Church which adjoins the facility.  It is used as the central nerve center for compiling spiritual mapping data.  Lee Grady of Charisma Magazine describes the World Prayer Center as the spiritual version of the Pentagon.  He should know.

Both Lee Grady, editor of Charisma Magazine, and  the publisher, Stephen Strang of Strang Communications, are currently listed as Apostles in Wagner’s International Coalition of Apostles.

The spiritual warfare specialists worked with C. Peter Wagner and George Otis, Jr. to compile testimonies about taking  cities through the expulsion of territorial demons. . (Otis is son of the late George Otis, Sr. who was the former head of the Christian Broadcast Network in the Middle East.)

These testimonies of “transformation” were compiled in a book authored by Wagner and another book by Otis.  Then four of these accounts were used in the Transformations movie produced by the Sentinel Group and featured in the previous article, Palin, Muthee, and the Witch.  Muthee is  known throughout the movement for his role in the first Transformations movie and has  also served on the board of the World Prayer Center International.

Ed Kalnins, Senior Pastor of Wasilla Assembly of God, is a close associate of Muthee and both have traveled across the Atlantic to visit each other’s ministries.  Muthee has spoken at Wasilla numerous times and anointed Sarah Palin before she became Governor of Alaska.  In a previous article in this series are photographs of Kalnins and Muthee displaying some copies of the books by Joyner and  books by John Bevere, whose texts are used in the Wasilla Master’s Commission training on authority.

Ed Kalnins states that Francis Frangipane is his “spiritual father” and, according to Kalnins, his Wasilla church helped launch Frangipane’s ministry by raising funds.  Kalnins recently traveled to both Lakeland to attend the Lakeland Outpouring, a healing revival led by Todd Bentley, and to Morningstar Ministries.  He brought back an anointing to his congregation which was delivered by the laying on of hands during a service on May 25, 2008.  Morningstar Prophecy director Steve Thompson and John and Lisa Bevere have made repeated visits to Wasilla Assembly of God.

Ed Kalnins of Wasilla Assembly of God is actively preaching and teaching theology which comes directly from the leadership of the New Apostolic Reformation/Third Wave. Kalnins has stated in sermons his desire that his church be Apostolic. This is Kingdom theology and Kalnins is quite open and blatant about the need for his church to take control for the Kingdom, starting with Wasilla and Alaska….

Much More, complete article HERE

  • Related: Video/Articles

Clip, Reclaim 7 Mountains of Culture

Clip, 2009 Reclaim 7 Mountains Conference

Clip, Joyner, The Underground

Clip, Morningstar Fellowship revival or paganism? **WARNING: (this is disturbing)

Clip, Apostles – Robert Heidler – Planetary Worship

The Roots and Fruits of the New Apostolic Reformation

Dominionism in America: Kicking the Kingdom into High Gear

God is Downloading New Strategies? (building the [world's] kingdom of God on earth)

Seven Spheres of Influence (*this is an excellent article filled with links which point to the different Dominionist groups)

*Book excerpts from ‘The New Apostolic Churches’ by C. Peter Wagner

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19 comments on “The Subtle Advance of the Apostolic ‘Revolution’ and Joel’s Army

  1. Sarah Palin LEFT this church SIX years ago and has been attending a Bible Church.

  2. This is some “heavy”, creepy stuff. It sounds like these peoples’ attitude is “join us, or die”! It never ceases to amaze me how arrogant and proud these people are about themselves. Do these people even use the Bible to study or do they just use it to henpeck verses and then twist them out of their context to mean something that they want it to mean? If Colonel Sanders, I mean Peter Wagner, thinks that the “traditional church” is the only thing standing in his way, then thank God for that!!! Who would have thought true Christians’ enemies would be other “so-called Christians” claiming to be holier than thou?

  3. Sarah Palin LEFT this church SIX years ago and has been attending a Bible Church

    NLN,

    If you read the first mention [of Palin] it refers to ‘churches’

    Palin’s Churches and the Third Wave

    If my understanding is correct the author was pointing out the NAR teachings [ Joel's Army, dominionism, etc] had a heavy influence in the one she attended for 20 years [where her foundational beliefs were laid] and within the ones she attends now.

    This is some “heavy”, creepy stuff.

    Yes i agree reformed.

    I know there have been more then a few posts here on this topic over the last 6 months, but this one was of interest to me because the author appears to be connecting the dots–or at least beginning to.

    That’s been something i’ve been trying to do. To see how these different groups, which rely heavily on the old latter rain/Joel’s Army (dominionism) beliefs, are going to come together…

    I always thought they ‘might’ but didn’t know how.

    Government [not as much Church, but national] seems to be one thing which may do it.

    If Colonel Sanders, I mean Peter Wagner, thinks that the “traditional church” is the only thing standing in his way, then thank God for that!

    They want the traditional churches [and those who attend] to either align with them (with these false apostles over them, in authority] or to ‘disappear’–literally!

    This is why they are always talking about ‘new wine skins’ etc…In other words its join us or else.

    Who would have thought true Christians’ enemies would be other “so-called Christians” claiming to be holier than thou?

    You know reformed, i actually did.

    Looking back i have to believe it was the Holy Spirit, but i began thinking about where last day persecution was going to come from, long ago.

    I wasn’t ignorant about Christian persecution world-wide, and how it had been going on for 2000 years, but i always sensed that at least a huge portion of the persecution in the days prior to the return of our Lord, was going to come from within the Church.

    If you look back to the time Jesus began his earthly ministry, it was those who sat in the seat of Moses who sought to kill him. The religious “authority” of that time: the Pharisees, etc..They also ‘lorded’ over the people…

    My thought is, we’ll see something similar directly prior to the coming of Christ.

    This NAR and ‘associates’ may end up like the religious leaders 2000 years ago: in cahoots with Government…or even being in alliance with them.

    just a thought…

  4. Hi PJ,
    I addressed the issue of her leaving to go to an evangelical Bible teaching Church because that point seems to get passed over in the articles that are coming out about Palin. The church she has attended for the past six years does not teach the third wave stuff as far as I can ascertain ( this comes from comments on the blogs that have gone to the churches website and reading etc.)
    The Dominionist, MSOG, LR etc. teachings have been very unclear in most churches and I don’t think the average attendee “GETS” what is being taught. The “roots” and facts are really becoming known in a widespread way as events like Lakeland happen. And thank the Lord for you and all the blogs that have posted the truth!
    So the point of all these doctrines being Palin’s foundation may or may not be true. We won’t know what she really understands and believes unless she tells us. I doubt she will do that at this time.
    I just think it is not true or fair of the writers to not emphsize the fact that for some reason SHE LEFT Wasilla AoG six years ago and has attended a evangelical Bible teaching church since that time.

  5. PJ that thought of yours seems to be coming to pass.

  6. Dominion theology and the latter rain heresy is seen when the apostles themselves tried to get Jesus to skip the cross and sit in the tempte and reign as Messiah physically over Israel. They repented and came to see that in this age such a thing will never be. In this age, the kingdom is within. I would advise readers to look at the exchange between Jesus and Peter in the latter half of Matt. 16, and also at the temptation in the wilderness, Matt. 4. From the start, Satan has wanted to promote this very doctrine. Satan wants people who think they can rule with Christ, but who are not ruled by Christ — within. The number one goal is to deny the need for the personal cross and offer everything God has anyways. This is antichrist. But few are going to listen to the Truth on this matter.

  7. Was it J Vernon Mcgee that said a long time ago that he thought the true believers would have to go “underground” due to persecution by their own church….or something along those lines? I think it was him, though I am sure many other men of God have said the same thing…

    I just don’t think we are seeing the whole picture folks. These guys are tied to something bigger somehow. I have a suspicion, but I will keep it to myself for now…

  8. More insight from the New York Times:

    …the Palins moved to the nondenominational Wasilla Bible Church in 2002, in part because its ministry is less “extreme” than Pentecostal churches like the Assemblies of God, which practice speaking in tongues and miraculous healings.

    “A lot of churches are about music and media and having a big profile,” Ms. Morgan said. “We are against that. That is why it is so attractive to politicians because they can just sit there and be safe.”

    “We’ve gotten a lot of their people when the other churches get too extreme,” Ms. Morgan continued. However, she added, “If you lift your hands when we’re singing, we’re not going to shoot you down.”

    Source: New York Times
    In Palin’s Life and Politics, Goal to Follow God’s Will
    By KIRK JOHNSON and KIM SEVERSON
    Published: September 5, 2008

    I can emphasize with Palin – it was about 2002 when I realized where the “prophetic” church I attended was going. And so I left. And anyone who would try to connect me with that church is an idiot.

    Anyhow, I blogged on this topic (trying to connect Palin with dominionism and worse) over on my blog a few days ago. Different approach.

    http://beyondgrace.blogspot.com

    I still agree with the assessment of the NAR/Dominionsit church and where it is going. I suspect the recent smears on Palin are orchestrated by the “astroturfers” over at Daily Kos and the Obama campaign. More on that over at littlegreenfootballs.com, which is probably a better place to get political.

    -Bill

  9. Hmmm, they don’t even realise the irony of their building on seven mountains comment do they!

    Doesn’t Revelation have something to say about that?

    Yep here it is, Revelation 17, especially verse 9. Babylon, the great city opposed to God (depicted as a whore) sits on 7 hills. Now I don’t want to start playing Tim LaHaye/Left Behind style isegesis of Revelation, but it certainly gives food for thought!

  10. PJ,
    You said something about a possibility of them getting into cahoots with the government. That is not an outlandish scenario. Already, in my town(and I suspect in most others,too) the local government is in cahoots, to a certain extent, with the bigger churches. Here, they use the local First Baptist Church and its members for supervised visitations between foster children and their parents. I read about this on the First Baptist website when researching kindergartens for my son and was a bit shocked. I’m sure something like this would be right up these dominionist’s alley, so it would not surprise me if some of these churches were already involved in this in their towns.

    What really shocked me, after reading the above, is how happy and eager they seem to destroy those of us who do not subscribe to their theology.

  11. Wouldn’t it be interesting if what Kit said about true believers going underground due to persecution by their own church comes true? We will have to meet in houses in small groups like they did in Acts. They say history always has a way of repeating itself!!! My only question is if we all go “underground” who’s going to stay “aboveground” to help rescue others to salvation? Could it be that we may just have to count the cost of following Christ and suffer persecution from whomever to maintain our saltiness and light?

  12. Hi NLN and Bill

    You both brought up Palin being mentioned in the article, so i thought i’d just address it together. :-)

    I addressed the issue of her leaving to go to an evangelical Bible teaching Church because that point seems to get passed over in the articles that are coming out about Palin.

    I didn’t really take this article in as a ‘Palin’ expose, but more of the history of the NAR/latter rain/Joel’s Army influence which has infiltrated many churches and full gospel denominations. Palin was included in the article because i think McCain choosing her as a running mate has helped to shine even more light onto the whole dominionist movement and all its off-shoots like Joel’s Army, latter rain, and the NAR. Which is good!

    I have to believe its not been a coincidence that the Lakeland commissioning fiasco of a few months ago, and now a candidate running for VP have been used to bring this movement more into the light; i think its the Lord doing the revealing. I believe God wants us [the Church] to see the dangers behind this growing movement which claims it intends to rule and reign not just over The Church, but to have great influence in national government as well!

    The church she has attended for the past six years does not teach the third wave stuff as far as I can ascertain

    The author [of the article] i believe (i’ve read so many lately) pointed out that though she may have officially stopped attending one church that was deeply involved with the new apostolic reformation and its leaders, she has still returned and spoken on occasion at their meetings. The last time being this past April.

    The Dominionist, MSOG, LR etc. teachings have been very unclear in most churches and I don’t think the average attendee “GETS” what is being taught. The “roots” and facts are really becoming known in a widespread way as events like Lakeland happen.

    Yes i agree. If you’d asked the average Christian what they know about the NAR, [Wagner, Joyner, etc] a few months ago,they’d have told you they knew nothing. To be honest until the last year, i knew next to nothing myself. I had ‘heard’ of the latter rain and/or Joel’s army movements, but didn’t really understand all their teachings. I’m still learning! aha!

    But now, after Lakeland and the articles concerning Palin, i bet there are a lot of Christians who have been digging into the history of these movements! God will use things/events to get our attention, won’t He…

    More insight from the New York Times:

    …the Palins moved to the nondenominational Wasilla Bible Church in 2002, in part because its ministry is less “extreme” than Pentecostal churches like the Assemblies of God, which practice speaking in tongues and miraculous healings.

    I have no problem at all with full gospel or pentecostal churches which teach that the gifts of the Holy Spirit are still available and in operation, within the body of Christ, today.

    In fact Bill, im one who does believe this to be true. I’m a COG pentecostal.

    I still agree with the assessment of the NAR/Dominionsit church and where it is going. I suspect the recent smears on Palin are orchestrated by the “astroturfers” over at Daily Kos and the Obama campaign.

    I’m going to be honest:

    Palin scares me.

    I’m not [politically] a democrat, having voted republican for many many years, but i will not be voting the McCain/Palin ticket this year.

    I have prayed and prayed about this–about ‘why’ i sense this strong check in my spirit over this ticket. And i still cannot totally explain it…

    I do know one reason is because most of the false prophetic ministries and those within the dominionist movements are in support of this ticket, or actually its Palin herself they are in support of–in fact they are ecstatic! Its downright spooky…

    Knowing what i know [and am still learning] about these movements, this causes me great concern.

    As far as smear campaigns against her, you may be right; im sure those who are die-hard democrats have done their share of smearing, but the smearing has went both ways…i’ve seen her and McCain do their own share of smearing [and putting lies out there] about the other candidates. That’s expected, after all, because this is just politics and all 4 are just politicians..

    And that brings me to another reason why this woman has caused me great pause: Its because the average Christian has not been willing to acknowledge that–that all these people are ‘just’ politicians.

    Many believers have attributed to her, the future position, whether they actually say it outloud or not, of a Christian leader, if elected; or as in the case of Lee Grady, comparing her to Deborah of the bible, stating she carries the ‘Deborah anointing’ (Lee himself is a member of the NAR)

    To me, that is frightening.

    There are many reasons as to why this woman gives me great pause: some i understand, others i don’t. The very fact that anytime an article is posted in which her name is even mentioned (regardless of the fact of the topic not really being about her) so many normally sane discerning Christians, appear to focus on only that, quickly jumping to defend her;… I also find that weird and spooky. It hints at something ‘supernatural’ to me, and not in a good way.

    What i do know is i will be obeying God and not supporting or voting the Republican ticket this time.

    I posted many weeks ago that i would not be voting at all–but since then have realized a vote for anyone but the Republican ticket, is a vote against them. So thats what i plan to do.

    Mickey Mouse may get my write-in vote–who knows. :-)

  13. they don’t even realise the irony of their building on seven mountains comment do they!

    Nick, that’s one of the interesting things about their entire ‘7 mountain’ beliefs; you’re right, they don’t seem to have a clue concerning the references to this mountain in Revelation. Isn’t that bizarre?

    Even a casual reader of the bible will usually know something about Revelation mentioning the beast, the whore, Mystery Babylon, or the 7 mountains.

    The only conclusion i can come to is they are spiritually blind as bats!

    What really shocked me, after reading the above, is how happy and eager they seem to destroy those of us who do not subscribe to their theology

    They appear, in their writings, to think that any part of the church which refuses to line up with them, will be destroyed by God Lisa. And yes, they do seem to be gleeful about it. Sick isn’t it?

    My only question is if we all go “underground” who’s going to stay “aboveground” to help rescue others to salvation? Could it be that we may just have to count the cost of following Christ and suffer persecution from whomever to maintain our saltiness and light?

    Amen reformed.

    There have been times down through church history, when believers were forced to meet in secret, but many of them were still jailed or even put to death, because they refused to deny Christ. Its going on today in some parts of the world.

    I don’t doubt we’ll be faced with similar circumstances in the west, if the Lord tarries. Counting the cost is going to be something the last day church is going to be forced into doing…

  14. great article, PJ. have sent to friends in England and have it linked here..

    http://www.scribd.com/doc/6132458/TRANSFORMATIONS-REVIVAL-ANGELS-OF-CHANGE-GEORGE-OTIS-AND-PETER-WAGNER-SPIRITUAL-TRANSFORMATION-SHIFTS-QUALITIVE-CHANGE-

    TRANSFORMATIONS REVIVAL ~ BY GEORGE OTIS AND PETER WAGNER ~SPIRITUAL TRANSFORMATION ~ SHIFTS ~ QUALITIVE CHANGE
    ’ANGEL OF CHANGE”

    http://miraclewebchurch.com/membersite/videos/angel-in-the-whirlwind/index.html

    “. . There is a ministry after the five-fold called the ministry of perfection – the Melchisedek Priesthood . . . your children will be moving into the ministries of Perfection . . . coming into that Divine Nature of Jesus Christ . . . they themselves will be that generation that’s raised up to put death itself underneath their feet . . . because the Lord Jesus is worthy to be lifted up by a church that has reached the full maturity of the GOD-MAN!”
    [Bob Jones, (Kansas City Fellowship) transcribed from 1988 tape]
    COSMIC CONSCIOUSNESS
    The word transformation means a shift, or a qualitative change, a transfer from the original spiritual tenets to a switch over to a new religious belief system.

    pat holliday

  15. Good Morning PJ,

    “The very fact that anytime an article is posted in which her name is even mentioned (regardless of the fact of the topic not really being about her) so many normally sane discerning Christians, appear to focus on only that, quickly jumping to defend her;… I also find that weird and spooky. It hints at something ’supernatural’ to me, and not in a good way. ”

    Thanks for sharing your thoughts and perspective. I have not read everything you have so I cannot comment on why others respond the way they do. For myself the reason I mentioned the point about Palin leaving the NAR espousing church six years ago is because in all I read on the blogs I am sincerely trying to detect truth from error.
    The quote you posted from the article did link Palin and her churches with NAR, so it seemed to me that that was an important part of the entire article you wanted your readers to notice.
    There was no mention that she left those churches six years ago though it appears she goes back at times such as she did for the Master’s Commission ceremony.
    Again, I do not think it fair or true to do this when we really don’t know what she believes about NAR, their teachings and agendas.
    I respect you greatly and really appreciate what you are doing with this blog.

  16. Hi NLN,

    Forgive me for not being more clear, it was late when i responded last night. I didn’t want anyone to think i was referring to this post specifically. Its happened in every post i’ve put up since McCain ‘tapped’ her as his VP. Even when the post was only info about her–which i felt was important, as no one outside of Alaska knew anything about her.

    I still find some people’s knee-jerk reaction to anything said [which they perceive as the least bit negative] concerning her background as very strange. These same folks don’t seem to have any problem looking into the backgrounds of the other 3 candidates: sifting through the many articles, reports, [both good and bad] to find the truth.

    Its not just here at this little blog i’ve seen this, but on many blogs which i read or post at. Frankly, i find it mystifying.

    It kind of reminds me of the way many Christians reacted when bloggers began pointing out the false teachings/beliefs/practices of Todd Bentley, some months ago.

    Enough said…we’ll get back to the topic of the NRA, ahahaha…

    The quote you posted from the article did link Palin and her churches with NAR, so it seemed to me that that was an important part of the entire article you wanted your readers to notice.

    O most definitely! I was hoping people would go to the website and read the entire article. Though palin was used as an example, what is important to see is how the NRA and the subsequent dominionism groups, (with their Seven Mountain Strategy doctrines) are planning to gain control over the Church, National government, media, business, etc…And of the inroads they are making in trying to do so.

    As much as we don’t like to admit it, there has in recent years, been an unholy marriage which took place behind closed doors, between Christianity and government in the US. And these groups are planning to use this to further their own Dominionist agenda.

    from the article..

    these warriors believe they have a mandate to take control of all earthly spheres. They teach that Jesus is waiting for humans to accomplish this task before coming to meet his Bride, the purified and perfected church.

    That is the very core of dominionism.

    Will they succeed in their pursuits to infiltrate and gain control of these spheres? I think we see evidence of ‘something’ or ‘someone’ already working behind the scene’s in a few of these areas already. And they have been for years.

    Will they gain control of the true Church, the last day Church remnant? No. We know from God’s word and promises they won’t. But, many teach of a one world government and religion in the last days–these people who seek to gain deep influence into the many areas of influence they’ve listed, may be the fore-runners of these one world last day entities. If so, they will be those who persecute the True last day Church of Jesus Christ.

  17. Jesus said to peter,’what is it to you? you must follow me’

    Friends ,in the days of distress that are unequaled since the creation of the world, one thing that will always save you and I, is this command “Follow me”

    Jesus brought me out of the abyss 13th august 1989,with these words, Follow me’ and i woke up back in my body,able to speak and sing in tongues, and i have been serving Him since.

    Do not worry about what others are doing..just make sure you are following Him, listening to Him like the Father commanded, practicing all His words with a view to success ,with a humility and heart that the Holy Spirit would entrust His power to you to be a witness of Jesus, such that any blind man,lame ,deaf, leper that walked into your church on any sunday is healed with as little fuss and ceremony as Jesus would have done himself..then you will have no fear for all sorts of conspiracies and theories, but will have the faith to stand and wait on the Lord until he arrives or you are beheaded for your testimony.

    dr,ed,a footstool of Jesus Christ.

  18. Friends ,in the days of distress that are unequaled since the creation of the world, one thing that will always save you and I, is this command “Follow me”

    Amen Edmond!

    Thank you and God bless you brother, for the encouraging words…

    May we all keep our eyes on Jesus.

  19. I wish more people would focus on these writings instead of hashing over and over the evils of both Obama and Palin. Seems like some blog sites have lost sight of warning believers to stay true to the Word of God and have become obsessed with how evil Palin is, as well as Obama. Just give me the Word, and PRAY for God’s mercy on a country and world who have lost sight of His truth. Thank you for the above articles. Blessings

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