Singing Angel?
2008 November 22
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This sounds kind of suspicious to me. As far as I know, people under the influence of God don’t have their eyes roll in the back of their heads (this is on the interview portion of the YouTube video), not on the song…but it supposedly happened during the recording.
This is sad because I have really liked Jason Upton’s music. I am not trying to put God in a box, but I have never seen anything in scripture discussing Angels “singing” except when they proclaimed the Gospel to the shepherds proclaiming Christ’s birth, and before the throne of heaven.
If anyone knows of any instances please let me know.
One more comment….it just sounds like some of the same stuff that the word faith movement is proclaiming…things like seeing angels, and oil, and gold dust, angel’s feathers, and all of that other baloney.
This “may” be true…but I am going to be like doubting Thomas on this one until something convinces me otherwise.
Wow…that’s kinda creepy…. My concern is this, however, aren’t the angels of God continually giving praise and glory to Him? This song seemed to only speak of “flying” – what glory does that bring to God Almighty??? Yeah, obviously, there was some kind of supernatural presence, but I don’t think it was heavenly. This is the second song I’ve heard recently, that Jason Upton talked about having “wings”. I don’t believe that we are going to turn into angels when we are transformed. That’s pretty weird, in my book. Now excuse me while I pray the chills off the back of my spine…sheesh….
Well, if that what angels sound like its a big disappointment! I thought the song was pretty awful, with meaningless lyrics before the ‘angels’ joined in, then it got dramatically worse
One can never discount the sound of angels occasionally joining in with worship, and I would claim to have heard them once myself 20 years ago, but its well nigh impossible to convince anyone else, if they haven’t heard it themselves live at the time. It can so easily be faked by engineering on a CD or video like this. How would one know for sure?
Sorry, no.
PJ-
It seems the singing angel is exalting and bringing attention to itself in my honest opinion so it isn’t of the Lord. Any one else?
What are my thoughts? Um…skeptical ones. What is up with all this angel talk these days? Does someone want to show me some Bible verses I’m not aware of? I admit I am scarred by growing up in a charismatic church so there were all kinds of “experiences” and eventually I realized it was all a bunch of emotionalism that had no lasting effects on anyone. The church was rampant with divorces, disobedient children, etc. so I never saw the true power of Jesus Christ to set people free. But hey – everybody felt like they had a ” spiritual experience” on many Sundays.
worship of angels is idolatry
kelli, on November 22nd, 2008 at 6:22 pm Said:
worship of angels is idolatry
Sure it is, but worship by angels is not. Unfortunately that was not it.
It’s that same ol’ hubbub about God getting people drunk and making them pass out. The same ol hog wash about New Revelation.
I thought he said in the 1st video that they had filmed all of this. So…where is the 12 foot angel and the witnesses to it??? At least bring some witnesses guy. Seeing a 12 foot angel is a pretty big deal, you would think all who saw it would want to be witnesses testifying of the event on a You Tube video right??? Ya know, that’s what I want to know. These stories are rampant…so where is the evidence????? I don’t think a video with back up singing is evidence. Silly. Why was the guy with crazy hair overcome with fear and running to hide? I recall that in the stories of the bible, men fell on their faces in fear and awe and were told 1. not to worship the angel they saw…worship God 2. were told to get up 3. were given very important revelation…not fly into the atmosphere…poppy cock!
They did not however go run and hide and then watch some drunk guy singing on a piano bench with his eyes rolled back who says he feels tingly and dizzy…and passes out…(by the way, love the feminine voice this guy uses to describe the feeling of being drunk in the spirit). Then of course you get this off tuned angel singing back up about flying???? How does that compare to Holy, Holy , Holy, Lord God almighty, who was, and is and is to come???? It doesn’t.
That’s what I think. Another story about angels….blah blah blah.
Yes, agree with you Gordon but we are in the last days and don’t see in the scriptures where angels will be manifesting themselves singing. To me, it is a big deception from satan and his followers anything to get us distracted.
Well,
hmmmmmm, I know that I know that I know that I have spiritual ears. I hear things. I see things. I heard angels singing as I listened to the song.
It is here, found by the Scripture, I will point first before I tell you what I “heard”.
Heb 13:1 Let brotherly love continue.
Heb 13:2 Do not neglect to show hospitality to strangers, for thereby some have entertained angels unawares.
Well, two things, one obvious to some and one, maybe not so obvious?
Let’s look at the Greek shall we?
God is Love and we ought to continue in brotherly love!
Heb 13:1 Let brotherly love continue.
“brotherly love”
φιλαδελφία
philadelphia
fil-ad-el-fee’-ah
From G5361; fraternal affection: – brotherly love (kindness), love of the brethren.
“continue”
μένω
menō
men’-o
A primary verb; to stay (in a given place, state, relation or expectancy): – abide, continue, dwell, endure, be present, remain, stand, tarry (for), X thine own.
Heb 13:2 Do not neglect to show hospitality to strangers, for thereby some have entertained angels unawares.
Now for something that needs a little digging to see, to uncover:::>
“do not neglect”
ἐπιλανθάνομαι
epilanthanomai
ep-ee-lan-than’-om-ahee
Middle voice from G1909 and G2990; to lose out of mind; by implication to neglect: – (be) forget (-ful of).
μή
mē
may
A primary particle of qualified negation (whereas G3756 expresses an absolute denial); (adverbially) not, (conjugationally) lest; also (as interrogitive implying a negative answer [whereas G3756 expects an affirmative one]); whether: – any, but, (that), X forbear, + God forbid, + lack, lest, neither, never, no (X wise in), none, nor, [can-] not, nothing, that not, un [-taken], without. Often used in compounds in substantially the same relations. See also G3362, G3363, G3364, G3372, G3373, G3375, G3378.
“to show hospitality to strangers”
φιλονεξία
philonexia
fil-on-ex-ee’-ah
From G5382; hospitableness: – entertain strangers, hospitality.
“for thereby”
γάρ
gar
gar
A primary particle; properly assigning a reason (used in argument, explanation or intensification; often with other particles): – and, as, because (that), but, even, for indeed, no doubt, seeing, then, therefore, verily, what, why, yet.
διά
dia
dee-ah’
A primary preposition denoting the channel of an act; through (in very wide applications, local, causal or occasional). In composition it retains the same general import: – after, always, among, at, to avoid, because of (that), briefly, by, for (cause) . . . fore, from, in, by occasion of, of, by reason of, for sake, that, thereby, therefore, X though, through (-out), to, wherefore, with (-in). In composition it retains the same general import.
ταύτῃ, ταύτην, ταύτης
tautē tautēn tautēs
tow-’tay, tow’-tane, tow’-tace
Dative, accusative and genitive case respectively of the feminine singular of G3778; (towards or of) this: – her, + hereof, it, that, + thereby, the (same), this (same).
“some”
τίς
tis
tis
An enclitic indefinite pronoun; some or any person or object: – a (kind of), any (man, thing, thing at all), certain (thing), divers, he (every) man, one (X thing), ought, + partly, some (man, -body, -thing, -what), (+ that no-) thing, what (-soever), X wherewith, whom [-soever], whose ([-soever]).
“have entertained”
ξενίζω
xenizō
xen-id’-xo
From G3581; to be a host (passively a guest); by implication be (make, appear) strange: – entertain, lodge, (think it) strange.
“angels”
ἄγγελος
aggelos
ang’-el-os
From ἀγγέλλω aggellō (probably derived from G71; compare G34; to bring tidings); a messenger; especially an “angel”; by implication a pastor: – angel, messenger.
“unawares”
λανθάνω
lanthanō
lan-than’-o
A prolonged form of a primary verb, which is used only as an alternate in certain tenses; to lie hid (literally or figuratively); often used adverbially unwittingly: – be hid, be ignorant of, unawares.
When one takes the time to weigh carefully those words of Scripture above from Hebrews 13 and look carefully at the Greek words being used, they represent, [putting aside all "normal" suspicions, especially in light of all the controversies swirling around in our heads because of ironically enough, the false manifestations of demons and the glitz and glitter that PJ so amplifies hereon this blog], one might want to take another “listen” to hear the other voices singing with Jason.
I did hear spiritual voices.
I wasn’t there, so, knowing love believes all things”, I am to “test all things”, I am to “hold to the good and disgard the evil”, I take the guy’s first hand account of visibly seeing a “midst” up at the ceiling and asking what gives to the janitor and then his reaction, running and hiding under the sound board, I tend to believe he “heard” the voices of angels. It just is not normal to have sudden encounters with angels or demons and not react the way he did by hiding!
I heard the “part” hamonies. One tell tell thing the guy said leads me to believe there was an angelic visitation at the time. He said he looked up and saw a midst coming from the ceiling.
Tell me something, you sceintists in here. Does hot or warm vapor rise up to the ceiling or settle on the ground level in a room? “Hot air rises”. Cold air is heavier and does not.
I am going to share something with you that will sound spooky. It was to me but now I understand why Jesus allowed it to happen. One day I was deep in the Spirit praying in my “closet”, door closed, just me and Jesus, as they say. I was praying for a particular thing I was experiencing. All of a sudden this very warm room turned bone chilling cold. And then a very blackish translucent vapor being appeared about 10′ from me in the room. It was sudden. It was a dark being. What was in a moment of time a frightful experience turning my emotions to overdrive, ended a few moments later and that warm Sweet Presence of Him was again apparent and the room was just a warm as before the sudden appearance of this being. One Presence was there and never left the room and is now always there, everywhere I am. But in a moment of time I entertained a demon being. The chill was instantaneous and it seemed to invade the air and all over my being. My ears chilled!
But doubting Thomas, go back and listen to what this guy observed. He said he saw a “midst” up at the ceiling, which tells me “whoever” that being was, was a warm being, not a cold, bone chilling demon!
Anyway, for me, I was in the Presence of My Savior and He was teaching me back then over 30 years ago that I would encounter demons, principalities and powers as I grew and matured in His Faith and that He would not leave me or forsake me even though He would allow devils to wrestle with me.
So, I guess you can imagine that I have quite a bit different take on the two videos and what comments I have read so far above?
Also, a number of years ago some of us invited a fellow from Australia to come and minister to us. I have since forgotten his name but I don’t forget something he shared. He gave us a high quality cd to listen to confirm what he told us about a time he was visiting a friend at his professional recording studio.
What he shared was something similar to what this guy shared and the voices on the cd we listened too of Jason Upton singing that song.
He said he was asked to step into the studio for a bit as his friend had to take a private phone call in the mixing room outside the sound studio. He plays guitar and he was in the Spirit more deeply than normal so while in the studio he picked up his friend’s guitar and just started worshipping God and all of a sudden a “sense” filled the air and he creatively began composing a “new song” right on the spot. Unbeknowns to both him or his friend, the “recording devices” were on so this experience he was having was recorded as it happened. It was just this one man in a sound stage being moved upon by a presence and this new song came forth.
A month or so later a cd was shipped to him and a note from his friend asking him to listen to it that it was his voice on the cd but something strange was also being heard on the cd, besides the guitar, other “voices” where heard singing too.
Both these guys knew he was the only one in the sound studio singing. I listened to the cd and sure enough I heard something similar to what I just listened to today when Jason was singing.
I believe when you take those verses from Hebrews 13 and weigh carefully what the “Holy Ghost” recorded in writing for us, we should not be overly surprised when some strange happening happens in this sort of situation.
Of the many Greek words I listed there above, I want to draw your attention to one of them and make a final observation in defense of listening to Angels singing with Jason Upton as it was being recorded.
In Hebrews 13 and the phrase in verse 2, “for thereby some have”, the Greek word is “feminine” in nature:::>
ταύτῃ, ταύτην, ταύτης
tautē tautēn tautēs
tow-’tay, tow’-tane, tow’-tace
Dative, accusative and genitive case respectively of the feminine singular of G3778; (towards or of) this: – her, + hereof, it, that, + thereby, the (same), this (same).
Whenever God sends His Angel or Angels to mankind, for whatever reason, they are always sent to the “Church”, the “Bride” of Christ, the “Wife” of the Lamb, too!
Are these guys Christians and a part of the “Church”?
Well, there you go, that’s why I believe I heard angels singing with Jason Upton as recorded on the cd!
It kind of sounds like harmonic overtone singing or throat singing. When someone sings this way they can make the most amazing tones come out from way down in their throat. Also, when you hear this kind of singing it is hard to tell exactly where the sound is emanating from. someone could be singing this way nearby to Jason and it would not necesarily be that obvious because of the way the sound travels and because the tones and sound are so odd. This kind of singing is done in tribes in Tibet, Russia, etc. It is known in new age circles because of it connection with Tibetan, indian, far eastern cultures. I doubt its an angel! you can find examples of this kind of singing online if you type in “throat singing” or “harmonic overtone singing” –RM
Many years ago there was a rock band called Electric Light Orchestra……ELO. They were New Age, very hip, and sentimental….romantic over Spiritual sorrow. This song “FLY” could have been cut number two. No glory to the Lamb that was Slain what so ever; but a vague tribute to unseen knowledge and EXPERIENCE…void of the Cross of Christ and fundamentally mystical. I agree with others also; that I hope Angels sing better than that…..if I heard much at all…..
Upton lives in a cloistered Catholic community with his family, and this is typical fare for him. He sings alot about his experience, elevating pathos above the Word and Biblical , doctrinally pure Worship…That actually honors Jesus and His Sacrifice.
He needs to hire some back up singers anyway….these free-bee angel alto’s aren’t cutting it. He needs some help.
Back when I was way into Charismaticism, I was actually researching this very topic.
From what I found, there are two recorded cases of “angels singing.” One is at the Rodney Howard Browne meeting at Carpenter’s Home Church in 1993, and the second is the song Fly.
I think it’s safe to say there really aren’t widespread occurrences even in Charismaticism, and secondly they probably aren’t God.
I’m supposed to be offline celebrating an early Thanksgiving, but I had to sneak away for a moment and respond to this.
After listening to both Michael Tyrrell’s account and the music video, I feel it is important that we step back and take a serious look at the whole picture.
In part, Tyrrell talks about:
– a “fog” coming out of the ceiling.
– the “fog” becoming so thick he jumped off-stage and got under the sound board.
– a “twelve foot angel” standing behind Jason Upton.
– Jason Upton’s eyes rolled back into his head
– Jason Upton “completely plastered” and “drunk in the spirit.”
– tingling sensation in Jason Upton’s arms and legs.
– receiving e-mails from Heidi Baker’s group.
– Jason Upton speaking “ahh-da dah-ah” (which Tyrrell says is Malawi for “Come to the table”).
The Jason Upton video, “Fly,” may be reviewed on YouTube at
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S17No-DtETA&feature=related . At 4:50 into the video, a voice can be heard in the background, which seems to be saying, “Ahhhhhhhhhee.” At 4:59, the voice seems to say, “Ahhhhhh” (which lasts for about 5 seconds).
Then, at 5:07 into the video, the voice sounds the same as what would come from a Hindu Ashram (compare the voice with the background voices on this YouTube video, “The Om” at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H7ofPdEgsoQ ).
Of course, the use of “Ahhhhhh” in background vocals does not mean it is from demonic sources in every case. Also, this is not to say that the Jason Upton video, “Fly” is embedded with the voice of a demon, or a heavenly angel–as many assume.
However, how does fog, a twelve foot angel, eyes rolling back into the head, plastered and drunk in the spirit, tingling sensations, and claims of an angel singing in the background bring glory to the Lord Jesus Christ?
Furthermore, where can any of these experiences and claims be justified in God’s written word? They can’t.
Where do the claims and experiences originate? The answer is simple: the Charismatic camp, which has produced a hoard of false prophets and hyper-heretics–all of whom have introduced their own special bags of tricks and super-duper stories to the gullible and unwary.
Many years ago, a certain video of a church service was widely circulated, and professing Christians went bonkers trying to obtain it.
After hearing assumptions and rumors about the video, I eventually obtained a copy and, after a careful review, I contacted the producers by phone.
I explained that I saw a man clothed in white with long dark hair and a beard sitting in the congregation. Then I asked, “Who do you think it is?”
The producer said, “Some say it’s Jesus, but we don’t know for sure.” But they continued to sell the video.
While the exact number of videos sold is unknown, and while many truly believed that the man sitting in the congregation was “Jesus,” rumors, assumptions, and the experience took precedence over-and-above God’s word–specifically Matthew 24:23-27, where Jesus, Himself, said,
“Then if anyone says to you, ‘Behold, here is the Christ,’ or ‘There He is,’ do not believe him. For false Christs and false prophets will arise and will show great signs and wonders, so as to mislead, if possible, even the elect. Behold, I have told you in advance. So if they say to you, ‘Behold, He is in the wilderness,’ do not go out, or, ‘Behold, He is in the inner rooms,’ do not believe them. For just as the lightning comes from the east and flashes even to the west, so will the coming of the Son of Man be.”
Truth sacrificed on the altar of assumption, rumors, and the experience.
And when professing Christians focus their attention on signs and wonders, supernatural manifestations, and angels, it IS a form of idolatry. No wonder Jesus said that “An evil and adulterous generation seeks after a sign” (Matthew 16:4).
I wonder how many assumptions and rumors have contributed to the sales of DVDs and videos?
God bless,
Bud Press
My3Sons said pretty much everything I think about this one. I think it may be another gimmick to bring attention to the artist instead of the Lord.
And, to me, that didn’t sound very angelic. It didn’t even sound as nice as Roy Orbison. (Reformed1 will know what I mean by that)
I agree with Heather. This sounds like the kooky people at church who see this sort of thing, darn near every day. And honestly, and this sounds really mean and I do not mean to be so negative, but I was thinking like Gordon. I would have thought Angel’s would sing a whole lot better. I mean after all don’t we use them as an example of the best singing, “Oh, she had a voice like an Angel”. etc.
Very strange, and it kind of creeped me out!
Thanks for all the comments guys…WOW! I was surprised to see so many of you took the time to listen to the videos—God bless you all.
I didn’t know anything about Jason Upton, having never heard of him, so didn’t want to leave anything but the link and a request for your thoughts–i thought perhaps some of you might have heard of him or his music [those of you younger, LOL!]
It was very late when i came across this last night so i didn’t take the time to search out any info on him. I did do a little searching tonight…
I’m kinda big on ‘knowing those who labor among you’….or in this case, knowing something about a person who makes a claim like this one–that Angels [or AN Angel] was singing with him..I asked myself after posting this last night, ‘what would you think pj if someone you know and trust, say David Wilkerson for instance, claimed this very same thing!’ …Would you believe it..believe him? The answer was, yes i most likely would. Only because i ‘know’ him and his beliefs, life, and walk with the Lord–and have for over 28 years…
This guy, i don’t know…Anyway, this is the little bit of info i found on Jason Upton:
I also found his website HERE
I couldn’t find any others which he seems to be associated with– i was looking to see if he traveled or appeared with any of the Kooky Family of false prophets/teachers and apostles we’ve discussed.
So here we at least have some background on him….
more in the next post…
Bud,
You brought up the issues i had–most of them not necessarily the song (the second clip) but the other guy’s (Tyrrell’s) testimony video clip. I’m actually listening to Jason Upton’s music at his website as i type, and can say i like it…but it is that testimony and description of what occurred which bothered me ..
I’m wondering now, after reading his bio if his Native American heritage [and apparently his study of it] plays any part in the manifestation Bud…what do u think?
My3Sons
Yes, i agree. That testimony sure did brother…
Heather,
I noticed it began, or at least when i noticed it, back in the early 80’s…There was a Christian author/singer…can’t recall her name, who wrote a book about Angels. This was after the long prolonged suffering of her child, who finally died to some disease. She use to appear on the 700 Club. She spoke and wrote of how she saw ministering Angels for months prior to her son’s death…in her home, etc…Her and her husband traveled around speaking on this at many churches for years..
As far as the more recent constant ‘Angel sightings’ coming from the Kooks, i think that started during Toronto [maybe Bud remembers if it was before that]
There have always been those, for many years, who have claimed to have seen an Angel [of Angels] —William Branham was one…that was in the 40’s-50’s. Those like him, as far as i know, didn’t encourage others to seek them, but just related their own experience.
The whole thing about seeking to see Angels, or seeking other supernatural experiences [gold dust, etc etc etc] seems to have took off in more recent years?????
Isn’t it a shame [but necessary] that we have to be skeptical of everyone and everything we hear today?
I was thinking about my Mom…
A couple years before she went to be with the Lord, she had a massive heart attack. The doctors, because of her age then [she was 82] didn’t believe she would pull through. Anyway she did, and many months later told me something;
That while she had been in intensive care she saw someone standing up against the wall…and she ‘knew’ it had been an Angel. She began to weep with joy as she related this to me. I asked her what did it look like Mom?
She said she could not describe it… except it was beautiful, and she had no sense of it having a specific gender. She said it stood there looking at her, dressed in “something” which had so many colors, that she could not say ‘what’ color the clothing was! the colors kept changing or ‘moving’…All she could recall in complete detail was the hair, the face…the eyes which watched her serenely and made my mom feel peaceful and not afraid anymore.
Weird huh?
The odd thing was, a few years later when Mom was dying, [we were told it would be 24-48 hours, so stayed by her bedside]…That came back to me–her claim to have saw an Angel. Why?
Because i watched her in that bed–i saw her ‘watching’ someone else in that room that neither i or my sister could see. My Mom’s eyes would follow ’something’ from one side of her bed to the other, like if a person or persons were walking around her bed. She was looking up, like at face level, looking at the persons face…She [my mom] was completely alert, but not to our being there—it was as though she could no longer ’see’ in this world any longer, but was completely aware of the Spirit world. She was all but gone…but her body was still here. [Its hard to explain]
Mom had the sweetest little smile on her face the entire time–her eyes were so big–so alert, like she was seeing an old friend–someone she knew. And this someone was here to escort her into the presence of her Lord and Savior–Jesus. And she knew and was happy!
It freaked my sister out–she is not saved. But i ‘knew’…i knew the same Angel who Mom had seen years before in the IC, was there, waiting for my Mom to let go..
Blessed and “Precious in the sight of the LORD is the death of his saints” Psalm 116: 15
I relate this to you because you didn’t know my Mom, you don’t know that she was one of the MOST logical thinking people i’ve ever known, never in all her life as a Christian did she ever claim any supernatural experiences–and maybe right now you’re thinking im nuts because i believed her and because of what i claim to have witnessed in my Mom’s room just hours before she died…but nevertheless i believe its true.
There is such a fine line we walk folks…a truly narrow path. We have to be good bereans and rely on the word of God and the inner witness of the Holy Spirit, discernment, in judging all things.
We have to automatically assume the worst until we prove something real or false in today’s Christian world of deceivers, fakes, and frauds, and because of the many demonic false signs and wonders flooding the body of Christ…All the while, at the same time, not allowing ourselves to become hardened in our hearts to the ‘real’…or to lose our faith in the possibility of the real! All the counterfeits im afraid, are doing just that. Satan is smart isn’t he…if he can’t get us to fall into the false signs and wonders crowd, he’ll use the false to harden us to the real.
This particular topic, of this song and the 12 foot Angel? I question it because of the physical manifestations it caused upon the singer…
PJ,
I believe you. I am also a very logical and analytical person. But there are too many reports by doctors and hospice workers of very similar experiences that you described, for me to write them all off entirely.
There is a very similar story in my own family. As my great, great grandmother lay dying of cancer, she seemed to be looking at some presense in the room that others could not see. She lifted her arms and cried, “Jesus, sweet Jesus”. Those were her last words, as she died right after saying them. But I cannot think of any better last words to have on one’s lips.
The info I got about Upton and the Catholic community he lives at was on the back of one of his early albums…possibly his first. …and that was several years ago. The name of the community and the brief bio implied it was Catholic…or had Catholic leanings. He may have moved on, and that does not in itself mean anything.
I think he is more what I would call “emergent”…the gospel of the Grunge generation….ear rings, jeans, khaki colors…the Kurt Cobain crowd morphed into Christian Hip. He considers himself a prophet. I have heard him state this.His music tends to sound very similar to this cut….a wailing pathos..attached to whimsical experiences about God that are never defined as Classical worship music does…..IE, the Psalms , which directly honor the Father and through WORDS directly ascribe Glory, Honor and Thanks to the Creator…and as does the hymns of say Charles Wesley and a multitude of holy hymnists.
If you haven’t noticed, there are so few that do these days..it isn’t very popular and not profitable to directly worship Jesus and ascribe the glory due Him….to lift up your voice and with your tongue give Him His due love and honor as the CREATURE….and possibly does not FEEL as romantic as being able to FLY. So what….so does Neil Armstrong , and in the days of my depravity, with a shot of cocaine and a hit of LSD….I was really flying. The minor detail was that I was flying into a real HELL
Peter Pan also could fly…off into never-never land…and that is what Jason’s hymnology reminds me of. I might offer him this advice…”Beware of Captain Hook!”
“The Father SEEKS those who will worship Him in Spirit and in Truth.”
PJ,
Thank you for sharing your story. I nodded in agreement because I had similar experiences when my Dad died. Not of the Angelic nature but he definately for a week before his death saw into a different realm. He had Dementia for years, and suddenly he knew who I was and asked me if his parents were dead. I told him yes, he cried and began to tell me about seeing them. I came home from work one day to find him talking to people who were not there, he asked them about me. I was 38 at the time this happened, and he had not known who I was since I was 24. Anyway I do not doubt what happened to you, because I know this is not something that happens to you on a daily basis. And I agree with you if say someone like Wilkerson said this, it would lend it crediibility.
As for Mr. Upton. I had heard several people at my church talk about him. The same people who supported Todd Bentley, and seem to believe just about anything with little or no discernment. I remembered seeing his name associated with Patricia King. Sure enough, he is part of the kooky conferences and on the Elijah list. Here is one reference from Extreme Prophetic, there are many.
New England Aflame
November 9-10, 2007
West Haven, Connecticut
Patricia King, Dennis Cramer, Jason Upton and others
To register contact: Gateway Christian Fellowship
(203) 934-088; http://www.gateway-fellowship.org
Thank you PJ for sharing this with us all about your Mother. We walk by faith and not by sight.
Some one shared with me some time ago that Jesus actually came to their house and was sharing with the couple of their relationship problems.
But if Christ is indwelling a professing believer why would the Lord manifest Himself to this couple? Just as Bud Press posted:
“Then if anyone says to you, ‘Behold, here is the Christ,’ or ‘There He is,’ do not believe him. For false Christs and false prophets will arise and will show great signs and wonders, so as to mislead, if possible, even the elect. Behold, I have told you in advance. So if they say to you, ‘Behold, He is in the wilderness,’ do not go out, or, ‘Behold, He is in the inner rooms,’ do not believe them. For just as the lightning comes from the east and flashes even to the west, so will the coming of the Son of Man be.”
My Pastor’s son works in a studio and will check out to see if the sound has been dubbed of the Angel singing so as soon as I know, I’ll share it with you all.
I listened to only part of the song. I had to stop it after hearing the “angel” voice a few times. It gave me chills, and a sense of wrong. The song was pointless and had a new age feel about it.
Angles praise Jesus and I heard no praise of Him in this song.
“This particular topic, of this song and the 12 foot Angel? I question it because of the physical manifestations it caused upon the singer…”
PJ, exactly. What you are describing with your mom is so different than this description given by
Jason. When somone uses words like drunk and passed out in the same sentence with angel…well, you know.
The story of your mom gives me hope…the story of Jason makes me ill.
Well, PJ, at least I am relieved somewhat seeing I am the odd one out unless Gordon’s thoughts seemed to affirm the fact that angels do show up from time to time to us true believers?:::>
Heb 1:13 And to which of the angels has he ever said, “Sit at my right hand until I make your enemies a footstool for your feet”?
Heb 1:14 Are they not all ministering spirits sent out to serve for the sake of those who are to inherit salvation?
Two things, one, I am native american, a California Indian and my people are known for “spiritism” so I have been “sauced” you might say from birth by spirits. Most of my childhood was demonic, demonic, demonic nightmares and frights you would not believe. So I am happy to know Jason is two things, one, Native American and two, adopted! That will humiliate you deep inside so it is no surprise to now read that about his humility. That speaks volumns to me.
And two, your testimony of your mother PJ. Here’s my story. My Grandmother, who died in my home when she was 99 told me this story of an occurence of my Grandfather just twenty four hours before he passed on to Glory.
She had him in a hospital because he had a stroke and things didn’t seem to go so well. She visited him everyday about the same time each day. She timed herself so that the nurses and orderlies would not be bothering her with him. They liked to be alone together and talk, talk, talk. Such is life when you grow old together and the fires of the flesh have no simmering coals!
Anyway, as she tells the story, she is about 3 or 4 feet from the door, which was open, walking towards the room and just about to go into the room to visit him. She heard a “conversation” going on between him and a person. So she stops at the doorway waiting for whoever it was to come out before she went in to close the door for their time together. She said she heard someone say clearly, “it’s not time yet”. Then my Grandfather speaks something about why? Then she heard something to the effect of “I will go now and come back after I make everything ready”. Then there is silence. She stands there waiting for whoever it is inside the room to leave so she can go in. She stands there a bit longer and no one comes out of the room.
She then goes in and looks around and there is no one in the room but my Grandfather with a most delightful shiney look on his face.
She was taken aback by this and asked him who he was talking to. He never answered her, just smiled and gripped her hand and squeezed it.
The next day he was out of this world! Yeah!
I also would say PJ, I appreciate the tenor of your ending remarks and we should all do our best “not” to be caught up with all this hype going on lest we forget to not entertain strangers or realize that the Angels exist as do the demons.
Angels as we read there in Hebrews 1 are “sent” to the “heirs” of Salvation.
Heb 1:14 Are they not all ministering spirits sent out to serve for the sake of those who are to inherit salvation?
See the word “spirits” there in verse 14?
It is this word and it distinguishes from one’s soul/pusche, one’s body/soma or one’s flesh/sarx:::>
πνεῦμα
pneuma
pnyoo’-mah
From G4154; a current of air, that is, breath (blast) or a breeze; by analogy or figuratively a spirit, that is, (human) the rational soul, (by implication) vital principle, mental disposition, etc., or (superhuman) an angel, daemon, or (divine) God, Christ’s spirit, the Holy spirit: – ghost, life, spirit (-ual, -ually), mind. Compare G5590.
Now for Bud’s comments above. While I agree with most of what I read, there is an exception to one part.
Bud wrote:::> “….Furthermore, where can any of these experiences and claims be justified in God’s written word? They can’t….”
Bud, remember a couple of things. One, John was on an Island called Patmos and in the “Spirit” on the Lord’s day when “revelation” came to him by an Angel sent and then he unfolded by writing what we read and know to be the “revelation” God gave Jesus to give to His servants, the “prophets and apostles”. How did Jesus do that?
“He made it known by sending his angel to his servant John, who bore witness to the word of God and to the testimony of Jesus Christ, even to all that he saw.”
I just want to note a couple of the words in Greek in those two verses:::> “[made it known/signified] by [sending/sent]”
“sent”
ἀποστέλλω
apostellō
ap-os-tel’-lo
From G575 and G4724; set apart, that is, (by implication) to send out (properly on a mission) literally or figuratively: – put in, send (away, forth, out), set [at liberty].
“signified”
σημαίνω
sēmainō
say-mah’ee-no
From σῆμα sēma (a mark; of uncertain derivation); to indicate: – signify.
Angels are always sent on “missions”. We do not know for what purpose that “angel” was “sent” to that university room spoken about in the Tyrell video or why it was there singing with Jason. Albeit, one would have to have an open mind on this in order to follow along with this logic.
Now consider a couple of verses here in Revelation 5:
Rev 5:6 And between the throne and the four living creatures and among the elders I saw a Lamb standing, as though it had been slain, with seven horns and with seven eyes, which are the seven spirits of God sent out into all the earth.
and
Rev 5:9 And they sang a new song, saying, “Worthy are you to take the scroll and to open its seals, for you were slain, and by your blood you ransomed people for God from every tribe and language and people and nation,
Rev 5:10 and you have made them a kingdom and priests to our God, and they shall reign on the earth.”
And these as well:
Rev 7:9 After this I looked, and behold, a great multitude that no one could number, from every nation, from all tribes and peoples and languages, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, clothed in white robes, with palm branches in their hands,
Rev 7:10 and crying out with a loud voice, “Salvation belongs to our God who sits on the throne, and to the Lamb!”
Rev 7:11 And all the angels were standing around the throne and around the elders and the four living creatures, and they fell on their faces before the throne and worshiped God,
Rev 7:12 saying, “Amen! Blessing and glory and wisdom and thanksgiving and honor and power and might be to our God forever and ever! Amen.”
I would point you to two things here.
One, “what are the angels doing” and two, “what are those people doing, presumably us as well?”
I would say with Hebrews 1:14 in mind that this is a “job well done by the angels sent on particular missions to people living on the earth from every nation, from all tribes and peoples and languages” so much so that these people are all declaring: “”Salvation belongs to our God who sits on the throne, and to the Lamb!”"
And finally, this is for all of us to consider. There is a portion of this book of the Revelation which is similar to an instruction given to Daniel. This instruction is given to John::::>
Rev 10:1 Then I saw another mighty angel coming down from heaven, wrapped in a cloud, with a rainbow over his head, and his face was like the sun, and his legs like pillars of fire.
Rev 10:2 He had a little scroll open in his hand. And he set his right foot on the sea, and his left foot on the land,
Rev 10:3 and called out with a loud voice, like a lion roaring. When he called out, the seven thunders sounded.
Rev 10:4 And when the seven thunders had sounded, I was about to write, but I heard a voice from heaven saying, “Seal up what the seven thunders have said, and do not write it down.”
Rev 10:5 And the angel whom I saw standing on the sea and on the land raised his right hand to heaven
Rev 10:6 and swore by him who lives forever and ever, who created heaven and what is in it, the earth and what is in it, and the sea and what is in it, that there would be no more delay,
Rev 10:7 but that in the days of the trumpet call to be sounded by the seventh angel, the mystery of God would be fulfilled, just as he announced to his servants the prophets.
I don’t want to come across to spooky but isn’t it possible that what Jason experienced there has something to do with this?
Rev 10:4 And when the seven thunders had sounded, I was about to write, but I heard a voice from heaven saying, “Seal up what the seven thunders have said, and do not write it down.”
I know the experiences I have had both demonic and angelic. I am not so willing to discuss these things even with the most mature. But something different happens in here with PJ and her blog which to me seems to point to the sign of the times.
The internet is brand new, like almost non existant in view of “eternity”. Things seem to be happening at break neck speeds now a days.
Why, several years ago I was in a restuarant eating and listening to a woman who was 107 years old. But for some hearing loss, this woman was amazing because of the prima facia knowledge she could account for spanning 107 years. This was back in the 90’s so you can imagine what things she saw and experienced over her life time in America.
Oh well, I don’t want to beat this to death, just that with respect for everyone commenting in here I happen to have heard and come to accept something a bit different than the majority of you.
To God be the Glory and to Christ I assign because of a revelation by an Angel to a man on a prison Island this:::>
Rev 1:4 John to the seven churches that are in Asia: Grace to you and peace from him who is and who was and who is to come, and from the seven spirits who are before his throne,
Rev 1:5 and from Jesus Christ the faithful witness, the firstborn of the dead, and the ruler of kings on earth. To him who loves us and has freed us from our sins by his blood
Rev 1:6 and made us a kingdom, priests to his God and Father, to him be glory and dominion forever and ever. Amen.
Rev 1:7 Behold, he is coming with the clouds, and every eye will see him, even those who pierced him, and all tribes of the earth will wail on account of him. Even so. Amen.
I like what some of the previous commenters said: that the angels sing praises to God with Holy Holy Holy, not by singing a song about flying. Those trying to stand up and justify this recording should realize that all we have is an audio recording and somebody’s word. We have not seen a video, We have not heard from unbiased and credible witnesses, either. We simply have too little evidence to go by…and that evidence we are given is pitiful at best and full of holes. Plus, it is not supported by scripture.
Michael, I believe you the scripture you used was taken out of context and cannot be used as evidence. The verse is from Hebrews, 13:2. The chapter begins by saying: “1Let(A) brotherly love continue. 2(B) Do not neglect to show hospitality to strangers, for thereby(C) some have entertained angels unawares. 3(D) Remember those who are in prison, as though in prison with them, and those who are mistreated, since you also are in the body. 4(E) Let marriage be held in honor among all, and let the marriage bed be undefiled, for God will judge(F) the sexually immoral and adulterous. 5Keep your life(G) free from love of money, and(H) be content with what you have, for he has said,(I) “I will never leave you nor forsake you.”
Here are earnest exhortations to several Christian duties, especially contentment. The opposite sin from this grace and duty is covetousness, an over-eager desire for the wealth of this world, with envy of those who have more than ourselves. Having treasures in heaven, we may be content with mean things here.
The verses are telling believers to continue to sacrifice for others. The above are all forms self-sacrifices The “entertaining angles” phrase puts me in mind of the sheeps and goats scene in Matthew 25. “37Then the righteous will answer him, saying, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you drink? 38And when did we see you a stranger and welcome you, or naked and clothe you? 39And when did we see you sick or in prison and visit you?’ 40And(BC) the King will answer them,(BD) ‘Truly, I say to you, as you did it to one of the least of these(BE) my brothers,[f] you did it to me.’”
In the case of both scriptures (which are referenced to each other in most reference Bibles) good works done for God’s sake, through Jesus Christ, mark the character of believers made holy by the Spirit of Christ, and as the effects of grace bestowed on those who do them. We may choose our way, and as we choose, so shall our end be.
So, in context, Hebrews 13:2 cannot be given as proof that the Upton is being accompanied by an angel singing.
Hello all,
I have gotten to the point where I want to try everything by scripture.
However, to be totally honest with you I have liked Jason Upton. I mean I have REALLY liked him. I have one of his albums, and to me it is one of the best Christian albums I have ever heard.
The album is called “Open Up the Earth” He speaks about things like the church being “one like you are” referring to the Trinity. He has one song speaking about us being the “apple of our father’s eye.” One song he has I like has lyrics where he sings, “Let the fire fall, let the wind blow, let your glory come down”. He speaks of Jesus coming to “show us a better way.” Most of his songs appear to speak to how great God is, and how much he loves us his children.
If you want to hear lyrics from the song, you can go here to hear samples.
http://jasonupton.net/store/index.php/jason-upton-cds/open-up-the-earth-2cd-1dvd-set.html
In particular…listen to the song “In the Silence” during the song he speaks of “your deep calling out to my deep” and I just read recently the psalm for the first time that has that line.
He even sings lines like “True religion is this, care for the widow and the orphan…” When is the last time you heard something like this on a commercial Christian album?
I haven’t heard the whole song “Fly” but I know he tends to be extemperaneous and “flow with the spirit” so this may have actually been near the end of a song. His songs are usually quite long, and it isn’t uncommon for a single track to be 15-20 minutes long.
I have been to his website and from what I have seen there (It has been awhile however) I never seen anything weird there. I also liked how humble he is. As we all know, so many of these Christian teachers, musicians, etc. are in it for the money. You have to pay many of them thousands of dollars for them just to come to your church.
Previously when I visited his website to book him all you had to do was just pay for his hotel room, and cover his expenses. As far as I know he wasn’t paid to perform. (I was unable to find this on the current website, so I don’t really know what he does now. He now has a form you have to fill out before he sends his ministry agreement. I don’t know what is on this agreement now.
Like I said earlier, he rarely has short pithy songs that can be played on the radio. I actually heard that when he was on TBN h said some things that didn’t quite fit his tehology so he hasn’t been asked back. He was very non-commercial and he appears to shun anything that will give him personal gloryy. I remember some people who went to one of his concerts and he nver even looked at the audience (don’t even think he was facing them).
That is why I am a little shocked by this angel thing. To be honest…I can’t say it didn’t happen…but I can’t find anything from scripture to back this up (especially the eye rolling, that just sounds satanic).
In the past I have accepted things that were wrong just because someone I liked and respected presented it to me. I have learned that you can’t do this and you have to test everything by scripture. I am inspired by the stories of family members possibly being visited by Angels and I have heard similar stories.
However, I am at the point now where I here something like this and my antennae go up. I don’t care who it is coming from….I want to be a Berean for the rest of my life now.
I guess you can tell by how I went on and even went so far as to give you the link to the album that I still think it is a good album.
I am not even going to say that I won’t buy another of his albums, I am just saying that I am suspicious of this.
I also know that just because someon starts off sound it does not mean that they stay sound…