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Murderous quotes and a seared conscience


There have always been madmen, nuts and psycho’s in the world. The difference between the past and today is people today accept their insane public comments, with little shock or public resistance against them. Even, as in the 2 cases below, when the topic is murder.  In Paul’s first letter to Timothy he warns in the latter times of many “whose consciences have been seared as with a hot iron”.

May God help us all to keep a tender conscience and may the Church never cease to be shocked and appalled by sin and evil.

Fr. Frank Pavone comment today, concerning Scott Roeder:

Anti-abortion activist, Joe Provone said that Roeder, and others, were worthy of admiration, gratitude and respect.

“Not everyone possesses their courage or ability as we are all endowed by our God with different gifts and talents,” (source,  Scott Roeder: I killed Tiller and I’d do it again)

Rabbi says Jews can kill Gentiles who threaten Israel

Rabbi Yitzhak Shapiro, wrote in his book “The King’s Torah” that even babies and children can be killed if they pose a threat to the nation.

Shapiro based the majority of his teachings on passages quoted from the Bible, to which he adds his opinions and beliefs.

“It is permissable to kill the Righteous among Nations even if they are not responsible for the threatening situation,” he wrote, adding: “If we kill a Gentile who has sinned or has violated one of the seven commandments – because we care about the commandments – there is nothing wrong with the murder.”

Several prominent rabbis…have recommended the book to their students and followers. (source, West Bank rabbi: Jews can kill Gentiles who threaten Israel )

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5 comments on “Murderous quotes and a seared conscience

  1. I was reading a speech by Hitler and these comments reminded me of it. It is very easy to justify mass murder; the trick is all in the delivery of the justification. You can paint an entire people as evil by dehumanizing them and painting upon them great evils.

    From the Hitler Speech: “The Jew has not grown poorer: he gradually gets bloated, and, if you don’t believe me, I would ask you to go to one of our health-resorts; there you will find two sorts of visitors: the German who goes there, perhaps for the first time for a long while, to breathe a little fresh air and to recover his health, and the Jew who goes there to lose his fat. And if you go out to our mountains, whom do you find there in fine brand-new yellow boots with splendid rucksacks in which there is generally nothing that would really be of any use? And why are they there? They go up to the hotel, usually no further than the train can take them: where the train stops, they stop too. And then they sit about somewhere within a mile from the hotel, like blow-flies round a corpse.”

    http://history.hanover.edu/courses/excerpts/111hit1.html

    He doesn’t directly say they all need to be killed, but suddenly it is “not so bad” if they are killed.

    ———————-

    Keep in mind one thing, that Rabbi is not representative of Israel in any way. Israel has a very diverse population as well as a political system. The majority of the people there are not very different from Europeans or Americans. In fact, many of them came from Europe. I would becareful focusing on such statements as it feeds into a sort of “blood libel” against them. “See here the Jews like killing people!”
    The fact is, you hear worse things from the Palestinian Leaders on a daily basis. In their mosques and schools, on telivision and radio.

  2. Okay. I’m confused. What God does this Rabbi worship that would condone murder? My Bible has ten commandments, not seven, and one of the ten is “Thou shalt not murder.”.

    Someone please enlighten me as to how a baby can threaten a nation.

    How can he call someone Righteous on the one hand and decide that person is worthy of death on the other simply because he “says” he cares about the commandments and perhaps a commandment has been violated?

    His thoughts (AND BOOK!) are scary. He’s been listening to the prince of this world, I’m thinking. If anyone shows how badly he needs a savior, it is this Rabbi. We should pray that his mind be released and that he come to Christ.

  3. You all should read the 100 or so comments left under the article at Haaretz concerning this Rabi.

    One person pointed out my thoughts and why i posted both stories, perfectly:

    (Its) Shocking when extremism becomes mainstream

    And that is what we’re seeing today–dangerous extremist remarks are becoming the norm. And not only here in America.

    There are those who are spreading it–here and elsewhere as we see by the last sentence in the Rabi story:

    Several prominent rabbis…have recommended the book to their students and followers.

    Fr. Frank Pavone’s glorifying murder and murderers, and having the audacity to call the ability to murder a “gift or talent from God” would at one time shocked people, especially Christians; today, it produces nothing but a yawn, even from most Christians.

    In fact im sure there is a minority of Christians today, who would agree with the “good Father”..

  4. Israeli Rabbi’s Guide to Killing Causes Firestorm

    An Israeli Rabbi living in a Jewish settlement in the West Bank has caused a firestorm in both Israeli and Palestinian media with a new book outlining a series of Jewish theological arguments for killing those who threaten Israel or demand Israeli land.

    The 230-page book, “The King’s Torah” was released over the weekend by Rabbi Yitzhak Shapira and gives theological backing to Jews killing those perceived to be violating Jewish commandments or threatening the Jewish nation. A theological treatise based on Rabbi Shapira’s interpretation of passages from the Jewish bible, “The King’s Torah” is an extensive guide to when it is permissible for Jews to kill non-Jews.

    Rabbi Shapiro’s book argues that Jewish law allows the killing of “non-Jews who demand the land for themselves”, those from a nation which “helps a murderer of Jews,” those spreading “hostile blasphemy” and “those who, by speech, weaken our sovereignty.”

    “Any case in which the life of the civilian endangers Israel,” the book states, “it is allowed to kill a gentile.”

    “The permit also applies when the persecutor is threatening to kill indirectly rather than directly,” Rabbi Shapiro’s book reads. “If the civilian is aiding fighters it is permissible to kill… Any citizen who supports the war or the fighters or expresses satisfaction with their deeds – the killing is permitted.”

    Rabbi Shapira’s book argues that revenge is a necessity under Jewish law.

    “To defeat the wicked one should be vengeful, tit for tat,” the book reads. “Revenge is a necessity… and sometimes doing savage things intended to create a true balance of terror.”

    The book further states that Jews are permitted to kill children “If it is clear they will grow up to harm us.”

    “If hurting an evil leader’s children will pressure him to stop acting maliciously,” Rabbi Shapira wrote, “you can hurt them.”

    The book discusses the laws regarding such killings in theological terms, never specifically mentioning Palestinians, Arabs or Israeli soldiers sent to remove Jewish settlements.

    Its release comes weeks after the arrest of Yaakov Teitel, a Jewish Israeli settler of American origin who is understood to have admitted to killing Palestinians and attacking progressive and messianic Jews.

    Rabbi Shapira is head of the Od Yosef Chai Yeshiva, a religious school for Jewish boys based in the Yitzhar Jewish settlement a few miles southwest of the Palestinian city of Nablus. Rabbi Shapira’s followers adhere to a radical form of Jewish religious nationalism and call for a Torah-based theocracy to replace the State of Israel, which they see as having abandoned core Jewish principals.

    The school is best known for its former leader, American-born Rabbi Yitzhak Ginzburg, seen as the spiritual heir to the late Rabbi Meir Kahane, the American-Israeli founder of the extreme-right political party Kach, classified by both Israel and the U.S. as a terrorist organization. Rabbi Ginzburg was imprisoned for an article praising Baruch Goldstein, an American-born Israeli physician who killed dozens of Muslim worshipers in Hebron and injured 150 others in 1994.

    Both Rabbi Ginzburg and Rabbi Ya’akov Yosef, another prominent leader of the radical Jewish religious nationalist movement, have recommended Rabbi Shapira’s new book, which was first released over the weekend at a Jerusalem memorial for Rabbi Kahane.

    Rabbi Hank Skirball, the chairperson of Hiddush, an Israeli organization dedicated to religious freedom and equality, said Rabbi Shapira’s book represented only the far right fringe of religious Jews.

    “It’s a perversion of Jewish law and I don’t think it’s taken seriously by most,” he told The Media Line. “It’s giving people tremendous latitude to kill people they disagree with and opens itself up to violation of much more important prohibitions in Jewish law.”

    “In Israel we did not kill the murderer of Prime Minister Yitshak Rabin and we didn’t kill any of the people who created sedition at the time,” he said. “We have freedom of speech and its very difficult to know what is dangerous and what is not. Jewish law does not provide for us to go out and kill someone for what he’s saying. You are only allowed to kill someone if it is very obvious that he’s about to kill you and you have no other way to save your life other than by killing him.”

    Rabbi David Hartman, founder of the Shalom Hartman Institute in Jerusalem and a philosopher of contemporary Judaism, said that the rabbis of the Od Yosef Chai Yeshiva were not taking into account the consequences of their teachings.

    “Has the Jewish tradition ever created a distinction based on race, gender, etc? Of course, there is no doubt that there are serious Jewish sources that do not look at the non-Jew with full equality,” he told The Media Line. “But they have lots of sources they could use, and which sources you choose to read and don’t read is important.”

    “One of the interesting things about Jewish law is that perception is a part of the criteria,” Rabbi Hartman said. “Jewish theologians aren’t pure academics nor are they spokesmen, so they are not writing in a vacuum. The most serious Jewish theological figures are very careful about the implications or consequences of their writings.”

    Rabbi Hartman argued that while such books touched a cultural chord, they were mostly ignored in the mainstream Jewish theological community.

    “I make a distinction between a cultural fringe and what is fringe in terms of Jewish theological thought,” he told The Media Line. “On the one hand, this is not fringe, and you have mainstream kids talking this talk. But in terms of Jewish law, there is no significant Jewish theological movement to permit the blood of non-Jews. If you’re looking at the major thinkers, nobody is talking with that language, whether they are ultra-orthodox, Sephardic or Ashkenazi, and these kinds of things are ignored.”

    “The problem is that if you ignore something it doesn’t mean it doesn’t have any influence over students,” Rabbi Hartman said. “Beware of that which you ignore, what is a cultural phenomenon today may become acceptable to major Jewish thinkers tomorrow.”

    “For example, when it comes to Israel, our return to power and the desire to strengthen the claim to the land has created a push for a new Jewish theological creativity and a cultural phenomenon in which certain Jewish theological positions are given more significance than what the major Jewish theological authorities would allow.”

    “Forty years ago there were no major Jewish theological figures who said the land of Israel was more significant than Pikuach Nefesh, the concept of the saving of a life,” he said, in reference to Jewish theological debates over exchanging land captured by Israel for peace. “Today in the religious Zionist community there are major theological figures for whom this is now a self evident truth.”

    http://www.themedialine.org/news/news_detail.asp?NewsID=27051

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