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Christians & Conspiracy Theories: A Call to Repentance (2)


Conspiracy Theory versus Revelation

The theory of communism was built on a faulty premise and, thus, was doomed to not work in practice. Christians who believe in the Bible should be able to quickly apprehend that Conspiracy Theory is faulty at its core. Thus we should not be surprised at its failure in practice.

Somebody Forgot To Check Their Scriptures...

Fundamental to Conspiracy Theory is a basic view of the world. This view is defined by its adherents as the “Conspiratorial View” of history. This explanation of the course of history is pitted against the “Linear View” of history (or somesuch). These, we are told, are the only options! (This smacks of Marx’s false dichotomy that only two classes existed.)

But it is just not true.

Dare we mention it, at least one other possible explanation of why things happen is the “Biblical View.”

Amos 3:7Surely the Sovereign Lord does nothing without revealing his plan to his servants the prophets.

And Scripture never mentions anything anywhere even approaching the scope of Conspiracy Theory.

In general, The Bible neither denies real human conspiracies nor suggests that they are a major factor in history. Scripture puts conspiracies where they belong: as an occasional and hard to maintain sideshow.

2 Samuel 15:12- … And so the conspiracy gained strength, and Absalom’s following kept on increasing.

Acts 23:21The next morning the Jews formed a conspiracy and bound themselves with an oath not to eat or drink until they had killed Paul.

But never in the Bible are we encouraged to imagine that conspiracy is the grand explanation of history or the overarching issue of causality in human affairs. In fact, just the opposite is commanded.

Isaiah 8:12-13 “Do not call conspiracy everything that these people call conspiracy; do not fear what they fear, and do not dread it. The Lord Almighty is the one you are to regard as holy, he is the one you are to fear, he is the one you are to dread.”

The lesson seems to be that there are certain times that the temptation to blame what is happening on conspiracy or evil alliances should be distinctly avoided, by direct command of the Lord.

Beyond skewering the fundamental thesis of the “Conspiratorial View” (unless we are willing to accuse God of “missing it”), Scripture makes it plain that if we are near the “end of the age,” which Christian Conspiracy Theorists generally assert, it is then in particular that we are clearly admonished NOT to be deceived into thinking that conspiracy is behind it.

Anyone familiar with prophetic Scripture knows that God is very keen on letting us know that He is behind the events surrounding the first and second coming of Christ.

Psalms 2:1-2Why do the heathen rage, and the people imagine a vain thing? The kings of the earth set themselves, and the rulers take counsel together, against the Lord, and against his anointed….

Why indeed? Some answer this according to “the Gospel of Conspiracy Theory”: that this is due to a human conspiracy. Some claim “ministries” spreading this distracting paranoia. But God, while lambasting many a real conspiracy throughout history, says it is not so.

The following is representative of dozens of end-times passages:

Psalms 33:10 - The Lord foils the plans of the nations; he thwarts the purposes of the peoples.

Is it not amazing that Scripture completely misses what Conspiracy Theory made popular? Boy did God blow this one! If He only knew what was “really going on.” If He were only more “informed!”

So it is God versus the conspiracy buffs. Tough one, eh?

Who ya gonna believe nowadays?

Isaiah 8:12 - “Do not call conspiracy everything that these people call conspiracy; do not fear what they fear, and do not dread it.”

Conspiracy” in the Heavenlies?

The only grand “conspiracy” spoken of in Scripture is a SPIRITUAL one led by Satan. And it is no secret: it has been REVEALED to those with ears to hear. Thus, it is no “conspiracy” to Christians, but an open war against the gospel of Christ and His life in the kingdom of God on this earth.

Our Lord Jesus has defeated the enemy of our souls at the cross. While we have yet to see the fullness of this victory play out in time, we will. The ultimate defeat of Satan is as sure as the Word of God. For our enemy’s time is short.

Are we showing discernment and good judgment by recognizing who the real enemy is and where we are being attacked spiritually? What is history really about, and what battle is really going on in God’s world? Is eternal judgment real? What, then, should our approach and overarching strategy to life be? How, then, should we live? If we are members of the “Kingdom of God”, just what should we be focusing on? Are we looking up, or down–and getting that all wrong? How would Jesus rate our sense of apprehending the reality of things? Are we wiser then He? Wiser than all of the holy prophets of old?

This section may be the most difficult for Conspiratist oriented Christians to accept, but may well be the explanation to the perverted attraction of Conspiracy Theories in the church, and why we think we need them.

Where this gets nasty is where it becomes more than just a temporary meditation to relieve our consciences, and gets blown into a full-tilt philosophy. And this is what Conspiracy Theory is. “They” are pulling back-room strings with an unseen hand that makes it futile to even try. Why, we might even play into “their” hands, “they” are so clever. The only thing to do is to hunker down and protect our friends and family against the inevitable siege, or by laying so low that nobody takes notice of us, retreating further from being salt and light. None of the options coming from this fatalistic view are very good, frankly, and when the results in our society get inevitably worse, we go right back to blaming “them” instead of ourselves. And so it goes.

James 4:17Anyone, then, who knows the good he ought to do and doesn’t do it, sins.

Spiritual Wimps

Our spiritual enemy is winning a terrific battle against us if he can short circuit our zeal and eliminate our influence via the fatalism of Conspiracy Theories. Rather that being salt and light in spreading the Gospel of peace, we hide our lamps under a table so that “they” will not notice us.

The utility of Conspiracy Theory thus comes into focus. It shifts blame. It is a sophisticated excuse machine. This is how Hitler used it; this is how Nero used it; this is how we are using it. Has there even been a Conspiracy Theory concocted short of this purpose?

What could be a more obvious ploy by our spiritual enemy to thwart the life of Christ in us?

The tragic thing is that this attack comes not from without, but principally from within the church. And our itching ears and guilty consciences cannot seem to get enough of it.

Have we fallen so far from being “conquerors in Christ” that we need a systematic philosophy of paranoia? Is the life of Christ in us content to lay curled in fetal position in the corner reading another Conspiracy Theory book? Are we content to be losers quaking in the fear of men–in direct disobedience to our Lord?

Slandering Our Enemies
Leviticus 19:16 (NIV) “Do not go about spreading slander among your people. Do not do anything that endangers your neighbor’s life. I am the Lord.”

Exodus 23:1 (NIV) “Do not spread false reports. Do not help a wicked man by being a malicious witness.”

Instead of realizing the pragmatic, even convicting reasons why we have failed in so many ways to effect our culture, we accuse our enemies of cheating via conspiracy. The motive for this was discussed previously.

Fruit Inspection

Proverbs 18:8The words of a gossip are like choice morsels; they go down to a man’s inmost parts.

The Scripture describes a “gossip” as one who connives and dreams up a “twist” that is compelling and winsome. There is a perverted sweetness to this deception that is the principal lure of committing this sin. “Yeah, THAT is it! So and so is doing such and such.”

The more divorced from the truth this is, the more outlandish the slander, the better…

Matthew 15:19“For out of the heart come evil thoughts… false testimony, slander. These are what make a man ‘unclean’….”

Proverbs 18:8The words of a talebearer are like tasty trifles….

Like all sin, slander and gossip can be fun in the moment. But like all sin, there is a price to be paid later. The price here is in defamation of character to the real-life people and organizations, and in self-delusion and inability to discern the truth for those who continue in it.

1 Peter 2:1Therefore, rid yourselves of all malice and all deceit, hypocrisy, envy, and slander of every kind.

Ephesians 4:31Get rid of all bitterness, rage and anger, brawling and slander, along with every form of malice.

We are told in some detail by God how to think and deal with rulers and government in Scripture. And consider that these Scriptures were written during a time when leaders and government were much worse than now.

Titus 3:1-2 - Remind the people to be subject to rulers and authorities, to be obedient, to be ready to do whatever is good, to SLANDER no one, to be peaceable and considerate, and to show true humility towards all men.

Do the wild accusations and projected phobias and fears of Conspiracy Theories pass this test? You be the judge.

The bottom line is that “Christian” Conspiracy Theories make about as much sense as “Christian Racism.”

Both are forbidden in Scripture.

1 Peter 2:17Show proper respect to everyone: Love the brotherhood of believers, fear God, honour the king.

Making Idols of Mere Men

Conspiracy Theory practitioners are miles away from “honoring the king,” or showing “proper respect” for leaders. To fill this natural void, there is a backlash into worship and fear of imaginary leaders instead.

The Gods Must Be Crazy…

It used to be that leaders promoted a facade of divinity and idolatry–erecting idols of themselves, demanding worship, and the like–and they still do so in some parts of the world. Though this is rare in public life in the US, the reflex seems so ingrained in us that we must create make-believe “conspiracy leaders” to worship when social conventions change and we see our public or elected leaders so obviously groping. “It must be an act to lull us. They really are in control. They really are gods!”

Nowadays, “we the people” prop up the idols. Certain carnal instincts die hard. But these Conspiracy Theory idols, like all others, will be toppled and shattered.

At a local and experiential level, we all know the problems of position and responsibility. The higher the position, the more impossible to process all the information, to take everything into account, to please everyone, etc. That is why it is nice to dream of being in charge, but harder to sleep when you are.

There is hardly a profession where human limitations are more stark than in leadership. This is why “manager jokes” strike a chord in us. These barbs point out the hopeless situation most managers are in, diffusing with humor our exasperation at their inability to “get it,” listen, solve ALL the problems, or whatever.

Our ability to laugh at these jokes demonstrates that–at least intuitively–we know the “problem” that our leaders face with their limitations as humans. This being the case, we are enjoined to pray for them and show them proper respect for the responsibilities they bear.

But for the Conspiratist, there is a different set of rules for world leaders. These are a different breed, somehow. To listen to the Conspiracy buffs, it becomes clear that you must believe that certain people or groups possess superhuman powers of intelligence, time management, persuasion, influence, stealth, etc. These “puppeteers” have powers that would make Superman look like a weakling.

It might be countered that Conspiracy Theory believers are not gripped with the fear of real or imaginary human leaders, but demonic spirits–even Satan–who animate these people. But this is even worse! Instead of fearing God or honoring the temporal king, we now find ourselves emotionally and spiritually prostrated before demons and Satan, trembling for them!

Isaiah 57:11“And of whom have you been afraid, or feared, that you have lied and not remembered Me, nor taken it to your heart? Is it not because I have held My peace from of old that you do not fear Me?”

Shall we dance around the golden calf of Conspiracy Theory and its constructors, or attend to the Word of the Lord and His Kingdom among us?

Matthew 6:33But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness…

Resonating to Conspiracy Theories is a clear indication that we are carnally minded, and not even to the “real world” (which would be bad enough) but to an idolatrous fantasy world of delusion and paranoia.

Luke 17:20-21 “The kingdom of God is not coming with signs to be observed; nor will they say, ‘Look, here it is!’ or, ‘There it is!’ For behold, the kingdom of God is in your midst.”

Philippians 3:20For our citizenship is in heaven…

Brothers and sisters, let us repent.

Let us turn our minds from these dark meditations to the Word of God, and begin now to work and pray in accordance with His eternal and permanent kingdom.

Which kingdom do our private thoughts and feelings reveal we are vested in?

Ideas Have Consequences

There were pervasive rumors running rampant before WW2 concerning the Jews. One of note was that Jews were purportedly using Gentile blood in the making of the Passover Matzos. These and other rumors were so outlandish and ignorant that they did not seem worthy of serious response. They were so ridiculous and divorced from reality that no one bothered to dispute them. So they became “common knowledge.”

2 Peter 2:12But these… speak evil of the things they do not understand, and will utterly perish in their own corruption.

We often wonder what went so wrong in Germany that an entire segment of the population (many professing to be Christians!) would willfully and enthusiastically participate in the day to day executions of the holocaust.

We are not going to suggest here that the ONLY reason this happened were the rumors and slander running rampant in Germany unchecked for decades beforehand, but certainly these were a major factor in creating the climate that would allow, and even justify, the mayhem and shame that resulted.

We, of course, are superior to the Germans, and immune to the effects of outrageous stories and lies coursing through our minds unchallenged.

The one thing we learn from history, it appears, is that we can never learn from history.

Credulity and Witness

Proverbs 14:15A simple man believes anything, but a prudent man gives thought to his steps.

1 Thessalonians 5:21 - Test everything. Hold on to the good.

A casual survey of rumors coursing through the Christian community is not encouraging evidence that we are “testing all things.”

From, Acts 17-11: Christians & Conspiracy Theories – A CALL TO REPENTANCE

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30 comments on “Christians & Conspiracy Theories: A Call to Repentance (2)

  1. PJ,

    This is a very important post, and I appreciate you sharing it here. I would not have seen it otherwise.

    I agree with the vast majority of what is said here, but I have to wonder how far do we go the other direction. Are we to be ignorant of Satan’s devices? Are we not to be wise as serpents yet harmless as doves?

    For instance, I would ask, should Christian pastors (I am one) ever publicly question what the civil authorities tell us?

    *When President Wilson told the nation that the Lusitania had no armnament onboard on its way to England, and we must rush into WW1, the war to end all wars, were Christian pastors who publicly questioned that and were put in jail right or wrong?

    *When we were told that Saddam was behind the 2001 anthrax attacks, was funding Al-Qaeda and 9/11, and was an imminent threat to the U.S., should American Christian leaders question those assertions, or just watch their young people run off to war, many of them to never return home?

    *One Sunday 2000 years ago, the city of Jerusalem awoke to find that one of the newly occupied tombs at the edge of the city had been discovered empty. There were two opposing narratives offered–the official one and an alternative one. Should anyone have questioned the official version?

    I’m certainly not a Bircher or a Beckite. Both are far too earthly focused for me. I agree we should fearlessly proclaim the gospel of a heavenly kingdom and mostly ignore the stuff around us, but how far does this argument swing the other direction?

    Should we just be holy lemmings?

    • I agree with the vast majority of what is said here, but I have to wonder how far do we go the other direction. Are we to be ignorant of Satan’s devices? Are we not to be wise as serpents yet harmless as doves?

      Paul, i believe many Christians here in the US get caught up in conspiracy theories perpetrated first, by the world. This i believe, is where we err.

      Lets take one which started some years back–concentration camps being built by the government, in preparing to round up Christians.

      That has been debunked and proven false many times, but there are Christians who still believe there are hidden internment camps for Christians, and have been for 20 years. Christian prophecy authors hint at it in their books as well. [some of them].

      Its a case of a rumor, even though it was quickly debunked, taking on a life of its own. I still see Christians on boards talking about “those Christian concentration camps”.

      A more recent one is ‘death panels’ …

      These same Christians talk about ‘government death panels’ as i type. LOL

      But where did it start…

      Like many disagreements in the digital age, it all started with a post on Facebook. Last Friday, former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin posted a note to her Facebook page and introduced a new term to the health care debate:

      Palin, Aug. 7: The America I know and love is not one in which my parents or my baby with Down Syndrome will have to stand in front of Obama’s “death panel” so his bureaucrats can decide, based on a subjective judgment of their “level of productivity in society,” whether they are worthy of health care.

      Unsurprisingly, the phrase “death panel” does not appear in the health care bill that passed House committees last month. And Palin’s post did not make entirely clear what she might interpret as a “death panel.” Nonetheless, the phrase stuck.

      http://www.factcheck.org/2009/08/palin-vs-obama-death-panels/

      For instance, I would ask, should Christian pastors (I am one) ever publicly question what the civil authorities tell us?

      Paul, you opened the door to a topic i had thought of posting on recently: Hope i can explain my thoughts adequately.

      Frankly, i believe we should question AND fact check anything important which comes from civil authorities AND the media.

      BUT (and this is what i believe the Holy Spirit has shown me) we should also question AND research anything important those who call themselves Christians say also.

      First by the word, and also by reliable “unbiased” services who deal with separating truth from lies: im referring here to rumors, conspiracy theories, etc..

      I have noticed a very disturbing trend in the last few years–Christians (or those calling themselves Christians) are not above lying if it fits their personal agendas. I see it so much anymore, im wondering if they even realize they are lying or are they just under a cloud of delusion. I don’t know.

      Do you agree we are in a season of severe apostasy?

      If you do, then should we really think this apostasy “only” has to do with doctrine, false teachers, etc etc?

      I don’t think so. Apostasy is falling away from truth–any and ALL truth.

      So knowing this, it should make us rely all the more on Spiritual discernment. And on checking out people’s claims [even, and maybe especially those made by Christian voices in the news/media, leadership, etc.]

      We are in a season right now when rumors which produce unfounded suspicions and fear are spreading like wildfire. There seems to be a new “bogyman” or conspiracy theory every day making its way across the internet–INTO the minds and hearts of God’s people.

      I honestly believe these rumors are a devise satan is using. But we’re so busy believing the lies and innuendos, we don’t see him behind this latest craze.

      Amos 3:7 – Surely the Sovereign Lord does nothing without revealing his plan to his servants the prophets.

      And Scripture never mentions anything anywhere even approaching the scope of Conspiracy Theory.

      In general, The Bible neither denies real human conspiracies nor suggests that they are a major factor in history. Scripture puts conspiracies where they belong: as an occasional and hard to maintain sideshow.

      Amen. They are a sideshow–a “distraction” by satan.

      We who are in the Lord don’t have to worry that something is going to take us unawares–for we have God’s Spirit within us and his word to go by.

      He loves us Paul, and will not leave us in ignorance. What he’s NOT going to do is use conspiracy theorists and fear mongers to give us truth.

    • Concerning the death panels, in various countries where similar universal health care exists, people are “labeled” as being either too healthy or too young or too this or that to receive coverage for various medical issues. The reason is simple: There isn’t enough money to cover everyone. These systems go on for a time, but the costs only grow as each year passes. Such a system, if history is true, can only inevitably fail. In the United States, where we have a much larger population, it is likely that we will not be able to afford the program. Therefore, logically, it is in the best interests of the government to ration care. It is either that or raise taxes to an obscene level to pay for it. Unfortunately, you can only raise taxes to a certain amount before the money runs out.

      As for money in general, I am unsure about our future at the moment. Right now the stock market is getting pumped due to a dollar carry trade. It’s a bubble created by the 0 interest rate and the devaluation of the dollar that is following. The stock market, as the value of the dollar goes down, has been going up as a result. Eventually the interest rate will have to go back to normal, and at that point, or during a crisis, that bubble we’re building is going to pop. This bubble exists because the politicians don’t want to see the economy tank under their watch. However, the economy must tank for a time. The Banks have too much bad debt, and both the banks and the government have fraudulently been hiding their bad assets from the rest of us. Until the bad debt is flushed from the system the economy will never truly be out of any kind of a recession. Also, because the government will continue to cover up this fact, and “resolve” it with solutions that will only resolve it for as long as there is money to throw at it, the bubble that is going to burst is only going to continue to grow. In other words, we’re making the possible collapse alot worse.

      These politicians think they can just throw money at everything and all their problems will go away. They think they can buy a perfect health system or make their failed economic policies happen by “spraying” money around and praying it works out for the best.

      Anyway, to get to my point, what I’m trying to say is I don’t think a discussion on healthcare is relevant since there might not be any cash left over to pay for it all. I was reading the Communist Manifesto the other day, and the only thing I can say about it is that Marx was a fool. He thinks a progressive income tax and government taking everything over can actually solve anything. He spends alot of time talking about the wicked capitalists and their alleged failures, but he lists surprisingly little details about his own ideology. He was a fool, and so are these mini-Marxists in Congress who think they can defy the laws of math!

      Forgive the poor grammar, it”s 3:49am and I’m half asleep.

  2. “Love Not The World”

    ”For the WHOLE world(not just a portion) is under the control of the evil one”…….(I John 5:19)

    “Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man loves the world, the love of the Father is not in him. For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world. And the world will pass away, and the lust thereof: but he that does the will of The Only True GOD will abide for ever.” (I John 2:15-17)

    “If you were of the world, the world would love it’s own: but because you are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hates you. Remember the word that I said unto you, the servant is not greater than his Master. If they have persecuted Me, they will also persecute you; if they have kept My saying, they will keep yours also.” (John 15:19-20)

    “Where do wars and fighting among you come from? Do they not come of your lusts that war in your members? You lust, and have not: you kill, and desire to have, and cannot obtain: you fight and war yet you have not, because you ask not. You ask, and receive not, because you ask amiss, that you may consume it upon your lusts. You adulterers and adulteresses, don’t you know that friendship with the world is to be at enmity with The Only True GOD? Therefore whoever will be a friend of the world is the enemy of The Only True GOD.” (James 4:1-4)

    “The world cannot hate you; but the world hates Me, because I testify that the works of this world are evil.” (John 7:7)” and “The Messiah gave Himself for our sins, that He might deliver us from this present evil world, according to the will of The Only True God, Our Father.”(Gal 1:4)

    The Messiah testified: “If the world hates you know that it hated Me before it hated you.”(John 5:18) Truly, Truly, I say unto you, except a corn of wheat fall into the ground and die, it abides alone: but if it die it brings forth much fruit. He that loves his life in this world shall lose it; and he that hates his life in this world shall have it unto life eternal.” (John 12:24-25)

    John testified: “Marvel not, my brethren, if the world hates you.” (I John 3:13) “ James testified, “Whoever would be a friend of this world is the enemy of GOD”(James 4:4)

    The “earth and it’s life forms” are The Creation of The Only True GOD, Father of ALL! The “worldly” systems are the creation of, and under the dominion of “the god of this world”, he who is “the father of lies”, he who “has blinded the minds of those who believe not The Messiah”! All the nations of this world are under the dominion of, and serve, the evil one for he provides the fuel that feeds mankind’s “imag”ination, and mankind’s “imagination is destroying and perverting Creation(land, air, water, vegetation, creatures, Light, Truth, Life, Love, Peace, Faith, Simplicity, .etc.) ;-(

    Once again, the “earth and it’s life forms” are The Creation of The Only True GOD, Father of ALL! The current “worldly” systems are the creation of, and under the dominion of “the god of this world”.

    Those who “love this world” all serve “the god of this world”, and play their part in the processes that seek to destroy The Creation of The Only True GOD. “And The Only True GOD will destroy them who destroy the earth.” (Rev 11:18c)

    Global warming, polluted air, land and waters, toxic wastes, sexual perversion, evil inventions of destruction, greed, hate, carnal warfare, dis-ease ,,,etc,,, are all destructive processes that have their root in “the lust of the eye, the lust of the flesh, and the pride of life”.

    The Truth Is Alive in those who have been born of The Spirit for “they no longer love this wicked, evil world and it’s things, nor do they love their own lives in this world”.

    They but seek and desire The Will of GOD, their Father and Creator, as they await their final transformation. “Corruptible to Incorruptible” ndeed and Truth!

    Now “the ground was cursed for Adam’s sake” because he “hearkened unto the woman”.

    Adam listened to a woman rather than obeying The Only True GOD. Yet because of Faithful Noah, The Only True GOD “no longer would curse the ground for man’s sake” because Noah obeyed The Only True GOD! (Genesis 8:21-22)

    And the Faithful today are exhorted to “love not the world, neither the things that are in the world.”

    Be not of those who deny and defy “The One GOD, Father of All”. Be not of those who are destroying and perverting the earth(land, air, water, vegetation, creatures) and perverting that which is Spirit(Light, Truth, Life, Love, Peace, Hope, Mercy, Faith, .etc.)!

    “Set your affections on things above”. Desire heavenly, eternal things. Quit serving ‘time’ in the prison that is this world and take heed unto The Call of “The Only True GOD” to ”Come Out of her, MY people!”

    “Come out” from among those who are destroying and perverting Creation and be of those who follow The Messiah on “The Way to The Truth of The Life”.

    “Come out” of the worldly systems, which are the product of mankind’s “imag”ination, especially the systems of religion. “Pure religion and undefiled before GOD The Father is this, to visit the fatherless(those who know not their Father[Creator]) and widows(those who have not experienced The Messiah and The Power that raised Him from among the dead”) in their affliction and to keep oneself uncontaminated by the world.” (James 1:27)

    Simply, all other religions are impure, defiled and of this wicked, evil world…….

    “religion” is personal(oneself), not corporate…….

    Faith will not create a system of religion!

    Faith is Family, not “religion”, and The Brethren of The Messiah seek and desire that which The Messiah sought and desired above all else:

    “Father, not My will, But THY Will Be Done”…….

    Peace, in spite of the dis-ease(no-peace) that is of this world and it’s systems of religion, for “the WHOLE world(not just a portion) is under the control of the evil one” indeed and Truth……

    Truth is never ending…….

  3. PJ,

    What do you make of all of the quotes in this article?

    http://www.svpvril.com/nwo.html

    Unless all of those quotes were never made and all of it is a complete lie, it looks to me like there is a very definite conspiracy going on that has been in place since at least WWI , to bring about a New World order and a world government. I have read similar quotes in other ariticles in the past too.

    • This was one point the author was making, that we’ve had these conspiracy theories concerning a shadow world-government, NWO, for decades, and as Christians we should be seeking God and revelation and not seeking perceived, hidden conspiracy’s which promote phobias and fears:

      Isaiah 8:12 – “Do not call conspiracy everything that these people call conspiracy; do not fear what they fear, and do not dread it.”

      Shall we dance around the golden calf of Conspiracy Theory and its constructors, or attend to the Word of the Lord and His Kingdom among us?

    • It was also the author’s point, if I remember correctly, to state that those with conspiracy theories were not made by the ones in the know politically and that the reality was that these theories are not not fact at all when confronted with the realities of “those in the know” in government. That is what the list of quotes I gave was meant to show as false. And that is what the video and speech by the new EU president were meant to contradict.

      The author also made a big point about saying that in the Bible conspiracy was only something that happened for a very short time–not a long range plan for things. Therefore he seeemed to believe that there was no such thing as a long range conspiracy over a long period of time. The quotes in that article show that to be a fase belief. These plans have been going on for a very long time.

      If the author of the ariticle is corrct in saying that these men will not bring about a one world government or not, I do not know. What I do know is that there is a long standing plan in place to bring it about and that the events of today show that it is certainly closer to coming to pass.

      If it does come to pass by these men’s maneuverings, it will certainly be because that is the way that God has chosen for it to come to pass. If we call it conspiracy or not, the fact remains that there are men planning for these things, and they have been for a very long time.

      And just because we as Christians are aware of the things going on in the world around us and the plans being made in the high places of governments around the world, it doesn’t at all mean that we have to give in to fear because of it.

  4. Frankly, it seems to me that talk is out there everywhere about global governance. Here is a speech by the newly elected EU president where it is again spoken of very strongly.

    http://www.csmonitor.com/2009/0923/p09s01-coop.html

    This speech is quoted in the Christian Science Monitor.

    • Frankly, it seems to me that talk is out there everywhere about global governance.

      and who is putting that talk out there?

      Our spiritual enemy is winning a terrific battle against us if he can short circuit our zeal and eliminate our influence via the fatalism of Conspiracy Theories.

      The utility of Conspiracy Theory thus comes into focus. It shifts blame. It is a sophisticated excuse machine. This is how Hitler used it; this is how Nero used it; this is how we are using it. Has there even been a Conspiracy Theory concocted short of this purpose?

      What could be a more obvious ploy by our spiritual enemy to thwart the life of Christ in us?

  5. “and who is putting that talk out there?”

    You know it seems to me it really doesn’t matter who is putting the talk out there–as long as it is true. Which it certainly seems to be. When we read in multiple quotes from these folks and hear it from their own mouths in videos, it becomes pretty hard to deny that it is reality. Then it bcomes our job as Christians to respond to it in the correct way. We can let it derail us, or we can choose not to. Satan only wins at his scheme if we let him.

    But is the solution to bury our heads in the sand and say there is not reality to it, it is just a “conspiracy theory”, when indeed there is proven reality behind it? It certainly doesn’t seem to me that is the case.

    • You know it seems to me it really doesn’t matter who is putting the talk out there

      It may not, but it does matter to me when it comes to rumors, innuendos, and conspiracy theories.

    • “It may not, but it does matter to me when it comes to rumors, innuendos, and conspiracy theories.”

      Again, my whole point has been, and was when I said that it didn’t matter who said it, that what was being spoken of was provably true, and not a conspiracy “theory”. Unless of course, you choose to believe that none of the quotes that have been given were actually made by any of these people or that the article by the new EU president was true.

  6. “Our spiritual enemy is winning a terrific battle against us if he can short circuit our zeal and eliminate our influence via the fatalism of Conspiracy Theories.”

    Are you perhaps forgetting that the enemy has in mind the greatest Conspiracy Theory of all time-destroying Christianity- and to ignore that would be ignoring a great deal of the warnings in the Bible?

    • Are you perhaps forgetting that the enemy has in mind the greatest Conspiracy Theory of all time-destroying Christianity- and to ignore that would be ignoring a great deal of the warnings in the Bible?

      mbaker, the quote you posted is from the article, so you’d have to ask the authors themselves. You can contact them here at

      Acts 17:11

      But looking back over the 2 parts it looks like they may have already addressed it, at least in part:

      The only grand “conspiracy” spoken of in Scripture is a SPIRITUAL one led by Satan. And it is no secret: it has been REVEALED to those with ears to hear. Thus, it is no “conspiracy” to Christians, but an open war against the gospel of Christ and His life in the kingdom of God on this earth.

      Our Lord Jesus has defeated the enemy of our souls at the cross. While we have yet to see the fullness of this victory play out in time, we will. The ultimate defeat of Satan is as sure as the Word of God. For our enemy’s time is short.

      Are we showing discernment and good judgment by recognizing who the real enemy is and where we are being attacked spiritually? What is history really about, and what battle is really going on in God’s world? Is eternal judgment real? What, then, should our approach and overarching strategy to life be? How, then, should we live? If we are members of the “Kingdom of God”, just what should we be focusing on? Are we looking up, or down–and getting that all wrong? How would Jesus rate our sense of apprehending the reality of things? Are we wiser then He? Wiser than all of the holy prophets of old?

  7. My pastor preached on what you have written – not the entire sermon but a portion of it – just today. Both he and you are 100% correct. So, I repent of the conspiracy mongering that I dedicated a great portion of my website to, and will not indulge in that sinful behavior again.

    • Job, i don’t recall conspiracy topics at your blog??.

      But im glad you shared that your pastor touched on this topic also. Its a confirmation (for me personally) that the Spirit of God is trying to get the Church’s attention concerning the issue. (Thanks brother)

  8. Like anything there can be extremes on both ends. To deny that there’s a concerted effort for a one world government is to turn a blind eye to reality. What then, IS the function of the UN? What do all these world leaders mean when they use the words “New World Order?”

    The authors of this article take a cop out by saying that it’s all spiritual forces. Certainly there are spiritual forces at work; but, they are using REAL human beings as vessels for their work. And, REAL human beings are being affected. This is not unlike Judas’ role, the Pharisees’ role, Pilate’s role, etc. in Jesus’ crucifixion.

    Here’s a quote for George H. W. Bush as President:

    We have before us the opportunity to forge for ourselves and for future generations a new world order – a world where the rule of the law, not the law of the jungle governs the conduct of nations. When we are successful – and we will be – we have a real chance at this new world order, an order in which a credible United Nations can use its peacekeeping role that can fulfill the promise and vision of the U.N.’s founders…

    Who is this “we” he is refering to? How else will the UN do this but with all countries subordinate to it?

    • Craig, the author’s complete point of view on the topic, may be clearer if you read part one also.

    • During the 20th century, many statesmen, such as Woodrow Wilson and Winston Churchill, used the term “new world order” to refer to a new period of history evidencing a dramatic change in world political thought and the balance of power after World War I and World War II.

      They all saw these periods as opportunities to implement idealistic (or ultra-imperialist) proposals for global governance only in the sense of new collective efforts to identify, understand, or address worldwide problems that go beyond the capacity of individual nation-states to solve.

      In reaction, conspiracy theorists of the American secular and Christian right during the Second Red Scare, whose paranoia was fueled by unfounded fears of Masonic, Illuminati, and Jewish conspiracies to achieve world communism, began misinterpreting any use of term “new world order” by members of the Establishment, even when they were simply acknowledging a change in the international balance of power….

      In his 11 September 1990 Toward a New World Order speech to a joint session of the U.S. Congress, President George H. W. Bush described his ideals for post-Cold-War global governance in cooperation with post-Soviet states:

      Until now, the world we’ve known has been a world divided – a world of barbed wire and concrete block, conflict and cold war. Now, we can see a new world coming into view. A world in which there is the very real prospect of a new world order. In the words of Winston Churchill, a “world order” in which “the principles of justice and fair play … protect the weak against the strong …” A world where the United Nations, freed from cold war stalemate, is poised to fulfill the historic vision of its founders. A world in which freedom and respect for human rights find a home among all nations.

      Chip Berlet, an investigative reporter specializing in the study of right-wing movements in the U.S., writes:

      When President Bush announced his new foreign policy would help build a New World Order, his phrasing surged through the Christian and secular hard right like an electric shock, since the phrase had been used to represent the dreaded collectivist One World Government for decades. Some Christians saw Bush as signaling the End Times betrayal by a world leader. Secular anticommunists saw a bold attempt to smash US sovereignty and impose a tyrannical collectivist system run by the United Nations.[5]

      American televangelist Pat Robertson with his 1991 best-selling book The New World Order became the most prominent Christian popularizer of conspiracy theories about recent American history as a theater in which Wall Street, the Federal Reserve System, Council on Foreign Relations, Bilderberg Group, and Trilateral Commission control the flow of events from behind the scenes, nudging us constantly and covertly in the direction of world government for the Antichrist.[6]

      Observers note that the galvanization of right-wing populist conspiracy theorists, such as Linda Thompson, Mark Koernke and Robert K. Spear, into militancy led to the rise of the militia movement, which spread its anti-government ideology through speeches at rallies and meetings, through books and videotapes sold at gun shows, through shortwave and satellite radio, and through fax networks and computer bulletin boards.[5]

      However, viral propaganda on the Internet is what most effectively contributed to their extremist political ideas about the New World Order finding their way into the far left literature of some black nationalists, but also the previously apolitical literature of many Kennedy assassinologists, ufologists, lost land theorists, and, most recently, occultists. The worldwide appeal of these subcultures then transmitted New World Order conspiracism like a “mind virus” to a large new audience of seekers of counterknowledge from the mid-1990s on.[6]

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_World_Order_(conspiracy_theory)#History_of_the_term

  9. Again, my whole point has been, and was when I said that it didn’t matter who said it, that what was being spoken of was provably true, and not a conspiracy “theory”.

    Unless of course, you choose to believe that none of the quotes that have been given were actually made by any of these people or that the article by the new EU president was true.

    Forgive me cherylu but i can’t help but smile.

    The author’s message was to point out how Christians can get caught up in conspiracy theories, how it takes our focus away from Christ and substitutes worldly speculation and theories with Revelation, and how we need to repent of this behavior–and you’ve posted comments which have not addressed any of that, but instead defend conspiracy theories with links and a video! LOL

    • PJ,

      I can see you are totally not getting my point! The author said that the type of thing I am speaking about does not exist–that world leaders do not recognize this type of thing and that all of the nationalistic wars going on prove that it is not true.

      All of the information I have given, in direct quotes from many of those same world leaders prove that what the man is saying is absolutely 100% false. If you can read all of those quotes by all of those well known men, watch a video by the EU president where he speaks of this being the first year of global governance and read another speech given by him where he talks about global governance and still agree that this is all just a “conspiracy theory” and that what the man that wrote the article says is correct, I don’t know what can possibly convince you! How many quotes from the lips of world leaders does it take to convince you that they are really planning these things and that I don’t just believe in some far out “theory” that is not based in fact??

      Do you believe that all of the quotes given, the video and the speech were all something made up to convince gullible people that there really is a plan under way to put in a one world government?

  10. To add to my last comment, PJ, I am only defending “conspiracy theories” if what is being said in all of the quotes, the video, etc. are indeed not fact. If it is indeed true that all of these people are saying and planning these things, and have been for many years, it may very well be called a conspiracy. But not a conspiracy theory.

    And like I said earlier, if they succeed in their plans or not is totally up to God and the way He has planned world events to play out. And I certainly do not know if these folks schemes are a part of that or not.

  11. Okay PJ, I totally give up. Everything said in the quotes, the video, and the speech were obviously total lies. I do so want to promote conspiracy theories. We Christians tend to believe in them constantly. It doesn’t matter how many actual, proven facts there are out there to support the reality of any given one, they are all just conspiracy theories with no basis in reality to them whatsoever. It is just like the author of the article said, these things don’t exist in any way that is recognized by anyone in government, and everyone that has been quoted as saying must be either totally deluded, a liar themselves, or has been totally misrepresented! Oh, and of course I forgot, every time a conspiracy is mentioned in the Bible, it is something that lasts for only a very short time. Therefore, it is certainly not even possible that there could be a conspiracy that lasts over a period of many years! And it is certainly not possible or at least at all likely that God would use such a scenario as has been portrayed to bring about His plan! We totally know that plan after all, and this certainly is not it!!

    • Cherylu

      Thanks for not including another link to a conspiracy theory.

      The 2 part article was more then just a message concerning Christians becoming wrong-focused, it was a call for repentance.

  12. Hi PJ,

    I agree that the bible view does not portray the world being secretly controlled by a small group of men who have conspired together to enslave mankind.

    I do, however, believe that the bible alludes to the spirit of Antichrist, and that this spirit is actually bringing about many of the things that conspiracy buffs are becoming alarmed over – one world government, etc.

    I also, personally, believe that Satan uses many of the elite, wealthy and powerful to bring about his designs.

    It’s easy to see why some would suspect a vast conspiracy, because this all looks very tightly orchestrated by some mastermind/

    In reality, it is well orchestrated by a masterming, but he’s not named Rockefeller or Rothschild. Satan, himself, is the mastermind.

    • I do, however, believe that the bible alludes to the spirit of Antichrist, and that this spirit is actually bringing about many of the things that conspiracy buffs are becoming alarmed over – one world government, etc.

      Hi Laz…

      yes, he brought that out in the article.

      We Christians have to rely on Holy Spirit discernment to recognize the spirit of antichrist working in movements, organizations, etc in the world today. I believe this is what the author meant by “revelation”.

      If we don’t discern we can start believing everything is a conspiracy. Satan is good at throwing up smokescreens in order to distract us from what he doesn’t want us recognizing. I’m sure he also “loves” it when we become consumed and/or distracted by them.

  13. PJ, (I am really not expecting you to post this comment).

    Can you please tell me what you are so afraid of that you won’t let quotes or a video that show people are really planning these things to come out? I agree with those that have said that Satan is the mastermind behind all of this. And I also agree that he uses men many time to accomplish his purposes. That doesn’t change the fact that these things appear to be really going on. Is it so dangerous to know this truth that you have to keep deleting comments that bring them out? Knowing what is going on the world around us doesn’t necessitate becoming totally focused on those things or having to be derailed from living like a Christian because of that knowledge. Indeed, lack of knowledge of the truth can itself be quite dangerous.

    I will admit that I found one of the men’s quotes that you deleted above was actually a misquote. However, the article that it came from still talked about the necessity for having a one world government. If even a fraction of the quotes were in error, that still leaves a huge amount of evidence that this is indeed true. I verified the Rockefeller quote. It is given in a book review on Amazon. The speech and the video can’t be so easily misquoted. There is no way that you can convince me that all of this is wrong–there is just too much evidence out there to the contrary.

    And lastly, why did you delete two comments of mine with quotes and a link this afternoon and then thank me for not putting up any more links and remind me that the article called for repentance? I’m sorry, but that was totally misrepresenting the facts of what I had done and basically giving everyone that reads this thread a totally wrong idea about what was going on. Such deliberate misrepresentation of truth is hardly becoming to a Christian. You keep talking about the need for repentance. It would seem to me that some repentance is called for here on your part.

    • Can you please tell me what you are so afraid of that you won’t let quotes or a video that show people are really planning these things to come out?

      The answer is very simple cherylu and i cannot understand why you can’t see it.

      It has nothing to do with fear it has to do with you taking a serious post which spoke of the dangers of Christians becoming deeply involved in conspiracy theories, along with a plea from the author calling those who have, to repent, and use it to post exactly what the message warned of–conspiracy theories.

      Did you really think i was going to allow people to turn these two threads into an open forum to post mega links and video clips which promote conspiracy theories?

      You keep talking about the need for repentance. It would seem to me that some repentance is called for here on your part.

      I wonder if you ever read posts completely sister–or if you automatically zoom in on something you don’t like and skip the rest. The author wrote concerning repenting…i didn’t.

      As far as my own repenting for not posting comments which only wanted to further a conspiracy agenda, i have no conviction over not allowing them through. If i allowed my blog to be used to promote these types of things then yes, i would need to repent for allowing it..

      There is no way that you can convince me that all of this is wrong–there is just too much evidence out there to the contrary.

      No one here including myself has attempted to convince you of anything.

      I will say this on a personal note; I find it odd that the only time you leave comments is if its under a topic you want to disagree with and/or argue about. It has seemed to be a pattern for awhile now. It leaves me wondering if its really Christian fellowship or honest Christian discussion you’re seeking or if you’re looking for an argument.

      if its an argument you’re not going to find it here.

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