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Pat Robertson, “foot in mouth”


Pat’s comments from his program yesterday have been quoted and posted all over the internet today, (see video). As I mentioned under another post, what he said concerning Haiti making a pact with satan, has been disputed by many people, including many Haitian pastors for years.

Have you ever heard how some preachers or theologians try to explain the unspeakable misery that is crippling most of Haiti’s population of 8 million? Everywhere you go, from your television screen to the Internet, what you are most likely to find is a reference to a spiritual pact that the fathers of the nation supposedly made with the devil to help them win their freedom from France. As a result of that satanic alliance, as they put it, God has placed a curse on the country some time around its birth3, and that divine burden has made it virtually impossible for the vast majority of Haitians to live in peace and prosperity in their land. Surprising, right?

The satanic pact allegedly took place at Bois-Caïman near Cap-Haïtien on August 14, 1791 during a meeting organized by several slave leaders, under [Dutty] Boukman’s leadership, before launching what would become Haiti’s Independence War. This brutal period lasted 13 years until the last survivors of the French expeditionary forces, dispatched to Saint-Domingue with the sole purpose to re-establish slavery, were allowed by Dessalines to leave the island and return to Napoleon. Those who made it safely to France wrote and reported about the utmost bravery and supreme courage of Haiti’s indigenous army.

Obviously, the idea that Haiti was dedicated to Satan prior to its independence is a very serious and profound statement with potentially grave consequences for its people in terms of how they are perceived by others or how the whole nation is understood outside its borders. One would agree that such a strong affirmation should be based on solid historical and scriptural ground. But, although the satanic pact idea is by far the most popular explanation for Haiti’s birth as a free nation, especially among Christian missionaries and some Haitian Church leaders, it is nothing more than a fantasist opinion that ultimately dissipates upon close examination. (read more, God, Satan, and the Birth of Haiti, Posted October 2005)

Here’s my question: If Pat Robertson is so sure this story is true, and it is God’s judgment on the people in Haiti, brought about by a ‘curse’ for some pact their ancestors are suppose to have made, then isn’t he interfering with God’s judgment by using his ministry, Operation Blessing, in order to send in help and relief now? Seems to me he’d be working “against” God.

I personally couldn’t believe he even said that yesterday, knowing its been disputed as even being true! It was a totally DUMB and STUPID thing to say…especially by a Christian.

But I have a problem with Christians jumping out front immediately concerning any tragic disaster, automatically claiming its God’s judgment. Unless God has unequivocally revealed to them its his judgment, its only  presumption and/or speculation on their part.

Sometimes its better to be SILENT.

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32 comments on “Pat Robertson, “foot in mouth”

  1. He’s working with an unformatted disk 
    His antenna doesn’t pick up all the channels. 
    His chimney’s clogged. 
    His elevator doesn’t go all the way to the top. 
    His elevator doesn’t make it to the penthouse. 
    His elevator doesn’t make it to the top floor 
    His elevator doesn’t stop at every floor. 
    His elevator is stuck between floors

  2. His track record is anything but stellar. When he called for the assassination of Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez I knew he had absolutely no discernment. I shutter to think what it would have looked like had he succeeded in his Presidential bid for office. Wow!!!

  3. What was Jesus’ response to a disaster in the gospels:
    1There were some present at that very time who told him about the Galileans whose blood(A) Pilate had mingled with their sacrifices. 2And he answered them, (B) “Do you think that these Galileans were worse sinners than all the other Galileans, because they suffered in this way? 3No, I tell you; but unless you(C) repent, you will all likewise perish. 4Or those eighteen on whom the tower in(D) Siloam fell and killed them: do you think that they were worse offenders than all the others who lived in Jerusalem? 5No, I tell you; but unless you(E) repent, you will all likewise perish.”

    Is Pat saying the Haitians are worse offenders that the rest of the world? Implicit in his statements is that if u have not had a tragedy like that u are better than them. Is this biblical? The earth in which we inhabit is cursed and unfortunately tragedies like this will continue to happen in our world. The Christian should use the hour to remind everyone how frail life is and the need to repent and make peace with his creator. No part of the world is immune from calamity be it man-made or nature induced.

  4. So when is Pat Robertson’s foot anywhere else? Seriously, its just unbelievable how little discretion he has for a person in his position.

    The tongue of the wise useth knowledge aright: but the mouth of fools poureth out foolishness. – Proverbs 15

  5. I think we need to be a little bit careful here. I watched the video clip that was linked to on this site yesterday of Pat Robertson’s statement. He did not actually say this was God’s judgement or God’s wrath on the people. What he did say was that they had made a pact with the devil many years ago, (and claimed that to be true), and then said that every since then they have been, “cursed with one thing after another”, including extreme poverty. Not sure it that was his exact words, but was very close anyway.

    Now I don’t know if by that he was implying that this was God’s judgment or not, however, he certainly did not explicitly state that it was.

    CBN has released a statement denying that he said it was God’s judgment or wrath, don’t remember which word they used.

    Here is a link to that statement:

    http://www.cbn.com/about/pressrelease_patrobertson_haiti.aspx

  6. Today:

    Dr. Robert Jeffress of the First Baptist Church of Dallas said, “It is absolute arrogance to try to interpret any of God’s actions as a judgment against this person or that person. & Our duty as Christians is to try to help these people pray for these people and to help them.”

    Franklin Graham, the evangelist son of Billy Graham and president of the Christian relief organization Samaritan’s Purse, said he also disagrees with Robertson’s assessment. “He must have misspoken,” Graham said of Robertson. “But we need to get on the path of helping people right now. God loves the people of Haiti. He hasn’t turned his back on Haiti.”

    Robertson elaborated Wednesday on his explanation for the tragedy in Haiti, saying that the devastation is the latest in a line of curses to hit the island people.

    He also cited the relative success of the Dominican Republic, as a contrast.

    “That island of Hispaniola is one island,” he said on the “700 Club.” It’s cut down the middle. On the one side is Haiti, on the other side is the Dominican Republican. Dominican Republic is prosperous, healthy, full of resorts, etc. Haiti is in desperate poverty. Same island.”

    Robertson advised people to pray for Haitians to have “a great turning to God.”

    “Out of this tragedy, I’m optimistic something good may come. But right now we’re helping the suffering people and the suffering is unimaginable,” Robertson said.

    Robertson’s tale stems from a legend that Jean Jacques Dessalines, who led the Haitian revolution against the French Army, entered into a pact with Satan disguised as a Voodoo deity in exchange for a military victory, which finally happened in 1803.

    One minister of a Haitian-American church, who does not believe this legend, recently wrote about the frequent references in Haiti “to a spiritual pact that the fathers of the nation supposedly made with the Devil to help them win their freedom from France.

    “As a result of that satanic alliance, as they put it, God has placed a curse on the country sometime around its birth,” he said, “and that divine burden has made it virtually impossible for the vast majority of Haitians to live in peace and prosperity in their land. & The satanic pact reputedly took place at Bois-Caïman near Cap-Haitien Aug. 14, 1791, during a meeting organized by several slave leaders, under [Dutty] Boukman’s leadership, before launching what would become Haiti’s Independence War.”

    Attributing natural disasters to divine intention is nothing new.

    In an ABC News poll conducted after Hurricane Katrina in 2005, 23 percent of Americans said they believed hurricanes were “a deliberate act of God.”

    Of those, half called the storms “a warning,” about a quarter called them a test or punishment and the rest said they occur for reasons impossible to understand.

    ABCNews

    Pat Robertson was totally insensitive in making such a statement which has been disputed by others who would know more about the topic, and was sure not being led by the Holy Spirit. :-(

  7. Robertson has a real knack of saying things at inappropriate times. However, I don’t think he was implying that GOD had cursed the Hatians.

    ” then isn’t he interfering with God’s judgment by using his ministry, Operation Blessing, in order to send in help and relief now? ”

    This confims my thesis.

  8. I am not going to defend Pat Robertson here because as has been pointed out there is little historical evidence for the ‘pact with the devil’ story. However it does not matter whether they made a pact with the devil or not because even if they did they’ve had over 200 years to turn to the Lord.

    It is beyond dispute that in spite of many years of evangelism toward the people of Haiti, that nation remains steeped in idolatry, witchcraft, voodoo, Catholicism and every other abomination known to man. Billions of tax dollars and millions if not billions of church dollars have flowed into that country year after year and yet they persist in their idolatry. It is well within the scope of orthodox Christianity to suggest that at some point God says enough is enough.

    Pat Robertson was right in one respect. Those people need to repent of their idolatry and turn to God. Unfortunately the ‘evangelism’ that has come to Haiti from the US in recent years has been big on social good works and almost entirely void of the true gospel. It’s time some of these big ministries (like you Franklin Graham and you Robert Jeffress) stop making excuses for sin and tell these people they must repent or face the wrath of God.

    The western church uses Haiti as little more than a photo-op. Look at all the good works we are doing in Haiti!! Look, we’re feeding poor people, were giving them medicine, we’re building schools, yada, yada, yada. None of those things are bad in and of themselves but what people everywhere need is the hard message of repentance. That message of repentance and salvation from the wrath of God has all but disappeared from the western church. Why would we expect them to preach it in Haiti when they don’t even preach it at home?

    This event was God’s judgment upon Haiti. I am not afraid to say it. Read Jeremiah 18:7-10 to see what God has to say to the nations (goyim) that refuse to turn from evil. And it should serve as a warning to America and the church. Except we repent we shall all likewise perish – Luke 13:5

    BTW – Hillary Clinton said today the devastation in Haiti was “Biblical” I wonder if she will get the same level of condemnation that Pat Robertson has received

    • Those people need to repent of their idolatry and turn to God.

      I agree. All of mankind needs to turn away from their idolatry.

      I read Luke 13;

      Now there were some present at that time who told Jesus about the Galileans whose blood Pilate had mixed with their sacrifices. Jesus answered, “Do you think that these Galileans were worse sinners than all the other Galileans because they suffered this way? I tell you, no! But unless you repent, you too will all perish.

      Or those eighteen who died when the tower in Siloam fell on them—do you think they were more guilty than all the others living in Jerusalem? I tell you, no! But unless you repent, you too will all perish.”

      Matthew Henry’s words probably explains it best;

      This tragical story is briefly related here, and is not met with in any historians. In Christ’s reply he spoke of another event, which, like it, gave an instance of people taken away by sudden death. Towers, that are built for safety, often prove to be men’s destruction.

      He cautioned his hearers not to blame great sufferers, as if they were therefore to be accounted great sinners. As no place or employment can secure from the stroke of death, we should consider the sudden removals of others as warnings to ourselves.

      Amen. I recall reading this after the the twin towers fell…

      Steve, you stated,

      And it should serve as a warning to America and the church. Except we repent we shall all likewise perish – Luke 13:5

      That is what i believe Jesus was saying,…that tragedy’s of sudden destruction in which many lives are lost, is a warning to others to repent.

      But this is not what Pat Robertson was saying…

      He attributed this earthquake, (as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?…..”nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.” matthew 24) to what he referred to as a ‘true story’ concerning a ‘a pact with the Devil’ and a ‘curse’.

      “And you know, Kristi, something happened a long time ago in Haiti, and people might not want to talk about it. They were under the heel of the French, uh, you know Napoleon the 3rd and whatever, and they got together and swore a pact to the Devil. They said, ‘We will serve you if you’ll get us free from the French.’ True story. And so the Devil said, ‘Okay, it’s a deal.’

      He even gave his listening audience personal insight into satans reply.

      What he didn’t give his audience was insight into the truth which is Jesus, when asked about the last days and his coming, said earthquakes in divers places would be a sign. Most Christians understand that to mean more and greater earthquakes, in the closing days.

      Pat also, instead of using this tragedy in order to compel his listeners to personal repentance, proclaimed Haiti’s disaster as a result of some pact with satan. Thus giving people the impression that the people of Haiti were “greater sinners” then they (or others) were.

      This goes against what Jesus said in the above verses in luke 13.

      “Do you think that these Galileans were worse sinners than all the other Galileans because they suffered this way? I tell you, no!

      Or those eighteen who died when the tower in Siloam fell on them—do you think they were more guilty than all the others living in Jerusalem? I tell you, no!

      “…unless you repent, you too will all perish.”

      We are all sinners…and without repentance and turning to Jesus, we also will perish.

      Pat Robertson’s statement was totally insensitive. It was also stupid. For what he referred to as ‘the truth’, (the pact story) has been disputed by many of those born and living in Haiti today, as a myth or legend.

      it’s hard to know where the idea of a divine curse on Haiti following the purported satanic pact actually originated, whether from foreign missionaries or from local church leaders. In his book Ripe Now – A Haitian congregation responds to the Great Commission4, Haitian pastor Frantz Lacombe identified a ‘dependence mentality’ in the leadership of the Haitian church, which resulted from the way the Christian faith was brought to the country, historically and through various denominations. Apparently, this unfortunate manner of thinking, which tends to emulate the worldview and culture of North American and European Christian missionaries, has permeated the general philosophy of the Haitian church on many levels, including church planting, church management, music and even missionary activities.

      In that context, I would not be surprised if the satanic pact idea (followed by the divine curse message) was put together first by foreign missionaries and later on picked up by local leaders.

      On the other hand, it is equally possible that some Haitian church leaders developed the idea on their own using a theological framework borrowed from those same missionaries who subsequently propagated the message around the world. Either way, because of this message, Haiti has been portrayed as the country born out of Satan’s benevolence and goodwill toward mankind. Shouldn’t such a fantastic idea be tested for its historic validity and theological soundness? I invite you to take with me a closer and possibly different look at the available records. (link)

      But in my opinion his greatest wrong was in classifying sins [and sinners] to his listeners, as some being worse then others.

  9. Your comments was well said!

    Yes – we need to help the people, but tell them to repent as well.

  10. Lets pray for preacher Pat Robertson So that he can come out from such mind.
    We must pray for Haitian So that they over such a massive disaster.

    • Amen Dr. Keith, let us pray for both. Thank you for the reminder–sometimes these topics can go far-afield of whats really important.

  11. He must have gotten his info from Wikipedia.

    “Historians traditionally identify the catalyst to revolution as a particular Vodou ceremony in August 1791 performed at Bois Caïman by Dutty Boukman, a priest”

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haitian_Revolution

    I guess this would not be the first time historians disagreed.

    “For several years the slaves had been deserting their plantations with increasing frequency. The numbers of maroons had swollen dramatically and all that was needed was some spark to ignite the pent up frustration, hatred and impulse toward independence.

    This event was a Petwo Voodoo service. On the evening of August 14th Dutty Boukman, a houngan and practitioner of the Petwo Voodoo cult, held a service at Bois Caiman. A woman at the service was possessed by Ogoun, the Voodoo warrior spirit. She sacrificed a black pig, and speaking the voice of the spirit, named those who were to lead the slaves and maroons to revolt and seek a stark justice from their white oppressors.”

    http://www.webster.edu/~corbetre/haiti/history/revolution/revolution1.htm

  12. As for evil sources at work on the streets of Port au Prince or in every place in Haiti, I can attest to it personally.

    As for the blessings upon the Dominican Republic I also can attest to that personally.

    What I will say is this, the evil forces are equally at work in both countries.

    I am struck though by the Word of God when I consider the differences in these two countries, yet one island:

    Psa 46:1 To the choirmaster. Of the Sons of Korah. According to Alamoth. A Song. God is our refuge and strength, a very present help in trouble.
    Psa 46:2 Therefore we will not fear though the earth gives way, though the mountains be moved into the heart of the sea,
    Psa 46:3 though its waters roar and foam, though the mountains tremble at its swelling. Selah
    Psa 46:4 There is a river whose streams make glad the city of God, the holy habitation of the Most High.
    Psa 46:5 God is in the midst of her; she shall not be moved; God will help her when morning dawns.
    Psa 46:6 The nations rage, the kingdoms totter; he utters his voice, the earth melts.
    Psa 46:7 The LORD of hosts is with us; the God of Jacob is our fortress. Selah
    Psa 46:8 Come, behold the works of the LORD, how he has brought desolations on the earth.
    Psa 46:9 He makes wars cease to the end of the earth; he breaks the bow and shatters the spear; he burns the chariots with fire.
    Psa 46:10 “Be still, and know that I am God. I will be exalted among the nations, I will be exalted in the earth!”
    Psa 46:11 The LORD of hosts is with us; the God of Jacob is our fortress. Selah

    And more to the point with regard to Pat Robertson::::>

    Pro 9:10 The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom: and the knowledge of the holy is understanding.
    Pro 9:11 For by me thy days shall be multiplied, and the years of thy life shall be increased.
    Pro 9:12 If thou be wise, thou shalt be wise for thyself: but if thou scornest, thou alone shalt bear it.

    and

    Pro 14:33 Wisdom rests in the heart of a man of understanding, but it makes itself known even in the midst of fools.
    Pro 14:34 Righteousness exalts a nation, but sin is a reproach to any people.

    Who is to say this was not the Hand of God upon that nation?

    As I recall, watching some of the reports yesterday, the Dominican Republic was also hit with the same earthquake at the exact same time.

    Hmmmmm?

    So the question is, why so much devastation on one side of an imaginary line on the same Island?

    Doesn’t add up except when you take to heart the Scriptures both as a general rule for us all and as a specific rule for us specifically:

    Isa 11:10 And in that day there shall be a root of Jesse, which shall stand for an ensign of the people; to it shall the Gentiles seek: and his rest shall be glorious.
    Isa 11:11 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the Lord shall set his hand again the second time to recover the remnant of his people, which shall be left, from Assyria, and from Egypt, and from Pathros, and from Cush, and from Elam, and from Shinar, and from Hamath, and from the islands of the sea.

    and

    Isa 13:11 And I will punish the world for their evil, and the wicked for their iniquity; and I will cause the arrogancy of the proud to cease, and will lay low the haughtiness of the terrible.
    Isa 13:12 I will make a man more precious than fine gold; even a man than the golden wedge of Ophir.
    Isa 13:13 Therefore I will shake the heavens, and the earth shall remove out of her place, in the wrath of the LORD of hosts, and in the day of his fierce anger.

    and finally to come back to the plea for prayers for Haiti in this dark and long night of her anguishing soul, with intercessions and supplications now that the deed has come:::>

    Isa 59:16 And he saw that there was no man, and wondered that there was no intercessor: therefore his arm brought salvation unto him; and his righteousness, it sustained him.
    Isa 59:17 For he put on righteousness as a breastplate, and an helmet of salvation upon his head; and he put on the garments of vengeance for clothing, and was clad with zeal as a cloke.
    Isa 59:18 According to their deeds, accordingly he will repay, fury to his adversaries, recompence to his enemies; to the islands he will repay recompence.
    Isa 59:19 So shall they fear the name of the LORD from the west, and his glory from the rising of the sun. When the enemy shall come in like a flood, the Spirit of the LORD shall lift up a standard against him.

    “LORD JESUS, YOU ARE OUR SAVIOR, YOU ALONE. GRANT FAVOR AND HOPE TO YOUR OWN PEOPLE THERE IN HAITI RIGHT NOW GIVING SELFLESSLY TO THE NEEDS OF THE POOR. THIS YOU CAN DO AS YOU CAN DO THE OTHER WITH YOUR HANDS

    THIS I PRAY IN THE MATCHLESS NAME OF THE STANDARD FOR THE NATIONS

    AMEN”

    • As I recall, watching some of the reports yesterday, the Dominican Republic was also hit with the same earthquake at the exact same time.

      Hmmmmm?

      So the question is, why so much devastation on one side of an imaginary line on the same Island?

      Michael, we could also apply that to members of the same family and ask the same question: why is it some members of a family seem to always be blessed, but others, in the same family suffer what seems to be continuous serious illnesses, or a long line of personal tragedies.

      That’s an especially interesting question if you can say the blessed group are lost, and the sufferers are born again believers.

      It seems to me the only answer is we can’t go by the lack of, or the amount of suffering, poverty or personal tragedy in determining if something is God’s judgment or even his displeasure with a person, family or geographical area.

      “LORD JESUS, YOU ARE OUR SAVIOR, YOU ALONE. GRANT FAVOR AND HOPE TO YOUR OWN PEOPLE THERE IN HAITI RIGHT NOW GIVING SELFLESSLY TO THE NEEDS OF THE POOR. THIS YOU CAN DO AS YOU CAN DO THE OTHER WITH YOUR HANDS

      THIS I PRAY IN THE MATCHLESS NAME OF THE STANDARD FOR THE NATIONS

      AMEN”

      Amen Michael!

    • Bill, i read that [elsewhere] tonight also.. (can’t recall where now)

      I also read at Christianity Today blog, a copy of this prayer which Boukman Dutty was supposed to have prayed. I’ll post it, with the link, but can’t claim to know if its factual or not:

      “The god who created the earth; who created the sun that gives us light. The god who holds up the ocean; who makes the thunder roar. Our God who has ears to hear. You who are hidden in the clouds; who watch us from where you are. You see all that the white has made us suffer. The white man’s god asks him to commit crimes. But the god within us wants to do good. Our god, who is so good, so just, He orders us to revenge our wrongs. It’s He who will direct our arms and bring us the victory. It’s He who will assist us. We all should throw away the image of the white men’s god who is so pitiless. Listen to the voice for liberty that speaks in all our hearts.”

      Here is another translation from Written in Blood, (Heinl) in their book Written in Blood:

      Good Lord who hath made the sun that shines upon us, that riseth from the sea, who maketh the storm to roar; and governeth the thunders, The Lord is hidden in the heavens, and there He watcheth over us. The Lord seeth what the blancs have done. Their god commandeth crimes, ours giveth blessings upon us. The Good Lord hath ordained vengeance. He will give strength to our arms and courage to our hearts. He shall sustain us. Cast down the image of the god of the blancs, because he maketh the tears to flow from our eyes. Hearken unto Liberty that speaketh now in all your hearts.

      http://blog.christianitytoday.com/ctliveblog/archives/2010/01/pat_robertson_h.html

  13. You said “sometimes it’s better to be silent.” I was just thinking that exact same thing at work today when I thought about what Pat Robertson said. God have mercy!

    • Robin, sometimes it is better to stay silent. I would rather stay silent then jump to a wrong conclusion. I’ve not always done that, and its caused me to speak out recklessly in the past. Hopefully im getting better at thinking first.. LOL

  14. The whole line of thinking implied by Pat Robertson reeks of the concept of the “prosperity gospel”. It directly measures Christian “spirituality” by things like health, financial success, etc. I categorically reject that notion and that is why I regard the kind of statements like this made by Pat Robertson and others as misguided and shameful. These kinds of statements contribute NOTHING to bringing souls to Christ and, in fact, probably make the task on the ground of sharing the good news even more difficult as ministers of the gospel are viewed as the enemy as a result of these kinds of statements. Perhaps these events ARE the judgement of God. Only God himself really knows for sure. But even if they are, it is God’s business to speak through them. The word of God calls for us to preach the Good News and to urge the pagans to “save themselves from this wicked generation”. If anyone here abouts, can point out New Testament preaching in the scripture which pivots on some natural disaster in order to win souls, I would like to know about that. Share it so we can all benefit by it. When certain individuals cited the twin towers disaster as God’s judgement on America they were tarred and feathered and rightfully so.

    • George, i agree with everything you wrote.

      These kinds of statements contribute NOTHING to bringing souls to Christ and, in fact, probably make the task on the ground of sharing the good news even more difficult as ministers of the gospel are viewed as the enemy as a result of these kinds of statements. Perhaps these events ARE the judgement of God. Only God himself really knows for sure. But even if they are, it is God’s business to speak through them.

      Amen…

  15. 34 people just quit The 700 Club.
    It’s now the 666 Club.

  16. Such a tragedy. How can we do anything except ask God for help, to intervene, to bring these poor people to salvation?? And what about the rest of the world. All of it is fallen. No, I don’t think this man is correct and I am sick of hearing claims like these – God judged this and that. Ugh. These poor people who have lost entire families, who are without food or water, or toilet, with the dead rotting by the minute in the heat. We all need God desperately! I don’t think PR would appreciate a comment like this if his studio suddenly fell flat and people he loved were trapped or died. The lack of true compassion disgusts me.

  17. Oh a lighter note – I love your little cartoon there at the top. Hilarious!

  18. Pat Robertson is a Pharisee. In the Gospels, Jesus took a dim view of the Pharisees. Robertson’s arrogance crosses the line to narcissism. His arrogant comments, couched in piousness, so often follow tragedies in the news. He is not our Father’s spiritual leader or a prophet, just an angry, self-serving man spewing negative rhetoric and hatred.

    • Lee, i’ve never gotten the impression Pat is an angry person.

      I think he doesn’t use wisdom, and just says whatever pops into his head! Regretfully so, like in this instance.

      His arrogant comments, couched in piousness, so often follow tragedies in the news.

      Yes, that’s true; I don’t know if he feels he has to be first to say something or what–but he has publicly made these type of statements in the past concerning other disasters.

  19. PJ,

    The prayer you mentioned is documented. It was a prayer to the voodoo god Damballa. Important to note that voodoo is a mixture of african witchcraft and Roman Catholicism.

    I have ready access to a rather well stocked university library. I have searched through at least 10 books which mention Bouckmans voodoo ceremony, and not a single one even mentions a 200 year pact.

    The ceremony did involve, at least, the ritual sacrifice of a black pig and drinking the warm blood of the same. Some account seem to embellish and add a goat and a gazelle, and at least two account feature a virgin who dies after drinking a potion.

    Much of what is written is as accurate as the George Washington cherry tree story.

    This type of ceremony is called by some anthropologists a “Dahomean blood pact”. Again, no indication if that comes with a standard 200 year term, or if it is renewable..

    The ceremony dates back to 1791. Independence was attained in 1804.

    The 200 year pact is sourced to a YWAMer named Brian Shipley. YWAM is in really deep with this “spiritual mapping” stuff, but there is no way to give the 200 year pact aspect any credibility when it is missing from all academic histories. NO one can state just what it was. Maybe the Lord just told them.

    In 2004 there were large groups from the US that travelled to Haiti to wage “spiritual warfare” and some reports indicate that they were able to stop the renewal of the pact. On the other hand, in 2003, Haiti’s government gave voodoo official recognition, which could be contsrued as a contract extension (option to renew).

    Earlier, on the anniversary date in August of 1961, “Papa Doc” Duvalier’s cabinet had a voodoo ceremony where once again they drank warm pigs blood.

    We cannot know for certain if there was a pact per se. If no pact, how can anyone say it expired in 2004?

    There is no doubt that just as the US has Christian foundations – which many say brings God’s blessing – that Haiti has voodoo foundations. Its much worse than you can possibly imagine.

    Let’s hope that mission agencies can not only bring physical relief but also spiritual help.

  20. Our Father has a knack of using all things for His good even if they seem stupid. While I disagree with Pat being so vocal especially at this time, I’ll bet that there have been some very good conversations to non-believers over this story. My wife’s brother for one is not a believer and e-mailed her to ask about the Robertson story. My wife was able to share a very compelling gospel presentation about our Father with him and they have been e-mailing back and forth ever sense. Who know how things get used by the Lord by those who are sensitive to his spirit.
    A very good article forwarded to me about all of this is found here. Well said I think.
    http://www.crosswalk.com/blogs/DBurchett/11624930/

  21. well, NOW I’m offended!!!

    Actor Danny Glover believes that the Haitian earthquake was caused by climate change and global warming:

    http://blogs.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/timblair/index.php/dailytelegraph/comments/pact_with_gaia/

  22. umm I find this to be fake because if you read history and what actually happens.. the ones that are sent to do the revolutionary is Toussiant L’ouverture who is, in fact a Roman Catholic who firmly believed in Jesus Christ. Sooo.. it just seems contradicting that a jesus follower gets into this some sort of pact.

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