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Might the Evangelical Church be on the Verge of a Gay Awakening?


A very thought provoking post from Mike Ratliff at Possessing the Treasure

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This ministry exists solely by the grace of God. I do not depend on donations or advertisers to keep things going. I work for a living and this site is maintained on WordPress.com so it is free. I spend time and prayer and effort in it of course, but I do not depend upon the financial support of others to keep things going. However, I have friends who minister full time and those who depend upon advertisers to keep their radio shows on the air, et cetera always have that threat of having that money pulled away as pressure comes to bear for various reasons. I heard from a friend today who lost two advertisers who told him they had received numerous complaints about his stance on homosexuality in the church and so they were pulling their advertising dollars from his ministry. Of course, those very same people who were calling in the complaints also hacked into his web site and did major damage to it. All of this was done by certain people who claim to be Christians that insist on the unconditional love of Jesus for all. I guess that love only goes to those who support their agenda of gay affirmation in the visible church.

Carefully read this disgusting piece from The Huffington Post.

As we have been studying about for months my brethren, just calling oneself a Christian does not make you one. As we saw in yesterday’s post, Not All of You Are Clean, Judas Iscariot looked just like the rest of our Lord’s disciples and our Lord even washed his feet, but that did not change the fact that he was an imposter and betrayed our Lord. If you read that piece from The Huffington Post and still believe that Jay Bakker is not a heretic then please tell me why not. I actually look at this as the opening explosion in a Tsunami of open confessions from the supposed Evangelical community of Gay Affirmations as well as those who profess to be both Christian and Homosexual. (full message)

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6 comments on “Might the Evangelical Church be on the Verge of a Gay Awakening?

  1. While much of the church has, indeed, long obsessed over this particular sin, the pressure to overlook this particular sin is ever increasing. And those who wish to have this particular sin overlooked are continually trying to leverage the past over obsession with it to their advantage. But overlooking sin benefits no one. Not only is overlooking sin, *any* sin, a curse to the church, but it is also a curse to the very ones practicing that sin. It is, in short, a ticket to hell, because that is where the Bible teaches that people who practice sin will end. And that is NOT what grace is about. Grace is rather about a God who loves everyone to the degree that He gave His Son that all people might be, not only forgiven of sin, *but* delivered from the bondage of sin. To overlook and attempt to relabel sin is to condemn people to the bondage of their sin and make a mockery of their professed faith. Jay Bakker IS a heretic, but he is more than that. Jay Bakker is what the Bible refers to as a “wolf in sheep’s clothing”, a deceiver who would subvert the words of scripture with his own lascivious and convenient private interpretation. His assertions that Christians were late to the party with slavery and discrimination are absolute bunk. They ironically assume that all who call themselves Christians ARE. The reality is that REAL Christians were on the front lines in ridding the world of these travesties. And these same REAL Christians, while they reject the hateful abuse of gay people, at the same time, will stand fast on the Word of God and the tradition of the church handed down from its founding and REFUSE to accept a reinterpretation of scripture and of history that attempts to sanctify homosexual behavior. Gay people are winning their quest to achieve state sanctioned homosexual marriage, but mark my words, God is not mocked. Neither the approval of the apostate church, nor the approval of government will bring the blessing of God on their lives. The blessing of God is only for those who submit their lives to the Lord Jesus Christ and the teachings of His Word. There are no short cuts to glory. It is all grace, but in order to receive it, we must first die to the world and to the lusts of the flesh, whatever they may be and they are present in all of us. Attempts to try and justify sin are everywhere in the church and homosexuality is just one example of many. We must stand firm and reject all of these appeals to accept corruption in the body of the Lord.

    • While much of the church has, indeed, long obsessed over this particular sin, the pressure to overlook this particular sin is ever increasing. And those who wish to have this particular sin overlooked are continually trying to leverage the past over obsession with it to their advantage.

      George that’s very true. We are a people of extremes. In this instance, it’s coming back to haunt us.

      For some time there has been a sharp increase in the public (very vocal) condemnation of the sin of homosexual behavior….in most instances, presenting it as a ‘worse’ sin then other sins. Personally, i think that was a mistake. After all, sin is sin, and any sin continually practiced and not repented for, ends with the loss of a soul.

      Jay Bakker IS a heretic, but he is more than that. Jay Bakker is what the Bible refers to as a “wolf in sheep’s clothing”, a deceiver who would subvert the words of scripture with his own lascivious and convenient private interpretation.

      Amen, i totally agree.

      R.C. Sproul wrote about private interpretation of scripture. I posted it back in 07, and would like to add the link.

      How to Respond to “That’s Your Interpretation”

      Sadly we are seeing this more and more…

  2. If ANYONE around here thinks that PJ and I have been a little harsh on Jay Bakker, I would suggest that you read Romans chapter one in its entirety. Reading Romans chapter one in full context pretty much exposes Jay Bakker’s shallow attempt to rewrite scripture for what it is. It also gives a pretty good insight into God’s view regarding homosexual behavior.

    ON the other side of this issue, however, I would be very quick to add that I believe that the Bible is also clear in distinguishing how we treat people claiming to be believers from how we treat people outside of the church. As a Christian I believe that I have a duty before God to treat Gay people outside of the church with respect and dignity as fellow human beings just as I would treat any other type of sinner. I am NOT to categorize and attempt to “rate” sinners based on their subset of besetting sins. As a Christian, my concern is NOT to be about a non-believer’s sins, rather it is to be about their potential salvation. And that does not come by focusing on their sins, but rather by penetrating their hearts with the good news that ALL sins but one are already forgiven. Only the rejection of the one God sent brings condemnation. Our mission outside of the church is to reflect the love of God to all we encounter, including those who may be engaged in a homosexual lifestyle. Within the church, however, we are to renounce all sins, no matter how small or how great and even if we or our friends or blood family within the body find ourselves somehow tempted or contaminated by them.

  3. I came across your website yesterday, as I was searching for information related to Morningstar ministries. I appreciated the words I found. However, as I clicked on your home page, I was bothered by this piece of writing. All sins are equal in God’s site, as we know. As we also know, a pattern of sin is harder to break. Yes, homosexuality is wrong, as is pride, as is pride, as is pride. Lately, I have just been reminded more and more that we are nothing without God. I think we should fight for purity in society, as that is an obvious problem. I teach at risk 9th graders and see the effects of broken homes every day. However, I also see the effects of pride and righteousness among Christians just as much. God called us to do one thing above all else. I can only write this to you, because I have been someone who has not shown love in the appropriate ways. The greatest commandment is to love God, and then to love our neighbors as ourselves, and that includes homosexuals. It does not condone any behaviors, it simply asks us to emphasize being an example of purity and life and faith and speech. I think the more we concentrate on our own actions and speech, the more those will speak far greater words than simply speaking down about a group of wonderful people who are struggling and need our love more than empty excommunicating words. I am no better than anyone on you, a homosexual, or anyone on this earth. I just felt led to share this. You might like looking at this website:
    http://www.exodusinternational.org/. Also, you may want to read this book: Loving Homosexuals as Jesus Would, by Chad Thompson. It grew me a lot. I’d recommend it.

  4. I watched Bakker on youtube at Grace Church http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s30ZKjNfRlU&feature=player_embedded

    http://defendingcontending.com/2010/01/28/jay-bakker-and-the-art-of-manipulation/

    As soon as I started watching I felt ill, before he got into his pro-gay rant. I had never seen him prior to and was unable to watch the whole 2 1/2 mins lol.
    Living in Sodom is difficult.

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