Family Radio Founder Harold Camping Repents

With his speech sounding somewhat slurred and labored, Family Radio Stations Inc. founder and chairman Harold Camping sought to address in a recent message why Christ failed to return on Oct. 21 as the Bible teacher had predicted. Camping confessed, after decades of falsely misleading his followers, that he was wrong and regrets his misdeeds.

In addition to attempting to correct his erroneous teachings on the Rapture and God’s day of final judgment on the world, Camping, 90, also confessed that he was wrong to claim that God had stopped saving people after May 21 – the date which God’s so-called “spiritual” judgment had begun.

This is undoubtedly a radical shift for Camping, who has staunchly claimed since 1992 that he had discovered a special numerical system in the Bible that allowed him to calculate the exact dates of certain events, such as the Great Flood, the Crucifixion and the day of Jesus Christ’s return to Earth. (More)

What Will the Church Do With Such A Man?

Coming upon these two related posts at 5 Pt. Salt last evening, did cause me to stop and think…

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Suppose, for a moment, that there is a preacher who is teaching that after Christ Jesus comes again, you will have time for repentance and you can be saved from the eternal, and just, wrath of God for rejecting the Gospel offered through His Son, Jesus Christ.

What would you think of such a man?

If it were in your means to do anything, what would you do? Would you tell others about this preacher? Would you warn others that what he is proclaiming is not in accord with the Word of God? Or, would you admire and praise him and his books, and laud him with praises for his long-time service to the Church?

What should the Church do with such a man? There’s a question.

The Bible is quite clear that repentance has a time limit, specifically, that opportunity for repentance and salvation ends the very moment Christ Jesus appears. In fact, Scripture stresses that today, quite literally, is the season for repentance, over and over again.

Do not boast about tomorrow, for you do not know what a day may bring. – Proverbs 27:1

“Seek the LORD while he may be found; call upon him while he is near; let the wicked forsake his way, and the unrighteous man his thoughts; let him return to the LORD, that he may have compassion on him, and to our God, for he will abundantly pardon. For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, declares the LORD. – Isaiah 55:6-8

For he says, “In a favorable time I listened to you, and in a day of salvation I have helped you.” Behold, now is the favorable time; behold, now is the day of salvation. – 2 Corinthians 6:2

Since therefore it remains for some to enter it, and those who formerly received the good news failed to enter because of disobedience, again he appoints a certain day, “Today,” saying through David so long afterward, in the words already quoted, “Today, if you hear his voice, do not harden your hearts.” – Hebrews 4:6-7 

Since before the canon of Scripture was closed, it has been a clear message from God, to man, that today, the present moment, is the day of salvation, and there is no later time promised. You may die tonight. If that’s the case, it’s too late for repentance. Scripture is clear.

In the New Testament, it’s made clear that when the Son of God, Jesus, returns again, it is too late for repentance and salvation. There will be none to be had. Only a fearful expectation of judgment.

So, back to the original question, what would you think of a preacher who promises people otherwise? What would you think of a man who basically says, “Don’t worry about the second coming of Christ. When He comes again, you’ll see the error of your ways, you can, and will, repent when you see the Lord coming, and be saved from eternal punishment”?  (continued here)

Also See: 5 Reasons No One Will Rebuke John MacArthur

Do You Love Me?

 One day, I woke early in the morning to watch the sunrise. Ah! … the beauty of God’s creation is beyond description. As I watched, I praised God for His beautiful work. As I sat there, I felt the Lord’s presence with me. He asked me, “Do you love me?” I answered, “Of course, God! You are my Lord and Saviour!”

Then He asked, “If you were physically handicapped, would you still love me?”

I was perplexed. I looked down upon my arms, legs and the rest of my body and wondered how many things I wouldn’t be able to do and thought about the things that I take for granted. I answered, “It would be tough Lord, but I would still love You.”

Then the Lord said, “If you were blind, would you still love my creation?”

How could I love something without being able to see it? Then I thought of all the blind people in the world and how many of them still loved God and His creation. So I answered, “It’s hard to think of it, but I would still love you.”

The Lord then asked me, “If you were deaf, would you still listen to my word?”

How could I listen to anything being deaf? Then I understood. Listening to God’s Word is not merely using our ears, but our hearts. I answered, “It would be tough, but I would still listen to Your word.”

The Lord then asked, “If you were mute, would you still praise My Name?”

How could I praise without a voice? Then it occurred to me, God wants us to sing from our very hearts and souls. It never matters what we sound like. And praising God is not always with a song, but when we are persecuted, we give God praise with our words of thanks. So I answered, “Though I could not physically sing, I would still praise Your Name.”

And the Lord asked, “Do you really love Me?”

With courage and a strong conviction, I answered boldly, “Yes Lord! I love You because You are the one and true God!”

I thought I had answered well, but God asked, “Then why do you sin?” I answered, “Because I am only human. I am not perfect.”

“Then why in times of peace do you stray the furthest? Why only in times of trouble do you pray the earnest?”

I had no answers … only tears.

The Lord continued. “Why only sing at fellowships and retreats? Why seek Me only in times of worship? Why ask things so selfishly? Why ask things so unfaithfully?” The tears continued to roll down my cheeks.

“Why are you ashamed of Me? Why are you not spreading the good news? Why in times of persecution, you cry to others when I offer My shoulder to cry on? Why make excuses when I give you opportunities to serve in My Name?. You are blessed with life. I made you not to throw this gift away. I have blessed you with talents to serve Me, but you continue to turn away. I have revealed My Word to you, but you do not gain in knowledge. I have spoken to you but your ears were closed. I have shown My blessings to you, but your eyes were turned away. I have heard your prayers and I have answered them all. Do you truly love me?”

I could not answer. How could I? I was embarrassed beyond belief. I had no excuse. What could I say to this? When my heart had cried out and the tears had flowed, I said, “Please forgive me Lord. I am unworthy to be Your child.”

The Lord answered, “That is My Grace, My child.”

I asked, “Then why do you continue to forgive me? Why do You love me so?”

The Lord answered, ” Because you are My creation. You are my child. I will never abandon you. When you cry, I will have compassion and cry with you. When you shout with joy, I will laugh with you. When you are down, I will encourage you. When you fall, I will raise you up. When you are tired, I will carry you. I will be with you until the end of days, and I will love you forever.”

Never had I cried so hard before. How could I have been so cold? How could I have hurt God as I had done?

I asked God, “How much do You love me?”

The Lord stretched out His arms, and I saw His nail-pierced hands.  

– author unknown 

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Tea Party Nation Urges Businesses To Stop Hiring

What a country we Americans live in today. People have lost their minds..

 Tea Party Nation sent to their members a message from activist Melissa Brookstone urging businesspeople to “not hire a single person” to protest the Obama administration’s supposed “war against business and my country.” Brookstone writes that business owners should stop hiring new employees in order to stand up to “this new dictator,” the “global Progressive socialist movement,” Hollywood, the media and Occupy Wall Street. (more, Tea Party Nation Urges Businesses To Stop Hiring In Order To Hurt Obama)

Now, Tea Party Nation president Judson Phillips is responding to the inevitable backlash. In an email today, Phillips writes that the boycott was just one idea of many from Tea Party members and accuses those who have decried the idea of trying to stifle free speech. The progressive backlash to Brookstone’s proposal, Phillips writes, proves that “liberalism is incompatible with liberty”

Tea Party Nation also sent a rambling message about the controversy from Brookstone herself, who claims that her article (which can be read here in its entirety) was taken “out of context” and that the “socialist left” raised “a literal crap storm aimed at me.” She goes on to say that now she is a victim of terrorism and that the left “seeks only to control and enslave all of humanity, as its grand goal” (more, Tea Party Nation Responds To Hiring Boycott Uproar)

Reminds me of the saying about cutting off one’s nose to spite one’s face. Hatred is a powerful thing. 

C. H. Spurgeon: False Professors Solemnly Warned

Delivered on Sabbath Evening, August 24, 1856, by the Rev. C. H. Spurgeon At Exeter Hall, Strand

“For many walk, of whom I have told you often, and now tell you even weeping, that they are the enemies of the cross of Christ: Whose end is destruction, whose God is their belly, and whose glory is in their shame, who mind earthly things.”—Philippians 3:18-19.

 There are many now among us, as there were then, who walk in such a manner that we recognize them at once as the “enemies of the cross of Christ.” I do fear that the evil, instead of having decreased, has multiplied and grown in danger. We have more profession now than there was in the age of Paul, and consequently we have mere hypocrisy.

It is a crying sin with our churches that there are many in their midst who never ought to be there, who would be fit members of an ale-house or any favorite resort of the gay and frivolous, but who never ought to sip the sacramental wine or eat the holy bread, the emblems of the sufferings of our Lord. We have — O Paul, how wouldst thou have said it to night, and how wouldst thou have wept while saying it! — we have many in our midst who are the “enemies of the cross of Christ,” because “their God is their belly, they mind earthly things,” and their life is not consistent with the great things of God.

I never read that the apostle wept when he was persecuted Though they ploughed his back with furrows, I do believe that never a tear was seen to gush from his eye while the soldiers scourged him. Though he was cast into prison, we read of his singing, never of his groaning. I do not believe he ever wept on account of any sufferings or dangers to which he himself was exposed for Christ’s sake. I call this an extraordinary sorrow, because the man who wept was no soft piece of sentiment, and seldom shed a tear even under grievous trials. He wept for three things: he wept on account of their guilt; on account of the ill effects of their conduct; and on account of their doom.

First, Paul wept on account of the GUILT of those persons who, having a name to live, were dead, and while uniting themselves with a Christian church, were not walking as they should do among men and before God.

There were those in the early church who, after they sat at God’s table, would go away and sit at the feasts of the heathen, and there indulge in gluttony and drunkenness; others indulged in lusts of the flesh, enjoying those pleasures (so miscalled) which, afterwards, bring unutterable pain even to the body itself, and are disgraceful to men, much more to professors of religion. Their God was their belly. They cared more about the dress of their body than the dress of their soul; they regarded more the food of the outward carcass than the life of the inner man. Ah! my hearers; are there not many everywhere in our churches who still bow before their belly-god, and make themselves their own idols? Is it not notorious, in almost every society, that professing men can pamper themselves as much as others?

Have we not some in our churches (it is idle to deny it) who are as fond of the excesses of the table and of surfeit in the good things of this life as any other class of men? Have we not persons who spend a very fortune upon the dress of their bodies, adorning themselves far more than they adorn the doctrine of their Savior; men whose perpetual business it is to take good care of their bodies, against whom flesh and blood never had any cause to complain, for they not only serve the flesh, but make a god of it?

Ah! sirs, the church is not pure; the church is not perfect; we have scabbed sheep in the flock. In our own little communion, now and then, we find them out, and then comes the dread sentence of excommunication, by which they are cut off from our fellowship; but there are many of whom we are not aware, who creep like snakes along the grass, and are not discovered till they inflict a grievous wound upon religion, and do damage to our great and glorious cause.

Another of their sins was that they did mind earthly things.

Beloved, the last sentence may not have touched your consciences, but this is a very sweeping assertion, and I am afraid that a very large proportion of Christ’s church are verily guilty here. It is an anomaly, but it is a fact, that we hear of ambitious Christians, although Christ has told us that he who would be exalted must humble himself.

There are among the professed followers of the humble Man of Galilee, men who strive to gain the topmost round of the ladder of this world; whose aim is, not to magnify Christ, but to magnify themselves at any hazard.

It had been thought at one time that a Christian would be a holy, a humble, and contented man; but it is not so now-a-days. We have (Oh, shame, ye churches!) mere professors; men who are as worldly as the worldliest, and have no more of Christ’s Holy Spirit in them than the most carnal who never made a profession of the truth.

Again, it is a paradox, but it stares us in the face every day, that we have covetous Christians. It is an inconsistency. We might as well talk of unholy seraphim, of perfect beings subject to sin, as of covetous Christians; yet there are such men, whose purse strings were never intended to slide, at least at the cry of the poor; who call it prudence to amass wealth, and never use it in any degree in the cause of Christ. If you want men that are hard in business, that are grasping after wealth, that seize upon the poor debtor and suck the last particle of his blood; if you want the men who are grasping and grinding, that will skin the flint, and take away the very life from the orphan, you must come—I blush to say it, but it is a solemn truth—you must come sometimes to our churches to find them.

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God Stopped Saving People in May, Family Radio Says

Family Radio, the platform Harold Camping uses to publish and promote his refuted Bible teachings, informed the world when its general manager and chairman’s May 21 doomsday prediction was a “physical” failure, that God actually used that much-publicized event “to warn the whole world that on May 21 [His] salvation program would be finished on that day.”

According to Camping and Family Radio, from May 21 until now, the whole world has been “under God’s judgment.” Everyone, except for the elect, or “true believers” (those who agree with Camping’s teachings), has been hanging under God’s wrath, which will unfold on Oct. 21.

God was only trying to shake up the world when He “hid” His actual plans from Camping, Family Radio purports in a document published on its website titled “What Happened on May 21?”

Although observers and critics agree that what happened on May 21 was Camping actually proving himself once more to be a poor student of the Bible, the California broadcaster insists that he still had it right, but that God had not been very forthcoming with sharing His judgment plans.

The Family Radio document claims that, to get the world’s attention, “God withheld from the true believers the way in which two phrases were to be understood. Had He not done so, the world would never have been shaken in fear as it was.”

The two phrases Family Radio refers to are “the completion of God’s salvation program” and “God’s final judgment.”

The unsaved were not plunged into hell and believers raptured on May 21 because Camping and Family Radio did not understand what God was doing. Now that they do, unbelievers will enter into eternal punishment and believers into eternal bliss on Oct. 21 – because God has finally opened up the Scripture a little more for Camping.

On May 21, “each and every true believer had become eternally safe with God in Heaven” and “no one who had not become saved by that date can ever become saved.” 

Instead of a “horrible destruction” of the unsaved, as previously explained, unrepentant sinners can now expect to go “quietly” into eternal damnation, according to a September audio message from Camping. Camping has revealed that he now believes “that all of our unsaved loved ones will not receive special vengeance of God at all. … We must believe that probably there will be no pain suffered by anyone because of their rebellion against God.”

The 90-year-old California broadcaster added that he found it comforting that the unsaved will “quietly die.”

If Camping and Family Radio and their supporters hand not “warned” the world of God’s impending doom, more people would not have been saved by May 21. Those who came to belief in Jesus Christ after May 21, however, are out of God’s good graces, according to Camping.

The period of salvation is over, so any new believers with genuine faith in Jesus Christ are essentially damned, based on Family Radio’s explanation. 

Harold Camping Oct. 21 Rapture: God Stopped Saving People in May, Family Radio Says

Words fail me…. 

Quote of the Day…

Presidential candidate Herman Cain, from his 2010 article  “The Perfect Conservative,”

Referring to Jesus:

The liberal court found Him guilty of false offenses and sentenced Him to death….Never before and not since has there ever been such a perfect conservative….For over 2,000 years the world has tried hard to erase the memory of the perfect conservative..

The attacks are disguised as political correctness, or a misunderstanding of the First Amendment to the Constitution. Separation of Church and State does not mean Separation of Church from State…. Our Founders recognized that distinction, which helped to inspire the Declaration of Independence, the Constitution and the founding of this nation – The United States of America! We must be the Defending Fathers and the defenders of the perfect conservative.

Funny, I’ve always had the impression the Pharisees viewed Jesus as a revolutionary. Guess I was wrong….

“Don’t Say Dominionism…

…At Least Not In Front Of The Media”

Nothing sneaky about this group...suuure. If you believe that I have a bridge you may be interested in buying. 

“The goal is not just to have Christians in high places, but rather to have Christians who are called to be in high places step into that role. And wearing a “Christian” label on our sleeve isn’t the point. We need to learn to be “as wise as serpents and harmless as doves” and realize that stealth authority and influence are much preferred over overt authority and influence. A low profile diffuses resistance from the opposition” - (Johnny Enlow, author of “The Seven Mountain Prophecy”)

Stealth: secret, clandestine, or surreptitious procedure. Moving with extreme care and quietness, esp so as to avoid detection.

“This whole idea of taking over, and that language of take over, it doesn’t actually help – it’s good for preaching to the choir, and it’s shorthand if we interpret it right, but it’s very bad for media” – (Lance Wallnau, author of  ”The 7 Mountain Mandate”) 

Article and video here: Wallnau: Don’t Say “Dominionism,” At Least Not In Front Of The Media

Rush Limbaugh: “Obama Invades Uganda, Targets Christians”

I’d love to say a lot right now about Limbaugh’s stupidity and false claim, but frankly folks, none of it would be suitable for it would (all) be of my  flesh. So it’s best to say nothing. 

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RUSH: President Obama has deployed troops to another war, in Africa, ladies and gentlemen…Now, up until today, most Americans have never heard of the combat Lord’s Resistance Army…. Lord’s Resistance Army are Christians. It means God…. Lord’s Resistance Army are Christians… So that’s a new war, a hundred troops to wipe out Christians in Sudan, Uganda, and — (interruption) no, I’m not kidding. (transcript)

Profile and History of Joseph Kony – Leader of the Lord’s Resistance Army (warning: disturbing photos)

The LRA was formed in 1987 and until about 2007 it was engaged in an armed rebellion against the Ugandan government. It is led by Joseph Kony, who proclaims himself the “spokesperson” of God and a spirit medium, primarily of the Holy Spirit, which the group believe can represent itself in many manifestations. The group is based on a number of different beliefs including local religious rituals, mysticism, traditional religion, Acholi nationalism and Christianity and claims to be establishing a theocratic state based on the Ten Commandments and local Acholi tradition The LRA is accused of widespread human rights violations, including murder, abduction, mutilation, sexual enslavement of women and children and forcing children to participate in hostilities… (source)

“It will be the Night of Long Knives…” Glenn Beck, still nuts…

This guy’s rhetoric never changes..

Glenn Beck made several gruesome predictions about where the Occupy Wall Street movement is headed. Speaking on his radio show Monday, Beck made his already-crystal-clear disdain for the protests, which have spread across the U.S…

Beck then made the first of his dark analogies. Saying that the only thing that could control the movement would be a forceful crushing from “the top,” he added,

“It will be the Night of Long Knives. It will be a purging of this country.”

This was a seeming reference to the political murders carried out by the Nazis in 1934. Beck then turned to “capitalists,” and here his warning was even starker and more graphic:

“Capitalists, if you think that you can play footsies with these people, you’re wrong. They will come for you and drag you into the streets and kill you…they’re Marxist radicals…these guys are worse than Robespierre from the French Revolution…they’ll kill everybody.”

Glenn Beck: Occupy Wall Street Protesters Will ‘Kill Everybody’ (VIDEO)

There is No New Thing Under the Sun

After reading the quotes below last night, I could not but think of the words recorded in Ecclesiastes, 

The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun. Is there any thing whereof it may be said, See, this is new? it hath been already of old time, which was before us. (chapter 1: 9,10)

“The ideologists of the conservative revolution superimposed a vision of national redemption upon their dissatisfaction with liberal culture and with the loss of authoritative faith. They posed as the true champions of nationalism, and berated the socialists for their internationalism, and the liberals for their pacifism and their indifference to national greatness.”

“Some people recognized the moral perils of mixing religion and politics, but many more were seduced by it. It was the pseudo-religious transfiguration of politics that largely ensured his success, notably in Protestant areas.”

The Politics of Cultural Despair: A Study in the Rise of the Germanic Ideology, by Fritz Stern; a refugee from Hitler’s Germany and a leading scholar of European history.

About Fritz Stern,

The fascism of Nazi Germany belongs to a world so horrendous it often seems to defy the possibility of repetition or analogy. But Dr. Stern, 78, the author of books like “The Politics of Cultural Despair: A Study in the Rise of the Germanic Ideology” and university professor emeritus at Columbia University, has devoted a lifetime to analyzing how the Nazi barbarity became possible. He stops short of calling the Christian right fascist but his decision to draw parallels, especially in the uses of propaganda, was controversial.

Dr. Stern was a schoolboy in 1933 when Hitler was appointed the German chancellor. He ran home from school that January afternoon clutching a special edition of the newspaper to deliver to his father, a prominent physician. “I was young,” he said, “but I knew it was very bad news.”

The street fighting in his native Breslau (now Wroclaw in Poland) between Communists and Nazis, the collapse of German democracy and the ruthless suppression of all opposition marked his childhood, and were images and experiences that would propel him forward as a scholar. “I saw one of the last public demonstrations against Hitler,” he said. “Men, women and children walked through the street and chanted ‘Hunger! Hunger! Hunger!’ “

His paternal grandparents had converted to Christianity. His parents were baptized at birth, as were Mr. Stern and his older sister. But this did not save the Sterns from persecution.

“Many of my classmates found the organized party experience, which included a heavy dose of flag waving and talk of national strength, very exhilarating,” said Dr. Stern, who lost an aunt and an uncle in the Holocaust. “It was something I never forgot.” ( Warning From a Student of Democracy’s Collapse – New York Times January 6, 2005)

* Stern and the above quotes were mentioned in a book I’m currently reading titled, Kingdom Coming: The Rise of Christian Nationalism

The Sin of Dominionists

Just as Moses was delayed from coming back down the mountain, the people fell back into the idolatry they were just delivered from in Egypt (Exodus 32)…After all they did not know how long he would be on the mountain, 40 days seemed like an eternity and they lost patience.

Likewise in the last days the religious masses will tire of waiting for Jesus’ return and will take things into their own hands saying that this is what God has told us to do.

2 Peter 3:3-9 :  “knowing this first: that scoffers will come in the last days, walking according to their own lusts, and saying, “Where is the promise of His coming? For since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of creation.” For this they willfully forget: that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of water and in the water, by which the world that then existed perished, being flooded with water. But the heavens and the earth which are now preserved by the same word, are reserved for fire until the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men. But, beloved, do not forget this one thing, that with the Lord one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. The Lord is not slack concerning His promise, as some count slackness, but is longsuffering toward us, not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance.”

Oftentimes when we expect to see something take place and it doesn’t, we take things in our own hands (Remember the lesson of Abraham and Hagar). The obvious conclusion: Jesus has not come back, so WE need to do something to make it happen! They are “walking according to their own desires.” Let’s do it for him since He has not returned.

Not realizing judgment (the Day of the Lord) is indeed coming to earth in God’s timing.

Believers are told to not forget “one thing” – the word forget in Greek is lanthano – to be hidden, secretly, unaware, without knowing. In other words, God’s word will still be fulfilled, even with those who intentionally ignore it. But we need to have His perspective and he is very patient, but when he commences to work it can be swift.

The gospel whose purpose is to save ones soul is replaced today with many variations. Some are wanting to save the world or save the environment. But dominionists have something even more insidious for a solution. They believe we don’t have to wait for him to return to set things in order, we can do it by the authority given to the church.

This is why Dominionism goes completely against God’s word, it neglects the declaring of the gospel for methods to “Christianize the world.”

God didn’t send Moses back to Egypt to restructure their worship and convert them to the true God. Instead, He was concerned with his people’s worship and asked for Israel to leave the land to worship him. Eventually He took Israel out permanently and brought them into the Promised Land. Which in type is a picture of the church and saints in heaven.

Christ never attempted to reform the evil culture of His day, he told us we are to be in the world but not if it.

Dominionists do not believe that the Church must wait for the coming of Christ (and) for the Kingdom of God to come to earth, but the church must arise and take her rightful place. They want to take back dominion from Satan and control the world for Christ. “Kingdom now advocates” view anything less than the Church taking over the world before the return of Jesus as defeat.

Do they not read what Jesus said in the gospels or the book of Revelation? To establish the kingdom on earth first so that Christ can return and be king is not instructed.

Jesus never said we would win over the world, but instead would, through preaching the gospel, transfer people from the kingdom of darkness (this fallen world) into the kingdom of light (the kingdom of His Son). The Kingdom of God that now resides in the believer is a moral spiritual influence under Jesus, our Lord and master. However if one goes against his word, the prophecies, can He be their Lord?

*Full article: The Deadly do – rights of Dominionism:  The Religious pursuit of rule and control

Good News/Bad News

First the good news,

October 5, 2011 Wasilla, Alaska

“After much prayer and serious consideration, I have decided that I will not be seeking the 2012 GOP nomination for President of the United States.”

Then the bad,

(But) “In the coming weeks I will help coordinate strategies to assist in replacing the President, re-taking the Senate, and maintaining the House.”

From Sarah Palin, in a letter sent out to her supporters Wednesday evening.

C. Peter Wagner

C. Peter Wagner, head of the New Apostolic Reformation, who has been so controversial in the news lately due to his Dominion teachings, was interviewed by Terry Gross on Monday (10-3-11) for National Public Radio’s “Fresh Air” program.

Article, audio, and summary can all be found at Herescope

Below is one of Wagner’s more bizarre statements;

“…we believe that Jesus is at the right hand of God, the Father – whom heaven must receive until the times of the restoration of all things. And so what we believe is that God has sent us out to restore things to see his kingdom come, his will be done on earth, as it is in heaven. And then when that happens enough, Jesus will return, and he will return to very strong world, reflecting the kingdom of God, and not to a miserable world like much of our world is today”

Israel: Major Victory for Separation of Religion and State

Interesting news item,

Sapir Prize winner Yoram Kaniuk sets legal precedent implying that all Israelis can self-determine their own religious identity

The court ruling last week that granted the writer Yoram Kaniuk the right to be registered with the Interior Ministry as “without religion” rather than as Jewish, is a step in the direction of separation of religion and state. Such is the view of Irit Rosenblum, who heads the New Family organization, which favors making civil marriage more easily available in the country.

Currently Jewish Israelis can only marry other Jews in the country under the auspices of the Orthodox rabbinate. A law was passed last year that allows civil unions and considers them as marriage for all intents and purposes – but only under special, limited circumstances in which both parties are registered as having no religion. The legislation was criticized for not allowing people to marry in a religious ceremony because they are not of the same religion, and for not allowing people who do not want a religious ceremony to get married in Israel.

Each year, about 3,000 Israelis undergo civil marriage ceremonies in Cyprus and a similar number marry in non-Orthodox Jewish ceremonies in the country, says Rosenblum. The fact that the judge in Kaniuk’s case ruled that he can be registered as “without religion” without a burden of proof, could enable thousands of others to apply each year to the courts to receive a declaration that they, too, are without religion and enable them to register as a couple through the civil union provision.

“The court took a giant step toward separation of religion and state,” Rosenblum notes.

“The ruling shows how ridiculous and outrageous the Orthodox monopoly over religious services and population registration is in Israel,” says Yizhar Hess, executive director of the Masorti movement in Israel, which is affiliated with Conservative Judaism.

“It’s absurd,” he adds, “that the state of the Jews is pushing the best of its sons and daughters away from their religion and away from the tradition of living as free people. Israel is the only country in the Western world in which Jews don’t have freedom of religion. Now we are paying the price for this outrageous insensitivity.” (Ruling for Yoram Kaniuk hailed as major victory for separation of state and religion)

From another article,

The author is married to a Christian-American woman, and his grandson is listed as “without religion” since his mother isn’t considered Jewish by the Ministry, the Jerusalem Post points out. Kanuik wanted to be able to share in the same classification by choice, not because of family history. “Israel registers its citizens according to both their religion and their ethnicity, although it does not include an “Israeli” ethnicity, labeling its Jewish citizens as of “Jewish” ethnicity,” the AFP points out. (link)

Henry Gerecke – Chaplain to Nazi war criminals

What a fascinating read!

From WAR AND GRACE – Short biographies from the World Wars, by Don Stephens, published by Evangelical Press, Faverdale North, Darlington, DL3 0PH, England

Visiting condemned men in their cells was nothing new to Henry Gerecke. Much of his early career was devoted to working in prisons. However, the men he went to see in their cells at Nuremberg, Germany, just after midnight on Wednesday, 16 October 1946, were no ordinary prisoners. They were high-ranking Nazis sentenced to be hanged for the vilest crimes. 

He walked with each of the ten condemned men from their cells to the gallows. He heard all their last words. Some expressed thanks and faith. Others stayed defiant to the end, their belief in Hitler still unshaken, even though he was dead. One condemned man even shouted, ‘Heil Hitler!’ on the gallows before taking the final drop into the darkness.

The story of Henry Gerecke is little known and the events of the most important year of his life, November 1945 to November 1946, have been largely overlooked. In that year he acted as spiritual advisor and chaplain to Nazis on trial before the International Military Tribunal at Nuremberg. His own accounts, written soon after the event while memory was fresh, survive in American archives. From these primary sources the following story is compiled. He never asked to be believed. He simply outlined his experiences.

Henry F. Gerecke was born in August 1893, the child of a farmer and his wife living at Gordonville, Missouri, USA. The family was bilingual. Young Henry spoke as much German as English in his early years. The family was very active spiritually. At home he was taught to pray and trust the Bible as the Word of God. The family church was Lutheran, attached to the Missouri Synod. This is a decidedly evangelical body. Its beliefs were not unlike those of the Reformer Martin Luther, with his emphasis on being right with God by personal faith in Christ, rather than by trying to achieve communion with God by accumulating good deeds, even religious good deeds.

After attending a local school during his early years, Henry spent 1913-1918 at St. John’s College, Whitfield, Kansas. Then, in preparation for the ministry, he went to Concordia Seminary in St. Louis. Ordained as a Lutheran pastor in 1926, he served as minister of Christ Lutheran Church, St. Louis, until 1935. In that year he was appointed as executive director of St. Louis Lutheran City Mission.

The chief task was coordinating aid to the underprivileged of St. Louis. The mission was a large organization reaching institutions like hospitals, schools, nursing homes, refuges and jails. Gerecke led it from the front. An account of its work while Gerecke was in charge still exists. This reveals his extensive care and preaching ministry, notably in the city jail, which held murderers as well as other criminals.

Gerecke’s own written rules for the missions work emphasized the need for personal faith. He was interested in ‘soul- winning’, an old expression for spreading the gospel of Christ. His basic advice to the mission’s workers when confronted with the ‘unchurched’ was: ‘Show them Jesus, Saviour from sin.’

Every Saturday for many years, Gerecke broadcast a programme on the local radio station KFUO called Moments of Comfort. Its main target was shut-ins, and those in hospital. A report from the time states, ‘Many souls have been won for heaven.’ It is plain from this evidence that Gerecke had clear-cut confidence that the message of the Bible would bring redemption, hope and comfort to those who responded in faith. ‘Thousands of letters’ received by the mission affirmed the point.

By 17 August 1943 the United States had been at war with Germany and Japan for nearly two years. On that day Henry Gerecke left St. Louis to enter the Chaplains’ School at Harvard. He was one of 253 Lutheran pastors from the Missouri Synod who became chaplains during World War II. After a short time at Fort Jackson, Columbia, in South Carolina, he sailed for England in March 1944. The destination was the US army’s 98th General Hospital, where he served for fourteen months tending the sick and wounded.

After D-Day, 6 June 1944, the trickle of casualties became a flood. In June 1945 he crossed to France with the hospital as it received the wounded brought back from the front lines. A month later the hospital was in Munich.

While in Germany he went to Dachau concentration camp, ‘where my hand, touching a wall, was smeared with the human blood seeping through’. News had already been received that his eldest son Henry, had been ‘ripped apart’, but not killed in the fighting, and that his second son, Carlton, had been severely wounded in the Battle of the Bulge. His youngest son, Roy, had also entered the US army. All in all he had had enough of war and was looking forward to going home. He had not seen his wife Alma for two and a half years, and working with the wounded and dying had been trying and unpleasant.

Then, early in November 1945, Gerecke was called into the office of his commanding officer, Colonel James Sullivan. The fifty-two-year-old Gerecke had been assigned to the 6,850th Internal Security Detachment at Nuremberg.

Why? To serve as spiritual advisor and chaplain to the top Nazi war criminals on trial there. Sullivan offered his opinion that it was the most unpopular assignment around. He told Gerecke that he did not have to go. He encouraged him to use his age as a reason to return to the inactive reserves in America. Gerecke wrote, ‘I almost went home.’ He prayed for guidance. ‘Slowly the men at Nuremberg became to me just lost souls whom I was being asked to help.’ After a few days he gave Colonel Sullivan his decision: ‘I’ll go.’

The US army had selected Gerecke for three reasons: first, he spoke German; secondly, he had extensive experience in prison ministry and, lastly, he was a Lutheran Protestant. Fifteen of the twenty-one Nazis on trial identified themselves as ‘Protestant’. Assisting him would be Roman Catholic chaplain Sixtus O’Connor. Six of the prisoners claimed to be ‘Roman Catholic’. The most senior Nazis of all, such as Hitler, Himmler and Goebbels, had already committed suicide to avoid justice.

As Gerecke looked at the crimes of which the fifteen were accused he felt totally inadequate. ‘How can a pastor, a Missouri farm boy, make any impression on these disciples of Adolf Hitler? How can I approach them? How can I summon the true Christian spirit that this mission demands of a chaplain? He prepared himself by praying ‘harder than I ever had in my life’, so that he could ‘somehow learn to hate the sin but love the sinner’.

The prison block at Nuremberg had three storeys. The Nazis were on the ground floor. There was a broad corridor running its length with cells on both sides. Each cell door had a window at shoulder height. This let down to form a shelf where meals were placed. The window was open at all times for observation. A guard stood at the door of every cell round the clock and was required to look at the prisoner once a minute. Only if there was a breach of discipline was a guard allowed to speak to a prisoner. The waiter who brought the food was not permitted to answer even a greeting. The rest of the building was used for the several hundred witnesses who would give evidence at this trial of the century.

Colonel Burton Andrus, the US commanding officer of the prison, made Gerecke’s task clear. He would be allowed to conduct services for any Protestant Nazi prisoner who wanted to come, and be available for spiritual counsel, but only if invited by the prisoner. Nothing he said or did would influence the outcome of the trial. That was in other hands. It was 12 November 1945 – time to begin work….

Gerecke decided that he would visit each prisoner. That experience provided him with his first impressions of the men on trial. He admitted later, ‘I was terribly frightened.’ There was nothing frightening in a physical sense, because the once all-powerful prisoners were now helpless. It was the nature of their crimes, their connection with the absolute depths of evil, which made Gerecke shudder.

Before going to the cells he made the decision to offer to shake hands with each of the accused. There was no intention of making light of what they had done. Gerecke wanted to be friendly so that his message would not be hindered by a wrong approach. In his 1947 account of his first visit to the cells, Gerecke records that he was criticized for this decision. Presumably his critics did not understand his spiritual motives.

The first cell contained fifty-one-year-old Rudolf Hess, who once had been Hitler’s deputy in the Nazi party. Hess ruled his life by astrology. Gerecke offered his hand….

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American Family Association Targets Radio Hosts Over Association With Critic

The American Family Association has taken aim at fellow religious conservative Brannon Howse over his criticism of the AFA’s recent sponsorship of GOP presidential candidate Rick Perry’s The Response prayer meeting (see, The New Religious Right And Its Threat To The Church).

Earlier this week, Jim Stanley, program director of AFA’s radio network, American Family Radio, sent notices to two talk show hosts who are associated with Howse, informing them that continued presence on the AFA’s radio network was conditioned on severing ties with Howse.

The talk show hosts, John Loeffler and Todd Friel, have shows aired by American Family Radio and also speak at Howse sponsored events. According to Tim Wildmon, president of the AFA, “we identified two people with programs on our networks and told them, ’you have to make a choice.’” In defense of the move, Wildmon said “AFR is under no obligation to run programs of individuals who are going to help Brannon when he is attacking our friends. We make programming decisions all the time.”

Howse heads Worldview Weekend, a socially conservative ministry which espouses similar conservative views as the AFA on culture war issues as abortion and homosexuality. However, Howse charges that religious right leaders have formed improper religious alliances with leaders in the New Apostolic Reformation such as Cindy Jacobs in order to promote a conservative political agenda. About his stance, Howse said,

“Christians must defend the gospel when we believe Christian leaders are giving credibility to what the Bible describes as false teaching. About Wildmon’s concerns, Howse added, “I have avoided naming this radio network or pro-family group and I have avoided naming several of the pro-family groups hoping they would repent.”

more here

The AFA is defending darkness…

“And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved. But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.”  John 3:19-21

Identity Crisis: More Pastors Sign on to Preach Politics From Pulpit

(Earlier post: Evangelical Pastors heed political call for 2012)

This Sunday, more than 400 pastors will be using their pulpits to preach politics and challenge the Internal Revenue Service’s regulations that restrict religious leaders from endorsing candidates and discussing policies with their congregations.

Oct. 2 is Pulpit Freedom Sunday, and this year Alliance Defense Fund and its supporters have quadrupled its participation from last year. Last year, 100 pastors committed to the event, but this year, registration lists are exploding, with 475 pastors who will participate in the event.

On Pulpit Freedom Day, registered pastors are encouraged to videotape themselves speaking to their congregations about the Scripture, politics and political candidates, and mail those videos to the IRS. ADF then stands ready to evaluate IRS complaints and legally represent those churches or ministries whose 501(c)(3) nontaxable status has been threatened in court.

For some, talking about political issues in church may seem like nothing new. But according to IRS guidelines, it could cause a church or Bible ministry to lose its nontaxable status.

The IRS’ Tax Guide for Churches and Religious Organizations states, “Contributions to political campaign funds or public statements of position (verbal or written) made by or on behalf of the organization in favor of or in opposition to any candidate for public office clearly violates the [section 501(c)(3)] prohibition of political campaign activity” and could result in the revocation of the church’s or organization’s tax-exempt status.

“We believe the IRS regulation is a dumb one; it ought to be done away with,” said Richard Land, pastor and president of the Southern Baptist Convention’s Ethics and Religious Liberty Commission. “It violates the First Amendment.” (full article)

Also in the news today,

One of the most important religious cases disputed in years, involving the separation of church and state, will soon come before the U.S. Supreme Court. The legal battle could change whether or not the federal government can dictate or interfere with church authority.

Arguments in the case, Hosanna-Tabor Evangelical Lutheran Church v. the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission, will be heard Oct. 5. The case centers on “ministerial exception,” which is a law that has been on the books for some 40 years. This “exception” protects churches and other religious groups from discrimination claims against them including issues on hiring and firing employees.

One of the most important arguments that will come before the Supreme Court in the case is whether the government should be allowed to decide which duties are “religious,” and which are not.

Douglas Laycock, the attorney on record representing the Lutheran Church, told The Christian Post that this legal battle is unprecedented and could impact every church in the nation. (full article)

  • We publicly fret about continued religious freedom; freedom (we claim) is needed to ‘preach the gospel’ of Jesus Christ.  But we’re willing to risk that freedom for politics. 
  • We want favor so as to continue benefiting from tax exemptions; the 501(c)(3) nontaxable status . But many are demanding an end to the separation of Church and State. 

Can’t speak to what is occurring around the world but it’s obvious the Church in America is suffering from a full-blown identity crisis. As a whole it no longer recognizes ‘who’ it is or what its purpose is. AND most importantly, it has become detached from Jesus, who is “…the head of the body, the church.”

And brothers and sisters, detached from the ‘Head’ there is no life to be found…