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The Ridiculous, and The Weird


Is your Thanksgiving Turkey a Muslim?

How well do you know your turkey? 

Anti-Islam blogger Pamela Geller is warning Americans to be on the lookout for “stealth halal turkeys” this Thanksgiving.

It may be dead – and poultry – but that won’t stop your Thanksgiving turkey playing its part in jihad.

Geller decided to incite some festive hate with this post on Monday, in which she repeats her accusations that the US meat industry does not separate halal from non-halal meat, and accuses popular turkey supplier Butterball of sneaking birds prepared according to Muslim requirements onto non-Muslim tables.

Geller claims halal slaughter methods are “torturous and painful” for the turkeys, and an assault on everyone else’s freedom to have them killed in whichever way they choose:

“Across this great country, on Thanksgiving tables nationwide, infidel Americans are unwittingly going to be serving halal turkeys to their families this Thursday. Turkeys that are halal certified — who wants that, especially on a day on which we are giving thanks to G-d [sic] for our freedom? I wouldn’t knowingly buy a halal turkey — would you? Halal turkey, slaughtered according to the rules of Islamic law, is just the opposite of what Thanksgiving represents: freedom and inclusiveness, neither of which are allowed for under that same Islamic law.” 

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Herman Cain and the Holy Land Experience 

Cain made a campaign stop Friday at The Holy Land Experience, a Christian-theme amusement park in central Florida where visitors pay $35 to watch a reenactment of the crucifixion and resurrection of Christ just minutes from Disney World. In the park, which is run by the religious television station Trinity Broadcasting Network, employees dressed as shepherd boys, pharisees, Roman soldiers and merchants from first-century Israel lead the faithful on tours through the re-created streets of old Jerusalem, perform re-enactment shows and serve as baristas in the coffee shop.

Over the course of a day at Holy Land, you can take communion–fed to you from the hand of a bearded actor playing Christ with flowing brown hair–browse an impressive collection of early Bibles, rock out to praise-song karaoke, get baptized and,

…even have your picture taken with Jesus on a Harley. 

And on this day, you can meet Herman Cain.

Entering the park, I’m greeted by a girl in her 20s wearing a traditional Jewish headdress tapping away on a computer keyboard with freshly painted nails. A poster with Cain’s face is taped to the front window. She rings up my ticket and I stumble upon a first-century city street swarming with actors dressed in ancient garb.

“Crucifixion’s at 2:30,” a robed disciple/greeter says as I walk in, pointing toward an amphitheater. “You’ll want to get there early to get good seats.”

“Will we have time to see Herman Cain?” I ask.

“Definitely,” he replies. “Cain won’t start until Jesus returns, which will be after the resurrection.”

The presentation that follows, which takes the audience through the scenes of the Passion story–Jesus’ prayer in the Garden of Gethsemane, Judas’ kiss of betrayal, the trial in front of Pontius Pilate, the flogging, the placement of the crown of thorns, the walk down the Via Dolorosa, the crucifixion, and finally, the resurrection–culminates in front of a life-sized model of Herod’s temple in Jerusalem. On the steps of the temple for the grand finale, angels wearing capes prance to the sound of trumpets that welcome the Second Coming of Christ. Jesus emerges from the back and strides triumphantly toward the temple wearing a flowing robe and a gold crown of rubies. Meanwhile, another angel lassos Satan with a gold chain and hauls him away by the neck.

After Jesus disappears into a cloud of smoke at the temple door, a plain-clothed man directs the crowd to a nearby theater…

Inside the auditorium, shepherds escort people to their seats. There’s a lectern on stage surrounded by a wall-to-wall painting of landmarks from ancient Jerusalem with Herod’s temple in the center. A singer kicks off the program with praise and worship songs, and Cain enters through a side door with TBN founder Jan Crouch and his new Secret Service detail. Cain, a layman pastor and gospel singer, appears right at home as he walks up to the stage in his suit and signature gold tie. “You all have to forgive me, but this feels like a pulpit and I am a preacher,” he says during the talk. “It’s just a natural thing when I get into this setting, ya know?”

Cain speaks for nearly a half an hour and despite a couple fleeting “999” mentions, keeps his speech to topics of faith and his recent battle with cancer. He begins with a story about how he knew he would survive when he discovered that his physician was named “Dr. Lord,” that the hospital attendant’s name was “Grace” and that the incision made on his chest during the surgery would be in the shape of a “J.”

He did have a slight worry at one point during the chemotherapy process when he discovered that one of the surgeon’s name was “Dr. Abdallah.”

“I said to his physician assistant, I said, ‘That sounds foreign–not that I had anything against foreign doctors–but it sounded too foreign,” Cain tells the audience. “She said, ‘He’s from Lebanon.’ Oh, Lebanon! My mind immediately started thinking, wait a minute, maybe his religious persuasion is different than mine! She could see the look on my face and she said, ‘Don’t worry, Mr. Cain, he’s a Christian from Lebanon.'” 

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21 comments on “The Ridiculous, and The Weird

  1. Okay, that was a good read, now what’s next, I need ma ears atickled!. And just what is 999? I learn something new everyday, who needs the word anyway.

  2. While I would not knowingly buy a halal turkey, Paul addressed this in 1Cor 8:4-9

    4. As concerning therefore the eating of those things that are offered in sacrifice unto idols, we know that an idol [is] nothing in the world, and that [there is] none other God but one.
    8. But meat commendeth us not to God: for neither, if we eat, are we the better; neither, if we eat not, are we the worse.

    But just to be safe I’m going to smoke my (16lb) turkey for about 16 hours with seasoned pecan wood. I’m pretty sure that will re-sanctify it and drive out any muslim demons!

    • But just to be safe I’m going to smoke my (16lb) turkey for about 16 hours with seasoned pecan wood. I’m pretty sure that will re-sanctify it and drive out any muslim demons!

      Aha! :-)

  3. Don’t know why but both stories had me laughing out-loud last night.

    Sometimes you just gotta laugh.. :-)

  4. “I said to his physician assistant, I said, ‘That sounds foreign–not that I had anything against foreign doctors–but it sounded too foreign,”

    A rose by any other name..

    • When i read his comment concerning the physician assistant i couldn’t help but think of Dr. Iman Bastawros. She is my doctor. She was born and raised in Egypt, having attended Cairo Medical School before coming to America to practice Family Medicine and Pediatrics. She’s an excellent doctor.

      Cain’s response is typical of Americans guided by fear. Its actually pitiful to see people who claim to follow and trust Christ, so fear-oriented.

  5. Ummm …

    Ummmmm …

    Does Geller realize that halal won’t corrupt non-halal in any way? Were I a Muslim trying to keep halal, then I might be upset by this revelation, so shouldn’t Geller be happy that Butterball is mistreating Muslims?

    As for Cain …

    The guy’s a nut. He’s a raving bigot.

    I went to the Holy Land Experience this past summer. The place is okay, but you have to understand that it’s a TBN project. Very weird.

    The cardboard cutout of Jesus on a motorcycle is weird, but not as scary as the woman who hosts a kids’ show. I found her name by Googling the phrase “scary TBN lady.” Made Tammy Faye Bakker look natural, when it comes to makeup.

  6. Someone correct me if I am wrong, but my understanding is that “halal” is sort of like the Muslim version of “kosher”. I eat “kosher” food all of the time, in fact I prefer it in many ways, but that does not take on a religious significance for me. It has more to do with product quality. So I think there are a lot of things about turkey that would concern me more than whether they are “halal” or not. I certainly don’t like the idea that most of our turkey products are tainted with antibiotics and put us at risk for serious infectious diseases as a result. Once again this seems to be something that is all about symbolism unless someone can show me how “halal” indicates that a certain product has been “offered to idols”. If such were the case, I don’t think they would turn around and label them and offer them for sale. That doesn’t make any sense to me, but then there are more and more things that don’t make sense to me as the days go by.

    As for “Holy Land Experience”, its just part of a broader trend where the Gospel is being replaced by things like “Christian” entertainment. The Bakkers pioneered this direction with “Heritage USA”. Remember that? It also eventually turned into a “Christian” Ponzi scheme. It represents the church abandoning the Gospel for a full on secular agenda. Its called “the seven mountains” I believe. Nothing in there about the Gospel of Christ. It got replaced with “religion”, whatever that is.

    • Wasn’t Rome built on 7 mountains? But before Romulus could do that he had to kill his brother and steal the women from the Sabine. Take of that what you will.

  7. I missed this one. There’s nothing wrong with Christians eating Halal.

    We had a similar situation come up in the UK with lamb. Most meat is Halal butchered in the UK because of the high muslim population. I initially thought I would be prohibited from eating it, but here’s what it says in 1 Cor 10: 25-30.

    25 Eat anything sold in the meat market without raising questions of conscience, 26 for, “The earth is the Lord’s, and everything in it.”[f]

    27 If an unbeliever invites you to a meal and you want to go, eat whatever is put before you without raising questions of conscience. 28 But if someone says to you, “This has been offered in sacrifice,” then do not eat it, both for the sake of the one who told you and for the sake of conscience. 29 I am referring to the other person’s conscience, not yours. For why is my freedom being judged by another’s conscience? 30 If I take part in the meal with thankfulness, why am I denounced because of something I thank God for?

    Bearing in mind that Islam worships the same God as we do. And before anyone starts on about Allah being a ‘moon god’, it’s long been debunked. see here: http://www.islamic-awareness.org/Quran/Sources/Allah/moongod.html

    So there is no problem. The teaching in 1 Corinthians 10 is talking about others testing your faith by presenting you food sacrificed to idols in order to offend you. In those circumstances, you are not to partake for the sake of the conscience of the one trying to offend your faith, not yourself. Our freedom in Christ doesn’t bind us over to law, but demands that we put others before ourselves.

    I hope this clarifies and enjoy your Halal, Kosher or whatever else you choose to eat.

    Steve

    • I’m with you, i think the fear Christians have over this is ridiculous.

      25 Eat anything sold in the meat market without raising questions of conscience, 26 for, “The earth is the Lord’s, and everything in it.”[f] 27 If an unbeliever invites you to a meal and you want to go, eat whatever is put before you without raising questions of conscience. 28 But if someone says to you, “This has been offered in sacrifice,” then do not eat it, both for the sake of the one who told you and for the sake of conscience. 29 I am referring to the other person’s conscience, not yours. For why is my freedom being judged by another’s conscience? 30 If I take part in the meal with thankfulness, why am I denounced because of something I thank God for?

      amen, amen.

  8. Steve, I agree totally about your comment, with scripture, about food BUT……you surely don’t believe Islam’s allah is the same God as the Holy Bible’s DO YOU?

    • Hi Sylvia,

      The Q’uran identifies Allah as the God of Abraham. If you speak to a Christian Arab, they name their God Allah. I’m an evangelical Christian. Would I say that a Catholic worships a different God to me?

      Judaism, Christianity and Islam worship the same God.

  9. Steve I will not pursue an ongoing argument (I’ll leave it to others far more articulate than I am) but I am 101% certain you are wrong. Please show me in scripture the name of Allah being another name for Jehovah God because i will adhere to nothing else.

    • Hi Sylvia,

      I’m not here to argue with anyone, forgive me if my tone came across that way. I’m sometimes not too subtle when it comes to the written word.

      I completely agree that no one comes to the Father except through Christ, however, what we’re talking about is food sacrificed to idols.

      What I am saying is that Allah of Islam, Jehovah of Judaism and the God of Christianity are identified as the same deity. I’m not saying a Jew or a Muslim are saved. That only comes through receiving Christ, but Halal is not food sacrificed to idols, it is sacrificed to Allah / God. It really is no different to sitting at a Jewish table and eating Kosher.

      With regard to Allah being a pagan god, take a look at the link I put up on my earlier post. The roots of this hypothesis came from a guy called Detleif Nielson and had been championed by a guy called Robert Morey. I don’t know much about him, but he is a rabid Islamaphobe.

      Regards

      Steve

  10. PS Steve: Leaving aside discussion over the origins of the NAME allah, you may like to reflect on John 14:6 No one comes to the Father but by me (JESUS). Given that followers of allah reject the notion of Jesus being the son of God, whoever they believe they are praying to clearly isn’t the biblical God.
    If you care to research the historical ROOTS of allah you will see that it is born out of paganism.

  11. Sorry, I feel I must make a correction to my earlier post. We also need to understand that Halal is not ‘sacrificed’ and Islam does not require it’s followers to make animal sacrifices.

    It’s slaughtered for the purpose of food and a prayer is recited.

  12. Hi Steve, you didn’t come over as argumentative, not at all. It was that sentence you stated on Dec 3, 2011 @ 12:28pm that sent me into a spin …”Bearing in mind that Islam worships the same God as we do…….” because they do not.
    I am glad you later explained that you are not suggesting that a Jew or Muslim is saved which only comes through receiving Christ (and praise God many do), it is a relief to have misunderstood. :)

    I did read your link, you may be interested in this one also, very informative.

    http://www.letusreason.org/islam6.htm

  13. HI Sylvia,

    Thanks for the link. Interesting read.

    The Q’uran identifies Allah as the Jahweh of the Bible. Now I obviously don’t identify a follower of Islam is saved and I don’t believe that the Q’uran is the inspired word of God. I could say the very same thing about LDS or the Watchtower movement, which are very similar to mainstream Christianity, but are obviously heresy.

    Zionists like Pamela Geller and Christian Zionists have been on a mission to bring as much division between Islam and Judaism and Christianity as they can in order to minimalise Israel’s treatment of Arabs over the last 60 years and it has been a resounding success.

    Deligitimising Muslims as pagan heathens who are on a lower standing to Christians and certainly less deserving than ‘God’s Chosen People’ has served the Zionist cause very well. I’ve heard Christians call Arabs ‘unregenerate’ (meaning incapable of receiving salvation in Christ Jesus) and Palestinian Christians considered ‘unsaved’ and ‘not Christ centric’. From what I’ve read about the pagan history of Islam, it is purely hypothesis, which has been widely disseminated as fact to force an agenda. Irrespective of origin, Muslims understand Allah to be Jahweh and Arab Christians refer to Allah.

    Personally, my concern is that as Christians, we love everyone and certainly respect other faiths. We don’t demonise a religious group. That is the very reason we have all the enmity in the Middle East towards the West and vice versa. I’m perfectly happy to break bread with a follower of Islam, my Bible tells me so.

    Regards

    Steve

  14. Well Steve, I will close out by saying a hearty amen to your final paragraph (with a couple of tweaks).
    I certainly agree that we are called to love everyone regardless of their faith (or non faith) BUT….I would certainly not break bread with a follower of Islam or an unbeliever in MY JESUS because HE is the object of breaking bread. it is in HIS name that we eat and drink, to remember HIM until He comes. Surely to break bread with anyone who does not know, recognise or love Jesus, is denying the very essence of the sanctity of such a feast/command.

    I confess to finding SOME of your reasoning a bit confusing, but I do regard you as a brother.

    • Hi Sylvia,

      Thanks for your comments. I feel I need to clarify

      It’s fine to eat with non Christians in my opinion.

      Sorry to post up the same scripture again, but it’s important to understand that we’re not bound to keep ourselves separate from unbelievers or people of different faiths.

      1 Cor 10:27 If an unbeliever invites you to a meal and you want to go, eat whatever is put before you without raising questions of conscience.

      I’m not talking about the sacrament of communion. I’m talking about sitting down and having dinner with someone of another faith and not worrying whether the food is Halal, Kosher, or otherwise.

      I hope this clarifies.

      Blessings

      Steve

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