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Chuck Smith Jr. and Reaching the Lost and Deceived


While I don’t know precisely what prompted this response by Chuck Smith Jr. the contents are somewhat self-explanatory. Smith’s theology or whether you have a problem with it or him personally, isn’t what I want to concentrate upon in this post. For one thing, though I’m very familiar with Chuck Smith Sr and his ministry, his son (and his ministry) is not anything I’m knowledgeable about. And for the purpose of this post, don’t need to be…

This is what caught my attention,

Remarkable! It was interesting to read that I am “an advocate” for homosexual Christians. This is an example of either inadequate research or selective reporting–either one, in my opinion, demonstrates a lack of integrity. In that same video interview posted above, I explicitly stated that “I am not an advocate” for gay and lesbian Christians.

Have I sat “in the company” of homosexuals in conferences without delivering a word of judgment against them? Yes, I have. I went to them the way Jesus came into the world, not to condemn, but to save. And as He was sent into the world, so He sent His disciples into the world (Jn. 3:17; 17:18; 20:21). How many of these conferences have you been invited to come and speak? If none, how are do you plan on getting the gospel to gays and lesbians? Do you care whether they hear the gospel? Is it not your calling or concern?

You can read the entire response and watch the video clip he refers to, here

I didn’t stumble upon this link accidentally, but through a news-feed article I received from a well known discernment website…which one doesn’t really matter for I’m sure the one I read isn’t the only one which has posted about what Smith Jr was suppose to have said, etc. But here is my point and question folks…

Besides the obvious issue of having to be so careful today in what we say or “how” it’s perceived (we live in an ugly age folks…face it) isn’t he right concerning getting the Gospel to those lost and/or deceived? 

I’m not sure when this began…this idea that we as Christians are NEVER to be seen in the company of lost people..or deceived people. That we are to shun them like they carry the plague. Because early-on in my walk with Christ this is not how we operated as Christians. Our goal was to go out and find them! I mean, how can you be a light to anyone if you refuse to even be in their presence!?

Now, before someone points out that Jr here admits to being in the presence of deceived folks without “delivering a word of judgment” against them, let me ask you: are we not suppose to follow the leading of the Holy Spirit?

I have specifically been led, by the Spirit of God, to be silent while in the presence of people I’ve KNOWN FOR A FACT were lost and/or deceived. And I’ve obeyed, having learned early-on the biblical principle that some plant, others water, but it is God who gives the increase.

I have planted, Apollos watered; but God gave the increase. So then neither is he that planteth any thing, neither he that watereth; but God that giveth the increase. Now he that planteth and he that watereth are one: and every man shall receive his own reward according to his own labour. For we are labourers together with God: ye are God’s husbandry, ye are God’s building. According to the grace of God which is given unto me, as a wise masterbuilder, I have laid the foundation, and another buildeth thereon. But let every man take heed how he buildeth thereupon. For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ. (1 Cor. 3)

Proclaiming judgment upon people at every opportunity my friends, is not how we win people to Christ. It wasn’t how Jesus operated and it’s not how the Church is suppose to work either. It never will be. We speak or remain silent as led by the Holy Spirit, for it is HE who “convicts the world of guilt in regard to sin and righteousness and judgment”..and it is HE who knows if seeds have already been planted in a heart, waiting to be watered…and finally, it is HE who draws men to Christ. Get it?  We are but co-laborers with the Holy Spirit.

No wonder the Church is such a mess. We no longer rely upon the Spirit for anything…

I’m done.    

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22 comments on “Chuck Smith Jr. and Reaching the Lost and Deceived

  1. They called Jesus a winebibber and a companion of sinners.

  2. Romans 9:33
    Behold I am laying in Zion a stone of stumbling , and a rock of offense; and whoever believes in him shall not be put to shame.

    PJ , the gospel is going to offend many because it will expose the sin of many, regardless of whether they are homosexuals , thieves or adulterers. Everyday I go to work among people who need to hear the gospel because it is sin that separates them from God, I’m of the opinion that we do not cast pearls to pigs , that discernment is required when sharing the gospel , but the essence is that we preach the gospel faithfully , and to be sure , it will offend people.

    • Yes, discernment and wisdom is needed, even when presenting the Gospel.

      It all boils down to the fact that we (unless it is revealed to us) have no way of knowing “what” God may be already in the process of doing in another person’s life/heart at the time.

      By stepping in, without wisdom (or discernment), as was recommended by the author of the website which criticized Smith Jr, to speak judgment, we can actually be getting in the way, or God forbid, be a stumbling block to what God is working to accomplish. Sadly, i’ve witnessed this happening many times.

  3. Hello there. As you know I got a ‘pingback’ comment because you linked to my site. There is a clear reason for Chuck Smith Jr’s response to me it was a reply/comment to my post on him http://news4themasses.wordpress.com/2012/01/10/chuck-smith-jr-a-straight-ally-for-gay-christians/
    I understand we are to take the gospel to the lost I don’t disagree with that. You have to do some more research on the topic of his appearance there (Embrace Conference) for yourself, if it is of any concern to you. It’s not as simple as he was invited and how is that such a horrible thing. I encourage your readers to read my comments on the link you posted above and the link I just posted. It puts things into greater context. Chuck Jr was also addressing several other posts in that response to me so again to understand you’d have to read the posts I wrote before on Chuck Fromm and Lonnie Frisbee. I also wanted to make a note here that I do not consider myself a “Discernment” site. I do not invest all my time to exposing all things in apostasy. I went to CC for over a decade and have left and I write on some of their issues because I know more about them than others.

    • Welcome! Thank you so much for dropping by and i hope this won’t be your only visit…please stop by again! :-)

      Thanks also for recommending your post..and yes i will check it out.

      What i actually wanted to do was use the quote from Chuck Smith’s response to point out some things about the visible Church which has disturbed me for some time. In fact i’ve posted other items, similar to this, over the last few months, to point out the same thing. That being the idea that we as Christians are to shun the lost and deceived and to stand back and do nothing more then publicly judge them.

      I don’t pretend to have all the answers..but as a 65 yrs old “old-timer” who has walked with Jesus 33 years, i know this is not how to plant, water, or help harvest souls. As i asked within the post,

      how can you be a light to anyone if you refuse to even be in their presence?

      So you see i was using Smith’s quote as an example…not really commenting on the entire post at your website or to the incident leading up to Smith’s response.

      My deep concern is how the visible Church in America has replaced righteousness with self-righteousness in recent years. And how we see this manifested by how we treat the lost and deceived.

  4. I am not familiar with your site or your type of speech. Let me ask you straight forward so that I am not mistaken, Are you saying what Chuck Smith Jr did in attending a openly Gay event for “Gay Christians” was within the context of biblical and merely him seeking the lost? Because that is obviously far from how I took his presence at the event and why I wrote my post. His being there was a means (for them in the least) to condone their lifestyle and to say it’s okay to be Gay and call themselves a “Christian.” He wasn’t at a Gay Pride parade on the sidelines offering the Gospel of Christ Jesus to “the lost” he was at one of their events where they celebrate their gayness and that they call themselves believers. Also, what do you mean by the “visible Church” you use that term and I am not familiar with it or why you are saying it. I took your post as you defending Smith Jr and criticizing me and my post, am I not correct in that interpretation? If so that is totally your right to feel that way I’m not here to defend myself only to say you stated you weren’t sure “Why” Chuck Smith Jr replied to me, when I placed the post he was replying to at the top of his reply on the article you linked to. It wouldn’t have taken much to click and read why Chuck Smith Jr was replying. The whole world is not as concerned as much with you or I but they do like to follow famous men, like Chuck Smith Sr. and Jr. and others and what they do is notable. There are many sheep who stumble as a result of following their favorite pastor into the coal mine, or off the cliff, whichever literary term you prefer I think you get my point.

    • Rather then take away from the point of the post, which our back and forth might do, perhaps you can drop me a note through the contact page.

      thanks and God bless…

  5. Seems to me the one with the most converts when all is said and done, of course converts being from the gene pool of Adam’s race, Eve being the mother of all living, that means you too stupid, has the most personal fellowships of all others in Glory above. Now of course Jesus will undoubtedly have the most fellowship and I’m sure He’s up for the task? But what I mean is you will have a relationship with everyone you witnessed to on earth that because of Christ in your life that you spoke to them about first the Holy Spirit brought them out of darkness into LIGHT and on into the safety of Paradise when they, too, leave this veil of tears behind. They will be eternally grateful to you too!

    Now what strikes me is the reality is a simple one that the great learned ones won’t be party too, that is, just because you were well trained and was pastor to thousands or even millions, you had little to do with the face to face exchange of the Gospel message that saved them.

    As has been said some planted, some watered, but God gave the increase to the glory of The Lord.

    I suppose if this reflects your record when you die and get to Heaven too and many come greeting you there saying remember me? (See verses below). I’m so and so. You shared the Gospel with me and because of that I’ve come to know Jesus because of your sharing about Him with me. Now that’s what I’m saying. When you pass to Glory who else will greet you at your arrival:

    and thus I make it my ambition to preach the gospel, not where Christ has already been named, lest I build on someone else’s foundation, but as it is written, “Those who have never been told of him will see, and those who have never heard will understand.” (Romans 15:20, 21 ESV)

    Gay or straight aim to tell them about what Jesus has done for the saving of their soul already and stop worrying about what sins they have done or will do! His blood was shed to wash them too!

    Just saying…!

    • As has been said some planted, some watered, but God gave the increase to the glory of The Lord.

      I suppose if this reflects your record when you die and get to Heaven too and many come greeting you there saying remember me? (See verses below). I’m so and so. You shared the Gospel with me and because of that I’ve come to know Jesus because of your sharing about Him with me. Now that’s what I’m saying. When you pass to Glory who else will greet you at your arrival:

      and thus I make it my ambition to preach the gospel, not where Christ has already been named, lest I build on someone else’s foundation, but as it is written, “Those who have never been told of him will see, and those who have never heard will understand.” (Romans 15:20, 21 ESV)

      Gay or straight aim to tell them about what Jesus has done for the saving of their soul already and stop worrying about what sins they have done or will do! His blood was shed to wash them too!

      Just saying…!

      Amen Michael. Very well put!

  6. Well, I’m afraid I don’t understand The Lord then?

    He hung out with sinners where they were and was accused of being a glutton and a drunk. I suppose it was because they “saw” Him eating and drinking with gluttons and drunks?

    That being said, I suppose He being the same Jesus yesterday, today and forever and immutable to boot, if there were gay pride parades when He was around I’m sure of two things more. One, He’d be right there in their midst. And two, they would have felt just as comfortable being around Him as others all the while He was being accused of being gay!

    Oops, can’t count! That was three things not two. :)

  7. @PJ_Miller I understand you wanting to control the comments section. I’ll let it go for now. I don’t do personal communication with ppl online, it’s a rule of mine. Thank God we don’t have to separate the wheat from the tares! Only He knows.

    • Thank you for understanding.

      The topic of how we are and how we should be (biblically) responding to the lost and deceived, is an important one.

      Thank God we don’t have to separate the wheat from the tares! Only He knows.

      Amen.

  8. If “discernment” blogs stopped getting traffic and feedback they would die off. The world be a better place without them. I decided long ago to OBEY my Lord and let him be the judge. All he ever wanted me to do was praise him and share him with the people I meet. It’s so beautifully simple a child can do it. Besides, I have a great big log in my own eye that I can’t seem to dislodge. 😃

    • I believe where most so-called discernment blogs have gone wrong micey (and by the way, i don’t believe discernment is a specific ministry…according to the bible) is they personally attack the teacher of erroneous doctrines more then just calling attention to the teachings themselves. Even though this little blog is only a personal blog comprised of various topics of interest to me, I’ve found myself doing it too.

    • Yes. You have done a good job of pointing out error without being mean spirited. There’s a big difference.

    • Thanks and God bless you Micey, but i think i’ve sinned in that area myself on occasion.

    • well I think we are all guilty of saying bad things about other people from time to time. I know I am. But I don’t think you’ve ever made it your MISSION like some other folks seem to have done. Have a great day PJ!

    • Thank you Micey for recognizing it’s never been my mission or the intent for this blog to be a discernment website. I’ve received a few messages and comments through the years from folks who thought that was the purpose for this blog. It saddened me to know i may have given that impression….even if to one person!

      God bless, and you have a great day too sweetie…

  9. Thank you for this post. One of the reasons I left Calvary Chapel over 20 years ago was because of the shunning and exclusive attitude that made me feel uncomfortable. It was too much like a click to me. That is not to say that there aren’t good Christian people at CC, there are. I just felt like it was becoming too controlling in my life. I have not lost faith in God/Christ.. but, I have lost faith in the organized church. CC seems more and more cultish to me. Sorry to say that but any church that becomes more exclusionary is not good imho. It broke my heart over the years to come to such a conclusion. I’m done with any church that tries to control how I worship or who I know or associate with. It’s none of their business really. The church does not know my motives or whether God is using me in some way and they just can’t see it etc. We are all on our own separate journey’s . We are not here to judge. Now after so many years away from CC, I see there is so much drama going on and am a bit surprised but maybe I shouldn’t be surprised.
    On the gay question, I don’t understand why the hard core fundamentalist churches show such hatred toward the Gay community. IMHO that is what they are teaching by pointing out that they believe the bible states that Gay are not born that way but choose to be that way. It is so wrong and does nothing but keep the ingrained hate and shunning going in our society. It’s sad and makes me crazy because the church is continuing to teach that a person is ‘less than’ just because they are gay. Think about what that does and says to a young confused teenager who is realizing they are different and always have been but just didn’t know what it was. What do these teachings say to this young person?? We are ‘all’ sinners right?? If the church really believes we are all sinners then why do they find it necessary to point a finger and single out gays?? And then on top of it all our own government tries to use the religion to define who is entitled to equal rights!! That is so wrong on so many levels. You may argue with that but I doubt you would argue with it if it was not ‘your’ religion that was being used to define who ‘s entitled to equal rights. Which by the way, is why it is so important to have separation of church and state. Anyway, I applaud Chuck Smith Jrr for doing was is right and what I believe that Jesus would do.. I just think that the gay distinction should become a non issue in the future because we are all sinners right? I have worked with plenty of gay people over the last 35 years and I can tell you they are no different from anyone else. I’ve worked with ex military mucky mucks who were gay and had to hide it in the service. I’ve worked with many teachers that have families and are no different as parents and even better than many because they want to prove people wrong . I met a top childrens cancer specialist and his partner and hospital administrator who adopted 2 children and boy and girl and both are thriving today and most of all are happy!! They have their children in private Christian school and enjoy sports and music lessons and they also attend a Catholic Church. They are very devout. Who is going to judge that? Not me and neither should anyone else. They have their stuff together better than most I’d say. I truly believe that if the fundamentalist church as well as others who hold the same rigid belief about sexual orientation, don’t stop teaching and singling out gays, they will continue to loose members over time. That doesn’t mean they will forsake Christ; it just means they won’t those churches. My father was Catholic and my Mom was Protestant. I was baptized Lutheran and yet attended a Baptist church growing up. Is it not true that these 3 religious denominations all believe in the Trinity?? So, if that is the case , and all believe in the redemption then we shouldn’t be squabling and badmouthing other religions who may be more tolerant of the gay community. I do not believe that Jesus approves of all the judging going on. I’m sick of hearing the stories about minoot differences of opinion on interpretations that don’t make a bit of difference in the end if someone has been saved . I also think it is wonderful that denominations are trying to come together more in a truly Christian spirit of love instead of constantly pointing out differences which does nothing positive at all. I’m an idealist and I also believe that God is bigger than all the worlds religions!! I believe that anyone who truly is seeking God will find him because if God is all knowing and he knows you have the faith of a mustard seed then you will find him! He promised us that! It doesn’t have to be that complicated ! Seriously Thanks for listening and for posting.. Joan

    • Hi Joan, I just want to respectfully point out to you that as of this date, there is no evidence to determine that homosexuality is anything other than a choice, except for the words of homosexuals. It is true that science is trying to establishe a genetic link or hereditary causation for what must in any event be properly described as an abnormal and deviant behavioral condition. But so far they have found no conclusive evidence to establish this theory. On the other hand we have the Bible which clearly condemns the practice of homosexual behavior, and labels the choice to continue in it an abomination to the Lord. Christ died for all and salvation is freely available to all.

  10. Yes, there are all types of sins, but the words of God are true and Romans chapter 1 is clear, if you have true faith, then you would agree that indeed homosexuality is a grave sin that is one of the reasons why God had to destroy Sodom thus the name Sodomites.
    There is many or most Calvary Chapels that are some of the few good churches left, so along with your wrong opinion of homosexuals, you are not seeing correctly. Read Romans 1 if you believe God’s word is true. You should not brush CC with such a broad swipe . Of course true believers would try to help any homosexual and love them, and we are to judge those within the church IF they are living in open sin.

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