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As in the Days of Noah


But as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,  And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.  – Matthew 24: 37-39

And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them,  That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.  And the Lord said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.  There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.  And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. – Genesis 6: 1-5

Besides the picture Jesus gave us of everyday life going on as usual (marrying, giving in marriage, eating, drinking,) what other signs do you believe we will see which will signal Jesus’ soon return? Genesis tells us wickedness was “great” in Noah’s day. Do you believe this could be pointing to a more obvious time of undeniable demonic activity? We know this type of activity was common-place prior to Jesus’ birth and during his time on earth.  

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9 comments on “As in the Days of Noah

  1. I have been following Christian prophecy now for a while. Have seen many discussions about the days of Noah. Prophecy in the News brings on Tom Horn and Cris Putnam who have studied this demonic activity in the end of days. I would not be surprised if we see demons in the Tribulation, of which we all will go thru at least the first three years. If the fallen angels got together with the women of the earth and produced the Nephillium, then anything is possible!

  2. I imagine I’ll be in the minority here, but I personally believe Jesus was still speaking of what would transpire by the time the temple was to be destroyed (Matt. 24:1-3) in their generation (verse 34). I see verse 37 as an echo of verses 27 and 30. Athanasius (296-372 AD), in his commentary on Matthew 24, said this:

    “And when [Jesus] appeared in the end of the age, He also gave this commandment, saying…, ‘When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation…then let them which be in Judea flee into the mountains…’ [Matthew 24:15-16]. Knowing these things, the saints regulated their conduct accordingly.”

    I understand Athanasius to mean that the early believers lived simply, in order to be prepared for that time when they would need to suddenly vacate Jerusalem. That’s why we read in the book of Acts that the believers in Jerusalem “had all things in common,” they “were selling their possessions and belongings and distributing the proceeds to all, as any had need” (Acts 2:44-45), and “no one said that any of the things that belonged to him was his own” (Acts 4:32).

    They prepared in faith for the perilous events Jesus had predicted, but those outside of God’s family didn’t do so. Instead, they carried on as normal, as if there was no tragic event just around the corner. (This was parallel to the people of Noah’s day carrying on as if his predictions of a great flood were false and meaningless.) History then tells us that Roman armies came and surrounded Jerusalem in 67 AD, and at that time the believers remembered what Jesus had said. Remigius (437-533 AD) explained:

    “[For] on the approach of the Roman army, all the Christians in the province, warned, as ecclesiastical history tells us, miraculously from heaven, withdrew, and passing the Jordan, took refuge in the city of Pella; and under the protection of that King Agrippa, of whom we read in the Acts of the Apostles, they continued some time.”

    So the city of Pella was like Noah’s ark to these 1st century believers.

    This is how I understand this passage of Scripture, in any case. :-)

  3. Adam, I understand your view regarding Mat 24 and I generally agree that much of it was specific to the 70 AD period, however it is clear that the apostles were looking forward to a future physical return of Christ. Both Paul and Peter wrote of a future physical return and their letters were addressed to believers in the gentile world outside of Jerusalem. Therefore it seems reasonable that Jesus words in Mat 24 will have at least some level of future fulfillment at the time of his return.

    • Hi Steve. Thanks for your feedback. I used to view Matthew 24 and 25 as entirely future to us. Then information at PJ’s site here actually helped me to begin to see it differently (that was in 2008, when the Lakeland Revival fiasco drew me to this site). For a while I then viewed Matthew 24 as you have described it, mostly relating to the first century AD and then somewhere after verse 34 (although I never knew where) transitioning to our own future. At this point in my journey of understanding, however, I don’t see any such transition or a justification for one.

      Jesus’ promise that He would come “on the clouds of heaven in power and great glory” (verse 30) was part of all the things that would take place before His generation would pass away (verse 34). Likewise, “the coming of the Son of Man” (verse 27) was also to take place before His generation passed away. Then in verses 37 and 44 Jesus again referenced “the coming of the Son of Man.” Some say that Jesus makes a 2000-year jump in verse 35, but He uses the same language on both sides of verse 35. Furthermore, elements from verses 1-34 and also elements from verses 36-51 can be found in one singular prophecy in Luke 17:22-37. I’ve come to agree with Jonathan Edwards when he said:

      “Tis evident that when Christ speaks of his coming; his being revealed; his coming in his Kingdom; or his Kingdom’s coming; He has respect to his appearing in those great works of his Power, Justice, and Grace, which should be in the Destruction of Jerusalem and other extraordinary Providences which should attend it” (Miscellany #1199).

      Some say that the disciples asked Jesus three separate questions in verse 3 of Matthew’s account (though they clearly asked only one question in Mark’s and Luke’s account). It seems to me that they only did ask one question, but linked three elements together: [1] when the temple would fall [2] when the end of the age would come [3] what the sign of His coming would be. After all, Jesus had already said that He would come in His kingdom before they could pass through all the towns and cities of Israel (Matthew 10:23), and that He would come in His kingdom/with His holy angels/in judgment/in the glory of His Father before all of them would die (Matthew 16:27-28).

      The disciples carried this understanding into their epistles as, for example, Peter told his first century readers that “the end of all things” was “at hand” (I Peter 4:7) and John told his first century readers that it was “the last hour” (I John 4:18); Paul echoed their thoughts by declaring that “the consummation of the ages” had come upon the Corinthian church (I Cor. 10:11); the author of Hebrews also declared that Jesus had spoken “in the last days” (Heb. 1:1-2) and that He was manifested to take away sins at the end of the age (Heb. 9:26).

      As for Matthew 24:35, which some deem as the verse that creates a 2000-year gap, I agree with those who see Jesus’ words there as being covenantal language in the same vein that Deuteronomy, Isaiah, Jeremiah, and other OT books made use of the term “heaven and earth” as a representation of Israel and the old covenant. In other words, the old heaven and earth was the old covenant (system), and the new heaven and earth is the new covenant age we presently enjoy. Those who have believed and taught this way include John Owen, Jonathan Edwards, and Charles Spurgeon.

      So I hope you don’t mind my fairly lengthy explanation of why I presently view Matthew 24 as I do.

  4. The world has entered the beginning of the end, as the Nephilim of Genesis 6:1-6, are returning; that is the Halfbreeds, those created by Lucifer’s children and women are once again being created as 23andMe Receives Patent to Create Designer Babies, But Denies Plans to Do So, TIS reports.

    The reason for the deluge was that Lucifer had corrupted mankind’s DNA. Now corporations, physicians and women are playing God. The Lord God will not let a genetic modification industry to come to fruition; He will intervene to terminate mankind’s endeavors by the Advent of His Son, Jesus Christ.

    • I’m going to be honest with you…im not sure where i stand on this long-taught theory my friend. But i will pass on a recent message which i received in my feeds last week for you to read.

      Did Angels Really Reproduce With Women?

      The teachings concerning the identity of the Nephilim is something i’ve dug into in a limited way through the years, but as i said, im still not sure what i think on the subject. Now, as far as the return of these creatures…this i don’t believe is true for there is nothing scripturally to back it up.

      Things im not sure of i tend to leave alone, believing if and when God wants me to know, He’ll show me.

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    Likewise, “the coming of the Son of Man” (verse 27) was also to take place before His generation passed away.
    end quote

    Adam , in all honesty , you hang an enormous lot of doctrine on a single verse. And really , the question has got be asked , do you really believe that Christ has come for a second time?Maybe its time to put away all those historical accounts that you constantly quote , and engage the bible openly and honestly.
    So has Jesus returned?, well not by biblical accounts he hasn’t.Not until the day that my mortality has become immortal and my sinfulness has been separated permanantly from me , will we be in a state of anticipating the coming of our saviour.

    1 Cor 15:53 states the case clearly for our transition into the eternal presence of God.
    For this corruptible must put on incorruption , and this mortal must put on
    immortality.

    Again , the question is asked , has this occured?

    From another perspective there is the question of inevitable judgement that occurs when Christ returns, and this is evident from the passage in Matthew 25:32.

    And before him shall be gathered all nations , and he shall separate them one from another
    as a sheperd divideth his sheep from the goats.

    and 2 Thess 1:9
    Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power.

    Has the final judgement taken place ? , clearly, from the scriptural perspective , it has not.

    • Hi mondoray27,

      Thanks for the dialogue. (My late reply is partially due to working 52 hours over five days.)

      To answer your first question, I do believe that Jesus came within the time frame that He promised to come, and that His coming accomplished what He said it would accomplish. I already referenced a number of Jesus’ own words, His own teachings, from the gospels concerning His coming. I’m not hanging my understanding about His coming on just one verse, Matthew 24:34 (or the parallels in Mark 13:30 and Luke 21:32).

      There are also the testimonies of Jesus and the apostles outside of the gospel accounts. When Jesus spoke of His coming in Revelation 22, what did He say? “Behold, I am coming soon!” (Rev. 22:6, 12, 20). What did that mean to the believers throughout Asia Minor who received this book? In verse 12 Jesus said that His reward would be with Him, and that He would give to each person according to what they had done. This was an echo of Matthew 16:27-28, where He said His coming in judgment/in His kingdom/with His holy angels/in the glory of His Father would take place while some of His disciples were still alive. (Not coincidentally, all the judgments in Revelation are announced and accompanied by angels – “with His holy angels.”)

      John likewise said that His revelation concerned “what must soon take place” (Rev. 1:1), for the time was near (Rev. 1:3). Then one of his first declarations was an echo of Jesus’ words from the Olivet Discourse that Jesus would come with the clouds of heaven (this phrase has a very rich Old Testament background) and that all the tribes of the earth (or “land”) would see Him.

      The author of Hebrews likewise said that the coming One would come and would not delay (Hebrews 10:37). James said “the coming of the Lord” was “at hand” and “the Judge” was “standing at the door” (James 5:8-9). Paul said “the Lord is at hand” (Philippians 4:5). Paul also told the Thessalonian church that they would experience relief from Jewish persecution (I Thess. 2:14-16) when Jesus would be revealed from heaven in blazing fire with His holy angels and to be glorified in His holy people (II Thess. 1:6-10; cf. I Thess. 1:9-10).

      I’ve come to my present understanding of these things through much wrestling with the text. I also resisted this understanding for quite some time. And I’m not done wrestling and studying (the text, not just historical accounts).

      When you say that Jesus hasn’t returned “by biblical accounts,” I can see two possible meanings, but I’m not sure which one you’re expressing:

      [1] No Biblical account states that He already returned.
      [2] Biblical accounts describe His return in such a way that this event couldn’t have taken place.

      Concerning the first idea, I agree that all Biblical accounts of Jesus’ return, the establishment of His kingdom, the resurrection of the OT dead/the dead in Christ, and the judgment spoke of these events as being yet future. I also believe that the entire New Testament was written before Jesus came in judgment against apostate Israel, took the kingdom away from the leaders of that nation (Matthew 21:43), and established His kingdom within/among the church gathered from all nations (Matt. 21:43; Daniel 7:13-14, 18, 22, 26).

      Concerning the second idea, I appeal to the time statements given by Jesus and the apostles regarding His return, and also to the backdrop of the Old Testament from which the language concerning His coming was so often drawn. I would say so much more about that last point, but this comment is already quite long.

      Perhaps you misspoke, but I don’t know on what basis you believe that you need to experience immortality and the permanent ceasing of sin before you can anticipate our Savior’s return.

      I do believe that the way has been made for each of us mortals (who are in Christ) to put on immortality the moment we pass beyond the grave. (Preachers seem to believe and teach the same thing at funerals, in my observation, but often teach very differently the rest of the time.) Daniel was told that a resurrection of “some to death” and “some to life” (Daniel 12:2) would take place at the time of great distress for his people (Dan. 12:1; cf. Jeremiah 30:7, Luke 21:20-23) and by the time the power of his people would be shattered (Dan. 12:7). Jesus said that this time of distress would be part of the sign pointing forward to the destruction of the temple (Luke 21:5-7) and taking place before His generation would pass away (Luke 21:32). I believe Revelation 14:13 expresses the ongoing effect for those who die in Christ ever since the corporate resurrection event took place: “Blessed are those who die in the Lord from now on, that they may rest from their labors.”

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    Likewise, “the coming of the Son of Man” (verse 27) was also to take place before His generation passed away.
    End quote

    Adam ,In all honesty, you hang an enormous amount of doctrine on just one verse, so do you really believe that Christ has come a second time?, and how can you reconcile this view with scripture.[ and not the extra biblical historical accounts you seem so fond of quoting].

    Matthew 25:32 speaks of a judgement that will take place when Christ returns , whereby he will separate the sheep from the goats[who go to everlasting punishment], obviously , this has not occured as yet.

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