Let me begin by saying, in the last few days I’ve received some pretty nasty letters from those who were angry with me for posting some of the teachings of Todd Bentley; why? Because they believe this revival and Todd Bentley’s teachings are from God. I’ll respond now to those letter with this: In my 28 years of serving the Lord I’ve learned this: its better to obey God then man, and from Man I have nothing to fear, but from God I have much to answer for if I fail to obey.
Below I’d like to just present a few links, quotes, and things to consider on the subject of this so-called Angel called ‘Emma’ and this revival with the understanding that what is posted will most likely not change the minds of those who are defending this man’s visions or ‘Angel sightings’…but, nevertheless I’ll obey the Lord. I feel this is important mainly because at least (2) well know Christian leaders and/or Org. are now promoting this highly: one is Lee Grady of Charisma magazine the other the CBN network.
Lets begin with Todd’s own words:
“Now let me talk about an angelic experience with Emma. Twice Bob Jones asked me about this angel that was in Kansas City in 1980: “Todd, have you ever seen the angel by the name of Emma?” He asked me as if he expected that this angel was appearing to me. Surprised, I said, “Bob, who is Emma?” He told me that Emma was the angel that helped birth and start the whole prophetic movement in Kansas City in the 1980s. She was a mothering-type angel that helped nurture the prophetic as it broke out. Within a few weeks of Bob asking me about Emma, I was in a service in Beulah, North Dakota. In the middle of the service I was in conversation with Ivan and another person when in walks Emma. As I stared at the angel with open eyes, the Lord said, “Here’s Emma.” I’m not kidding. She floated a couple of inches off the floor. It was almost like Kathryn Khulman in those old videos when she wore a white dress and looked like she was gliding across the platform. Emma appeared beautiful and young-about 22 years old-but she was old at the same time. She seemed to carry the wisdom, virtue and grace of Proverbs 31 on her life.
She glided into the room, emitting brilliant light and colors. Emma carried these bags and began pulling gold out of them. Then, as she walked up and down the aisles of the church, she began putting gold dustThe Lord answered: “She is releasing the gold, which is both the revelation and the financial breakthrough that I am bringing into this church. I want you to prophecy that Emma showed up in this service-the same angel that appeared in Kansas city-as a sign that I am endorsing and releasing a prophetic spirit in the church.” on people. “God, what is happening?” I asked. (courtesy of endtimes prophectic words)
I’m not going to comment on the entire content of this, having already done so in other posts, but want to say a few words on the bolded sentences:
Bob Jones mentions the Angel ‘Emma’ to Todd…telling him this same Angel appeared in Kansas city in 1980: this was 3 years prior to Bob Jones formally joining up with the Kansas City Prophets, (see KCP: The Roots of the Revival by Tricia Tillin) and that it was this Angel which helped to birth the Prophetic movement in the 80’s; (The Kansas City Prophets)
If by chance you are one of the few Christians, or a new Christian who has not heard or read of the scandals which came out of this movement called The Kansas City Prophets, I’d like to post a couple links and quotes:
(From intotruth:A look at his experiences and their hazardous effect on the body of Christ, By Timothy Smith, former member of Kansas City Fellowship – aka Kansas City Prophets)
Emblazoned on the pages of Charisma Magazine, Christianity Today, and a host of other publications, these men are gaining worldwide recognition. Who are they? What is it they are doing that has attracted the eyes and ears of so many? The place is Kansas City; the time is 1989-1990. An energetic young man by the name of Mike Bickle is leading a group of people who are in the midst of seeing the apostle and prophet restored to the church. Prophetic words that reveal secrets of the heart are a regular occurrence at a place known as Kansas City Fellowship.
By far, the most extraordinary individual is Bob Jones (not connected in any way to Bob Jones University). White-headed, middle-aged and plainspoken, Bob has a gentle, nostalgic persona that endears those he is talking to. His annual visit with the Lord on the Day of Atonement is probably Bob’s biggest claim to fame. Throngs of souls wait in anticipation for this event known as The Shepherd’s Rod, when, according to Bob, Jesus turns every believer over to inspect them like a shepherd does his sheep, (see Ezekiel 20:37, RSV). There is no concern about his lack of theological training, no alarm at his mixture of cultic beliefs with the Christian faith, and absolutely, positively no keeping score of prophecies and visions which turned out to be false! After all, Mike Bickle has stated that Bob Jones seems to walk with the Lord day and night. However, no human is perfect, and that is why today’s emerging prophets and seers miss a few here and there. As they mature God will help them increase in accuracy and power, Mike explains.
So goes the story of a movement that has ensnared tens of thousands of individuals. People who are sincere in their devotion, who really do want to serve God and do His will. But, as I was for my five years at Kansas City Fellowship, they are sincerely wrong. Danger lurks in places or people who toss discernment out the window in order to be part of the “new thing” God is doing.
Literally hundreds of examples could be used in exposing the mystical, cultic origins of Bob Jones’ visions and dreams. Why have I chosen this particular vision? Because it illustrates more than any other the world Bob Jones lives in. It reveals the supernatural, Gnostic foundation upon which Kansas City Fellowship and the prophetic movement at large is founded upon, more than any other single item I have come across in years of research on this “new breed” of ministry leaders. The vision of Basilisk is but one instance of what the apostle Paul warned the church at Colosse to be wary of:
“Do not let anyone disqualify you by making you humiliate yourself and worship angels. Such people enter into visions, which fill them with foolish pride because of their human way of thinking. They do not hold tightly to Christ, the head. It is from him that all the parts of the body are cared for and held together. So it grows in the way God wants it to grow.” — Colossians 2:18-19, NCV.
During my five-year tenure at Kansas City Fellowship I was an eyewitness to the teachings and experiences of Bob Jones and John Paul Jackson, as well as the lesser known “prophets” and “seers.”
One of the key elements in the early history of Kansas City Fellowship was the comet that appeared in the sky on May 7, 1983. Of course, none other than Bob Jones predicted this comet. Planets, comets, weather patterns, even visits with angels and trips to heaven are things Bob speaks of as confirmations of his dreams and visions being from the Lord. As you will read later, the Shoemaker-Levy 9 comet that bombarded Jupiter in 1994 is used as a confirmation of this vision of Basilisk.
The purpose of analyzing this vision is not personal attack. I have nothing against Bob Jones as a person. What I am concerned about is those who are being led astray by his unscriptural teachings. Drawing from personal experience and many hours of research, it became clear to me that this vision of Basilisk, and the account thereof, contains numerous inaccuracies, not the least of which is shaping events and scriptures to justify God as the vision’s source. Thanks for taking the time to read this article. May God bless and direct you in His will for your life… (go to link to read more)
This is but one of any number of articles which tell of the false prophecies, dreams, and visions of this group, in particular Bob Jones. also read: “Vintage Metro: My Eight Years With The Kansas City Prophets” (Part One), (Part Two), and A Look at the Kansas City Prophets.
Bob Jones…the same Bob Jones who was a member of the Kansas City Prophets (now with The infamous Elijah List prophets, as are most of the KCP) has had his share of controversy.
From an open letter at Prayershack:
In November 2005 I received a letter from an old friend of mine, Kathy. She was actually responding to a letter I had sent her detailing some points about a recent trip I had taken to North Carolina where I visited Rick Joyner’s church, at which Bob Jones was also present. In my letter I detailed several reasons why I cannot accept Joyner and Jones as true apostles or prophets. Apparently, my letter was a bit of a surprise to Kathy so she passed it along to a friend of hers by the name of Patricia King (extremeprophetic.com, *also see my post Extreme and dangerous teachings) who apparently knows Bob Jones and Rick Joyner. Patricia replied to Kathy and claimed I was in error about Jones and also stated that Christians need to guard against negativity and that we need to pray for covering of ALL ministries. This is sadly typical among many of these so-called “prophetic” ministries today; rather than examine things in light of documented evidence, the truth of Scripture and sound reason, they give responses like Patricia’s – warning against negativity, against touching God’s anointed, against receiving any contrary report and making a righteous judgment/discernment, and seek to discredit the ones pointing out the error but without any stated evidence to back up their claim. I responded to the very short response Patricia gave Kathy (who in turn forwarded it to me). The following is that letter. I wanted to re-print it here since it contains further evidence why I cannot in good conscience receive Rick Joyner, Bob Jones or Paul cain as true apostles, prophets or ministers of God. NOTE: A few details in the letter have been edited to clarify context and some minor corrections adjusted. I also shared my corrections with Kathy concerning the initial resources regarding Bob Jones.
Ok, here’s my long-winded response to the concerns voiced by your friend (Patricia King) who thinks I am misrepresenting Bob Jones…
The news about Jones was reported in the Olathe Daily News paper, 11/31/91. It contained that Jones admitted to sexual misconduct. He was removed from “ministry” to undergo a process of “restoration”. This news was also published in a book called “What Happened To The Fire” by Lee Grady (1994). On page 103 it states, “About a year later, after the church had become affiliated with John Wimber’s Vineyard network of churches, Jones admitted to a moral failure and was removed from his leadership position. Later, Mike Bickle stated publicly that he had promoted Jones improperly. He admitted that his church’s emphasis on prophecy and mystical experiences had been unhealthy and destructive.” Then, in another review of the Kansas City Prophets, Bill Alnor of the Christian Sentinal reported the following: “Jones, who was using his spiritual authority to induce women to disrobe for him, was removed from that church.” I have contacted Bill personally and he will be forwarding me a copy of the investigative internal report that was published directly by the leadership team at the church where this incident transpired. The Apologetics Index, which is a ministry that researches resources on cults, sects and other religious movements, doctrines and practices, also reported on the matter. They state the following, that Bob Jones “was removed from the Vineyard Anaheim because of sexual improprieties, which consisted of encouraging women to undress in his office so they could stand ‘naked before the Lord’ in order to receive a ‘word.'” In addition to this, several cult watch organizations have put him (Bob Jones) on watch for the same thing. Those are my sources concerning the sexual misconduct issue… (more at link)
And this is the man who Todd Bentley is listening to and who asks him about, and promotes this Angel by the name of Emma.
Also see; The Kansas City Prophets – Inside a Prophetic Service, which gives an inside view.
While researching this revival today, and the programs being aired at GODTV, it was noted by at least 2 people who watched a recent program that this ‘Angel’ was also being referred to by Bentley as not only ‘Emma’ but ‘Emma-O’ on occasion. Could that be a slip of the tongue on his part, or a clue to who this really is?
Emma-O’, derived from the Sanskrit Yama (see Yama), is the Japanese Buddhist Lord of Jigoku, or Hell (see Jigoku). Emma judges souls and places them in hells appropriate to their crimes. In this context there are a total of eight hells. These have been described by people who were for one reason or another released from punishment. The hells are a popular subject for Japanese scrolls. Emma’s primary enemy is Jizō (see Jizō), always a supporter of the dead souls against Emma and usually the victor over his dark adversary. As Jizō’s popularity has grown and Emma’s diminished, Emma has become a demon.
Irregardless if you believe there could be a connection between Bob Jones’ Angel Emma, (and Todd Bentley’s) with this false god or demon in mythology, is neither here nor there: what both these men are communicating with is a demon–disguised as an Angel of God. There is not ONE iota of doubt in my mind that this is true. I’ve prayed, wept many tears before the Lord concerning this. Do not be deceived friends…it is what it is. Ask yourself, would this Angel ‘Emma’ have helped ‘birth’ (as Jones claims) such a movement as the KCP’s…which not only introduced the false notion that prophets ‘only have to be correct part of the time’, and the other false teachings, but also produced sexual scandals within the movement?
The other one being that of Paul Cain, another Kansas City Prophet, also involved in the Elijah List today: see Paul Cain, Latter Rain Prophet of Renown Is Now Discredited.
Paul Cain, a prophetic legend and a living bridge to William Branham and the Latter Rain of the 50’s, has now been revealed to be an alcoholic and a practicing homosexual. Ironically, this disclosure came at the hands of his fellow prophets who had elevated him to a super prophet status and who themselves endeavored to attain the lofty prophetic mantle of Cain himself. Bob Jones, a Kansas City prophet, himself discredited by sexual indiscretions in his prophetic practice, referred to Cain’s prophetic ministry as: “the terror of the Lord” (Al Dager, Vengeance is Ours, (Redmond, Washington: Sword Publishers), July, 1990, p.131).
One last comment:
You may have noticed in one of the quotes above the name Lee Grady of Charisma magazine. The author mentions Grady’s book, written back in 1994, “What Happened To The Fire”
In this book, which I have read excerpts of, Lee Grady, and rightly so takes to task the false prophetic movement, mysticism, and false doctrine which has and is even now permeating the Church:
quote from a review of his book:
Grady writes. “Charismatic churches in America today are laden down with tons of baggage that needs to be thrown over board. If we would reject our misguided mysticism, our smug elitism and our hollow egotism, I believe our churches would be aflame with holy zeal. If we would renounce our bizarre infatuation with money and success, I believe, God would grant us true passion for the Savior. If we would stop mistreating the flock of God, He might give us man more sheep to tend. And, most importantly, if we would stop building our own human-centered kingdoms, He might afford us the honor of playing a part in building His.”
“The Word-faith movement has, in many cases, infected the Body of Christ with gross materialism. Rather than focus our attention on meeting the needs of people less fortunate than we are, or on reaching the unreached for Christ, the prosperity gospel has turned our concern inward, on how we can acquire more wealth, nicer cars or bigger houses.”
He rejects the idea as unbiblical the charismatic/Pentecostal line that there’s a new wave of the spirit comprised of last day super Christians. He says this idea is “elitist” and is left over from the heretical Latter Rain movement of the 1950s: “Nowhere does Scripture foretell a special breed of Christians who will one day surpass all others in their spirituality, and the sooner we banish this perverse doctrine from our midst the better. The Bible is clear. All men and women fall into one category: unrighteous.”
In accepting the idea that there are super prophets with us today such as Bob Jones, who was affiliated with the Kansas City Fellowship run by Mike Bickle (which was later incorporated into John Wimber’s Vineyard Movement), we are accepting “witchcraft” into the church, Grady writes on page 104. (Jones, who was using his spiritual authority to induce women to disrobe for him, was removed from that church.) He writes that another super prophet, Paul Cain, also of Wimber’s movement, has given numerous false prophecies.
In a chapter entitled “Fabricating the Anointing” Grady gives one of the best explanations of the “slain in the spirit” phenomenon I have seen. He correctly states that it is not biblical nor was “collapsing under the power of God” common in the early church. He says much of it is learned behavior and adds: “I have also watched evangelists send believers tumbling to the floor by brute force, by whacking them on the forehead. Pushing people to the ground to simulate God’s anointing is a sham that cheapens the gifts of the Holy Spirit.” (link)
AFTER WRITING THIS BOOK, we now read that Grady is not only promoting the very thing he warned about, but is warning the Sheep not to have ‘a wrong attitude’…in other words stop being a Berean, and don’t rock the boat.
J. Lee Grady, editor of Charisma magazine, has posted a timely message on Faith News Network on the subject of healing. He begins his editorial with a reminder of what exactly Jesus disliked about the Pharisees: primarily their hyper-legalism. “They stayed away from women, children, dead bodies, lepers, beggars, sinners, blood, shellfish, pigs and—especially—people of other ethnic backgrounds,” writes Grady. “They didn’t want ‘unclean’ Gentiles to corrupt them.”
When Jesus traveled to the Decapolis region and healed a deaf and dumb villager (possibly a Gentile), Grady says, “Jesus broke every religious rule in the Pharisees’ hand-washing manual when He performed this miracle….Jesus was making a point. He didn’t come to earth to spend His time washing His hands inside a synagogue. His message was not about what not to eat or who to avoid. He came to touch dirty people. He came to cleanse lepers, heal bleeding women, hold children, eat with tax collectors and forgive prostitutes.”
“Too often,” adds Grady, “we fall under the influence of the ‘religious sanitation police.’ Religious systems despise healing, and they certainly don’t endorse touching the addicted, the diseased, the demonized or the dying…True holiness invades sickness, sin and shame—and overcomes it.”
Concerning current revivals with manifested healings, Grady concludes, “God wants a holy breakout. He intends for all believers to lay hands on the sick and to restore the broken. The same Holy Spirit who anointed Jesus to cleanse lepers has empowered us with a healing touch. Please don’t sit on your hands during this crucial hour.” (more at link)
Can you see the irony in this?
also see, CBN, Lakeland Revival Miracle Healings Continue, another ministry, like Grady who I have to believe has not done their homework on any of the leaders of this revival or their teachings: namely Todd Bentley, Bob Jones or Patrica King. And yes, they are personally involved as well as Bentley.
I will end with this…yes I believe in true God sent revival, yes I know God still heals today, yes, I believe in miracles, and yes, I believe in all the gifts of the Holy Spirit being in operation today.
BUT I also know, because the word of God tells us so, that we are not to accept every spirit but to try the spirits; 1John 4:1
I also know we were warned more then once, to beware of false prophets:
“But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction. And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of. And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not” 2 Peter 2:1-3
A further portion of the quote from Todd Bentley from above on Emma:
Within three weeks of that visitation, (from ‘Emma”) the church had given me the biggest offering I had ever received to that point in my ministry. Thousands of dollars! Thousands!… During this visitation the pastor’s wife (it was an AOG church) got totally whacked by the Holy Ghost – she began running around barking like a dog or squawking like a chicken as a powerful prophetic spirit came on her. Also, as this prophetic anointing came on her, she started getting phone numbers of complete strangers and calling them up on the telephone and prophesying over them… Then angels started showing up in the church.”
Now ask yourself, is that REALLY evidence of the God of the Bible?
May God bless you in your search for truth, and may you always be a true Berean.
*see also WolfTracks: Let Sleeping Wolves Lie? and the excellent links at the end of their post.
*from Bentley’s newsletter today:
We have rescheduled all our programming, and are about to make some revolutionary decisions which will no doubt cost us more revenue, but we want to be OBEDIENT to the Spirit of the Lord. As many of you have guessed, we have NO BUDGET to broadcast this outpouring. It was not in OUR plans – oh but HOW it was in GODS PLANS FOR GOD TV!
We have gone out on a limb and are riding the wave with the Holy Spirit. This Sunday we run out of the money given to carry the revival live EVERY night, but our hearts AND YOUR hearts are all burning to keep the revival on air!
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