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Lakeland Revival: Todd Bentley, Bob Jones, and some things to consider


Let me begin by saying, in the last few days I’ve received some pretty nasty letters from those who were angry with me for posting some of the teachings of Todd Bentley; why? Because they believe this revival and Todd Bentley’s teachings are from God. I’ll respond now to those letter with this: In my 28 years of serving the Lord I’ve learned this: its better to obey God then man, and from Man I have nothing to fear, but from God I have much to answer for if I fail to obey.

moving on…

Below I’d like to just present a few links, quotes, and things to consider on the subject of this so-called Angel called ‘Emma’ and this revival with the understanding that what is posted will most likely not change the minds of those who are defending this man’s visions or ‘Angel sightings’…but, nevertheless I’ll obey the Lord. I feel this is important mainly because at least (2) well know Christian leaders and/or Org. are now promoting this highly: one is Lee Grady of Charisma magazine the other the CBN network.

Lets begin with Todd’s own words:

“Now let me talk about an angelic experience with Emma. Twice Bob Jones asked me about this angel that was in Kansas City in 1980: “Todd, have you ever seen the angel by the name of Emma?” He asked me as if he expected that this angel was appearing to me. Surprised, I said, “Bob, who is Emma?” He told me that Emma was the angel that helped birth and start the whole prophetic movement in Kansas City in the 1980s. She was a mothering-type angel that helped nurture the prophetic as it broke out. Within a few weeks of Bob asking me about Emma, I was in a service in Beulah, North Dakota. In the middle of the service I was in conversation with Ivan and another person when in walks Emma. As I stared at the angel with open eyes, the Lord said, “Here’s Emma.” I’m not kidding. She floated a couple of inches off the floor. It was almost like Kathryn Khulman in those old videos when she wore a white dress and looked like she was gliding across the platform. Emma appeared beautiful and young-about 22 years old-but she was old at the same time. She seemed to carry the wisdom, virtue and grace of Proverbs 31 on her life.

She glided into the room, emitting brilliant light and colors. Emma carried these bags and began pulling gold out of them. Then, as she walked up and down the aisles of the church, she began putting gold dustThe Lord answered: “She is releasing the gold, which is both the revelation and the financial breakthrough that I am bringing into this church. I want you to prophecy that Emma showed up in this service-the same angel that appeared in Kansas city-as a sign that I am endorsing and releasing a prophetic spirit in the church.” on people. “God, what is happening?” I asked. (courtesy of endtimes prophectic words)

I’m not going to comment on the entire content of this, having already done so in other posts, but want to say a few words on the bolded sentences:

Bob Jones mentions the Angel ‘Emma’ to Todd…telling him this same Angel appeared in Kansas city in 1980: this was 3 years prior to Bob Jones formally joining up with the Kansas City Prophets, (see KCP: The Roots of the Revival by Tricia Tillin) and that it was this Angel which helped to birth the Prophetic movement in the 80’s; (The Kansas City Prophets)

If by chance you are one of the few Christians, or a new Christian who has not heard or read of the scandals which came out of this movement called The Kansas City Prophets, I’d like to post a couple links and quotes:

(From intotruth:A look at his experiences and their hazardous effect on the body of Christ, By Timothy Smith, former member of Kansas City Fellowship – aka Kansas City Prophets)

Emblazoned on the pages of Charisma Magazine, Christianity Today, and a host of other publications, these men are gaining worldwide recognition. Who are they? What is it they are doing that has attracted the eyes and ears of so many? The place is Kansas City; the time is 1989-1990. An energetic young man by the name of Mike Bickle is leading a group of people who are in the midst of seeing the apostle and prophet restored to the church. Prophetic words that reveal secrets of the heart are a regular occurrence at a place known as Kansas City Fellowship.

By far, the most extraordinary individual is Bob Jones (not connected in any way to Bob Jones University). White-headed, middle-aged and plainspoken, Bob has a gentle, nostalgic persona that endears those he is talking to. His annual visit with the Lord on the Day of Atonement is probably Bob’s biggest claim to fame. Throngs of souls wait in anticipation for this event known as The Shepherd’s Rod, when, according to Bob, Jesus turns every believer over to inspect them like a shepherd does his sheep, (see Ezekiel 20:37, RSV). There is no concern about his lack of theological training, no alarm at his mixture of cultic beliefs with the Christian faith, and absolutely, positively no keeping score of prophecies and visions which turned out to be false! After all, Mike Bickle has stated that Bob Jones seems to walk with the Lord day and night. However, no human is perfect, and that is why today’s emerging prophets and seers miss a few here and there. As they mature God will help them increase in accuracy and power, Mike explains.

So goes the story of a movement that has ensnared tens of thousands of individuals. People who are sincere in their devotion, who really do want to serve God and do His will. But, as I was for my five years at Kansas City Fellowship, they are sincerely wrong. Danger lurks in places or people who toss discernment out the window in order to be part of the “new thing” God is doing.

Literally hundreds of examples could be used in exposing the mystical, cultic origins of Bob Jones’ visions and dreams. Why have I chosen this particular vision? Because it illustrates more than any other the world Bob Jones lives in. It reveals the supernatural, Gnostic foundation upon which Kansas City Fellowship and the prophetic movement at large is founded upon, more than any other single item I have come across in years of research on this “new breed” of ministry leaders. The vision of Basilisk is but one instance of what the apostle Paul warned the church at Colosse to be wary of:

“Do not let anyone disqualify you by making you humiliate yourself and worship angels. Such people enter into visions, which fill them with foolish pride because of their human way of thinking. They do not hold tightly to Christ, the head. It is from him that all the parts of the body are cared for and held together. So it grows in the way God wants it to grow.” — Colossians 2:18-19, NCV.

During my five-year tenure at Kansas City Fellowship I was an eyewitness to the teachings and experiences of Bob Jones and John Paul Jackson, as well as the lesser known “prophets” and “seers.”

One of the key elements in the early history of Kansas City Fellowship was the comet that appeared in the sky on May 7, 1983. Of course, none other than Bob Jones predicted this comet. Planets, comets, weather patterns, even visits with angels and trips to heaven are things Bob speaks of as confirmations of his dreams and visions being from the Lord. As you will read later, the Shoemaker-Levy 9 comet that bombarded Jupiter in 1994 is used as a confirmation of this vision of Basilisk.

The purpose of analyzing this vision is not personal attack. I have nothing against Bob Jones as a person. What I am concerned about is those who are being led astray by his unscriptural teachings. Drawing from personal experience and many hours of research, it became clear to me that this vision of Basilisk, and the account thereof, contains numerous inaccuracies, not the least of which is shaping events and scriptures to justify God as the vision’s source. Thanks for taking the time to read this article. May God bless and direct you in His will for your life… (go to link to read more)

This is but one of any number of articles which tell of the false prophecies, dreams, and visions of this group, in particular Bob Jones. also read: “Vintage Metro: My Eight Years With The Kansas City Prophets” (Part One), (Part Two), and A Look at the Kansas City Prophets.

Bob Jones…the same Bob Jones who was a member of the Kansas City Prophets (now with The infamous Elijah List prophets, as are most of the KCP) has had his share of controversy.

From an open letter at Prayershack:

Quote;

In November 2005 I received a letter from an old friend of mine, Kathy. She was actually responding to a letter I had sent her detailing some points about a recent trip I had taken to North Carolina where I visited Rick Joyner’s church, at which Bob Jones was also present. In my letter I detailed several reasons why I cannot accept Joyner and Jones as true apostles or prophets. Apparently, my letter was a bit of a surprise to Kathy so she passed it along to a friend of hers by the name of Patricia King (extremeprophetic.com, *also see my post Extreme and dangerous teachings) who apparently knows Bob Jones and Rick Joyner. Patricia replied to Kathy and claimed I was in error about Jones and also stated that Christians need to guard against negativity and that we need to pray for covering of ALL ministries. This is sadly typical among many of these so-called “prophetic” ministries today; rather than examine things in light of documented evidence, the truth of Scripture and sound reason, they give responses like Patricia’s – warning against negativity, against touching God’s anointed, against receiving any contrary report and making a righteous judgment/discernment, and seek to discredit the ones pointing out the error but without any stated evidence to back up their claim. I responded to the very short response Patricia gave Kathy (who in turn forwarded it to me). The following is that letter. I wanted to re-print it here since it contains further evidence why I cannot in good conscience receive Rick Joyner, Bob Jones or Paul cain as true apostles, prophets or ministers of God. NOTE: A few details in the letter have been edited to clarify context and some minor corrections adjusted. I also shared my corrections with Kathy concerning the initial resources regarding Bob Jones.

Hi Kat…

Ok, here’s my long-winded response to the concerns voiced by your friend (Patricia King) who thinks I am misrepresenting Bob Jones…

The news about Jones was reported in the Olathe Daily News paper, 11/31/91. It contained that Jones admitted to sexual misconduct. He was removed from “ministry” to undergo a process of “restoration”. This news was also published in a book called “What Happened To The Fire” by Lee Grady (1994). On page 103 it states, “About a year later, after the church had become affiliated with John Wimber’s Vineyard network of churches, Jones admitted to a moral failure and was removed from his leadership position. Later, Mike Bickle stated publicly that he had promoted Jones improperly. He admitted that his church’s emphasis on prophecy and mystical experiences had been unhealthy and destructive.” Then, in another review of the Kansas City Prophets, Bill Alnor of the Christian Sentinal reported the following: “Jones, who was using his spiritual authority to induce women to disrobe for him, was removed from that church.” I have contacted Bill personally and he will be forwarding me a copy of the investigative internal report that was published directly by the leadership team at the church where this incident transpired. The Apologetics Index, which is a ministry that researches resources on cults, sects and other religious movements, doctrines and practices, also reported on the matter. They state the following, that Bob Jones “was removed from the Vineyard Anaheim because of sexual improprieties, which consisted of encouraging women to undress in his office so they could stand ‘naked before the Lord’ in order to receive a ‘word.'” In addition to this, several cult watch organizations have put him (Bob Jones) on watch for the same thing. Those are my sources concerning the sexual misconduct issue… (more at link)

And this is the man who Todd Bentley is listening to and who asks him about, and promotes this Angel by the name of Emma.

Also see; The Kansas City Prophets – Inside a Prophetic Service, which gives an inside view.

While researching this revival today, and the programs being aired at GODTV, it was noted by at least 2 people who watched a recent program that this ‘Angel’ was also being referred to by Bentley as not only ‘Emma’ but ‘Emma-O’ on occasion. Could that be a slip of the tongue on his part, or a clue to who this really is?

From Answers.com;

Emma-O’, derived from the Sanskrit Yama (see Yama), is the Japanese Buddhist Lord of Jigoku, or Hell (see Jigoku). Emma judges souls and places them in hells appropriate to their crimes. In this context there are a total of eight hells. These have been described by people who were for one reason or another released from punishment. The hells are a popular subject for Japanese scrolls. Emma’s primary enemy is Jizō (see Jizō), always a supporter of the dead souls against Emma and usually the victor over his dark adversary. As Jizō’s popularity has grown and Emma’s diminished, Emma has become a demon.

also see, Britannica online, and Encyclopedia Mythica

Irregardless if you believe there could be a connection between Bob Jones’ Angel Emma, (and Todd Bentley’s) with this false god or demon in mythology, is neither here nor there: what both these men are communicating with is a demon–disguised as an Angel of God. There is not ONE iota of doubt in my mind that this is true. I’ve prayed, wept many tears before the Lord concerning this. Do not be deceived friends…it is what it is. Ask yourself, would this Angel ‘Emma’ have helped ‘birth’ (as Jones claims) such a movement as the KCP’s…which not only introduced the false notion that prophets ‘only have to be correct part of the time’, and the other false teachings, but also produced sexual scandals within the movement?

The other one being that of Paul Cain, another Kansas City Prophet, also involved in the Elijah List today: see Paul Cain, Latter Rain Prophet of Renown Is Now Discredited.

quote;

Paul Cain, a prophetic legend and a living bridge to William Branham and the Latter Rain of the 50’s, has now been revealed to be an alcoholic and a practicing homosexual. Ironically, this disclosure came at the hands of his fellow prophets who had elevated him to a super prophet status and who themselves endeavored to attain the lofty prophetic mantle of Cain himself. Bob Jones, a Kansas City prophet, himself discredited by sexual indiscretions in his prophetic practice, referred to Cain’s prophetic ministry as: “the terror of the Lord” (Al Dager, Vengeance is Ours, (Redmond, Washington: Sword Publishers), July, 1990, p.131).

One last comment:

You may have noticed in one of the quotes above the name Lee Grady of Charisma magazine. The author mentions Grady’s book, written back in 1994, “What Happened To The Fire”

In this book, which I have read excerpts of, Lee Grady, and rightly so takes to task the false prophetic movement, mysticism, and false doctrine which has and is even now permeating the Church:

quote from a review of his book:

Grady writes. “Charismatic churches in America today are laden down with tons of baggage that needs to be thrown over board. If we would reject our misguided mysticism, our smug elitism and our hollow egotism, I believe our churches would be aflame with holy zeal. If we would renounce our bizarre infatuation with money and success, I believe, God would grant us true passion for the Savior. If we would stop mistreating the flock of God, He might give us man more sheep to tend. And, most importantly, if we would stop building our own human-centered kingdoms, He might afford us the honor of playing a part in building His.”

“The Word-faith movement has, in many cases, infected the Body of Christ with gross materialism. Rather than focus our attention on meeting the needs of people less fortunate than we are, or on reaching the unreached for Christ, the prosperity gospel has turned our concern inward, on how we can acquire more wealth, nicer cars or bigger houses.”

He rejects the idea as unbiblical the charismatic/Pentecostal line that there’s a new wave of the spirit comprised of last day super Christians. He says this idea is “elitist” and is left over from the heretical Latter Rain movement of the 1950s: “Nowhere does Scripture foretell a special breed of Christians who will one day surpass all others in their spirituality, and the sooner we banish this perverse doctrine from our midst the better. The Bible is clear. All men and women fall into one category: unrighteous.”

In accepting the idea that there are super prophets with us today such as Bob Jones, who was affiliated with the Kansas City Fellowship run by Mike Bickle (which was later incorporated into John Wimber’s Vineyard Movement), we are accepting “witchcraft” into the church, Grady writes on page 104. (Jones, who was using his spiritual authority to induce women to disrobe for him, was removed from that church.) He writes that another super prophet, Paul Cain, also of Wimber’s movement, has given numerous false prophecies.

In a chapter entitled “Fabricating the Anointing” Grady gives one of the best explanations of the “slain in the spirit” phenomenon I have seen. He correctly states that it is not biblical nor was “collapsing under the power of God” common in the early church. He says much of it is learned behavior and adds: “I have also watched evangelists send believers tumbling to the floor by brute force, by whacking them on the forehead. Pushing people to the ground to simulate God’s anointing is a sham that cheapens the gifts of the Holy Spirit.” (link)

AFTER WRITING THIS BOOK, we now read that Grady is not only promoting the very thing he warned about, but is warning the Sheep not to have ‘a wrong attitude’…in other words stop being a Berean, and don’t rock the boat.

From Breaking Christian news:As Florida Healings Continue, Charisma Editor Warns Against Wrong Attitudes

J. Lee Grady, editor of Charisma magazine, has posted a timely message on Faith News Network on the subject of healing. He begins his editorial with a reminder of what exactly Jesus disliked about the Pharisees: primarily their hyper-legalism. “They stayed away from women, children, dead bodies, lepers, beggars, sinners, blood, shellfish, pigs and—especially—people of other ethnic backgrounds,” writes Grady. “They didn’t want ‘unclean’ Gentiles to corrupt them.”

When Jesus traveled to the Decapolis region and healed a deaf and dumb villager (possibly a Gentile), Grady says, “Jesus broke every religious rule in the Pharisees’ hand-washing manual when He performed this miracle….Jesus was making a point. He didn’t come to earth to spend His time washing His hands inside a synagogue. His message was not about what not to eat or who to avoid. He came to touch dirty people. He came to cleanse lepers, heal bleeding women, hold children, eat with tax collectors and forgive prostitutes.”

“Too often,” adds Grady, “we fall under the influence of the ‘religious sanitation police.’ Religious systems despise healing, and they certainly don’t endorse touching the addicted, the diseased, the demonized or the dying…True holiness invades sickness, sin and shame—and overcomes it.”

Concerning current revivals with manifested healings, Grady concludes, “God wants a holy breakout. He intends for all believers to lay hands on the sick and to restore the broken. The same Holy Spirit who anointed Jesus to cleanse lepers has empowered us with a healing touch. Please don’t sit on your hands during this crucial hour.” (more at link)

Can you see the irony in this?

also see, CBN, Lakeland Revival Miracle Healings Continue, another ministry, like Grady who I have to believe has not done their homework on any of the leaders of this revival or their teachings: namely Todd Bentley, Bob Jones or Patrica King. And yes, they are personally involved as well as Bentley.

I will end with this…yes I believe in true God sent revival, yes I know God still heals today, yes, I believe in miracles, and yes, I believe in all the gifts of the Holy Spirit being in operation today.

BUT I also know, because the word of God tells us so, that we are not to accept every spirit but to try the spirits; 1John 4:1

I also know we were warned more then once, to beware of false prophets:

“But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction. And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of. And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not” 2 Peter 2:1-3

A further portion of the quote from Todd Bentley from above on Emma:

Within three weeks of that visitation, (from ‘Emma”) the church had given me the biggest offering I had ever received to that point in my ministry. Thousands of dollars! Thousands!… During this visitation the pastor’s wife (it was an AOG church) got totally whacked by the Holy Ghost – she began running around barking like a dog or squawking like a chicken as a powerful prophetic spirit came on her. Also, as this prophetic anointing came on her, she started getting phone numbers of complete strangers and calling them up on the telephone and prophesying over them… Then angels started showing up in the church.”

Now ask yourself, is that REALLY evidence of the God of the Bible?

May God bless you in your search for truth, and may you always be a true Berean.

pj

*see also WolfTracks: Let Sleeping Wolves Lie? and the excellent links at the end of their post.

*from Bentley’s newsletter today:

We have rescheduled all our programming, and are about to make some revolutionary decisions which will no doubt cost us more revenue, but we want to be OBEDIENT to the Spirit of the Lord. As many of you have guessed, we have NO BUDGET to broadcast this outpouring. It was not in OUR plans – oh but HOW it was in GODS PLANS FOR GOD TV!

We have gone out on a limb and are riding the wave with the Holy Spirit. This Sunday we run out of the money given to carry the revival live EVERY night, but our hearts AND YOUR hearts are all burning to keep the revival on air!

If its within your power to sow into broadcasting this historic outpouring – and you are led by the Lord to do so – countless millions around the world will be eternally grateful – what can we say – things we know your heart already beats with – multitudes are already being DELIVERED, SET FREE, HEALED, RADICALLY SAVED AND SET AFLAME BY THESE BROADCASTS ALL ACROSS THE EARTH!

We need YOU… the Body of Christ needs YOU… the lost world needs YOU to ensure these live broadcasts keep going for the next 40 days!

Please help us NOW! (click here to make this happen!)

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139 comments on “Lakeland Revival: Todd Bentley, Bob Jones, and some things to consider

  1. Who doesn’t want true revival?

    Very insightful writing.

    We need revival so desperately. It seems to me, I could be wrong, a true God revival starts with each one of us. And then we ignite others as they have a big dose of Godly life change.

    For me? I hope something undeniably God-infused breaks outs. For now I’ll stay in my basement; read two fists full of His Holy Word, praying, believing in faith. And maybe read the book “Preparing for Revival” …for the fourth time.

    May God bless you and keep you and make His face shine upon you…and more.

  2. I suppose the newsletter was entitled:

    “Want revival? Sow me the money!!!!!”

    How long before Steve Munsey is hired to speak?

  3. Praise God for your diligence providing such thorough research!

    May the eyes of many be opened to see the truth that has been presented by you and others, regarding this individual.

    Stay focused on Christ people!!!!

  4. I appreciate the thoughtful and prayful research above. I find the “Emma-O” stuff particularly troubling and was not aware of it previously. We cannot be so desperate for revival that discernment gets thrown to the wayside. BUT….we do need revival. The church in America is in horrible shape. No purity, no power….simply ichabod….

  5. pj,

    I commend you for your painstaking research.

    No more money for broadcasting? What happened to CNN and all the others?

    “it’s even going to hit CNN, it’s going to hit news broadcasts, it’s going to be talked about all over America. ” -Rob Deluca (as prophecied over Todd Bentley and the nations on March 8 at the “Downpour Conference” on the Gold Coast in Australia, regarding the Florida revival)

  6. Who doesn’t want true revival?

    We need revival so desperately. It seems to me, I could be wrong, a true God revival starts with each one of us.

    Rick you’re right, we all do want and need a true revival. The church is in desperate need of being awakened. And i agree, it starts in the hearts of individuals. If you read about the great moves of God in the past, they always began with a ‘few’…one or two deciding to repent, pray, and seek God. As time would go on, more would join with them in the same manner.

    What will it take here in the US Church? the same thing…

  7. aha! Thanks Jerry…you made me laugh; (“sow me the money”)

    Munsey? well nothing would surprise me…i expect to see many “questionable” teaches/preaches showing up if it continues going on.

    I find the “Emma-O” stuff particularly troubling and was not aware of it previously

    Andrew, it disturbed me too…out of everything i’ve read and heard, the accounts of this Angel ‘Emma’ is one of the most disturbing. Demons like to mock and boast…so when i was told of two instances when Todd referred to “her” as Emma-O it caught my attention.

  8. Thanks Kurt and SheepyWeepy…

    I thank the Lord for all the diligent work put into the research which the authors did at the links in the post. All i did was read and gather them together in one post.

  9. That may be so, but not everyone can gather a mess of information like that (it is messy stuff, isn’t it?) and put it together it into a comprehensible format which gives understanding to the reader.

    I pray that the Lord will use the diligence of all involved in the exposure of these false prophets to save many from deception.

  10. LOL! Yes its messy…I was up until 5am!

  11. […] By the way, read the excellent post that reveals this (and much more) at pjmiller’s blog here: Lakeland Revival: Todd Bentley, Bob Jones, and some things to consider […]

  12. I think your facts concerning the Bob Jones are a little off.
    Bob Jones didn’t do his disrobing deal in Anaheim or at any Vineyard, the Kansas City folks were no longer part of the Association of Vineyard Churches at that time.
    Same is true of Paul Cain.
    Truth is the Kansas City Prophet interaction with Vineyard was short lived.
    Jim Odabashian

  13. Thanks PJ. We appreciate your all your hard work for the Body of Christ.

    Seems the deceptions and dangers are really escalating.

    Blessings,
    Cathy

  14. […] LAKELAND REVIVAL, TODD BENTLEY, BOB JONES, AND SOME THINGS TO CONSIDER […]

  15. Hi Jim..

    I think your facts concerning the Bob Jones are a little off.
    Bob Jones didn’t do his disrobing deal in Anaheim or at any Vineyard, the Kansas City folks were no longer part of the Association of Vineyard Churches at that time.

    Same is true of Paul Cain.

    Truth is the Kansas City Prophet interaction with Vineyard was short lived.

    I don’t believe there was any reference in the links to Paul Cain being associated with the Vineyard at the time of his fall…From my research the Vineyard severed ties with the KCP prior to this being uncovered. When it began though, he could or could not have been with the Vineyard…i don’t think it was ever made public knowledge how long his activities had been going on.

    As far as Bob Jones though, again from my search, he was still affiliated with Wimber and The Vineyard at the time of the disclosure of the women and disrobing, but nothing i read disclosed “where” exactly these things occurred:

    1989 (August) Wimber so impressed with KCP that he publicly calls for every Vineyard pastor to be ministered to by the KC prophets. Kansas City Fellowship becomes a Vineyard church

    1990 Ernie Gruen (Full Faith Church of Love, Shawnee, Kansas), one of the fathers of the charismatic movement in Kansas City, releases a tape of his sermon “Do We Keep Smiling and Say Nothing?” accusing KCF of sending out false prophets, of “prophesying” area churches would close down (and then join KCF), and of outright lying. He also releases his 233-page document to Christian leaders across America listing other alleged abuses at the KCF.

    1990 (January) shaken to the core by the public scandal caused by Gruen’s expose, Bickle and the Kansas City Fellowship elders attempt damage limitation. They issue an open letter calling Gruen’s report untruthful and negative, but say they are open to correction.

    1990 (June) Bickle submits all KCP ministries to Vineyard covering. In return, Wimber issues some cautions and promises to rein in the worst activities of KCP. Paul Cain calls John Wimber his lifelong mentor and father and says he is “bonded to him for life”.

    1990 (June) Wimber, Gruen and Bickle meet to come to agreement on the problem. Gruen promises to stop circulating his report, but stands by its allegations.

    1990 (July) UK evangelical leadership including the EA sign a statement expressing their support for KCP and saying “we have no doubt about the validity of their ministry”.

    1990 UK charismatic leader David Pytches writes a book about his involvement with the KCP, “Some Said It Thundered”, highly recommending their ministry.

    1991 Grace Fellowship incorporated into the Vineyard as the Kansas City Metro Vineyard Fellowship. Wimber takes the KCP on a world tour and promotes the “prophets” worldwide under the umbrella of the Vineyard Movement.

    1991 (November) Bob Jones exposed in a sexual scandal and removed from public ministry by Vineyard/KCF.

    http://www.intotruth.org/kcp/kcp-roots.html

    also,

    In a special letter from Rick Joyner’s website the following information was recently released:

    “In February 2004, we were made aware that Paul had become an alcoholic. In April 2004, we confronted Paul with evidence that he had recently been involved in homosexual activity. Paul admitted to these sinful practices and was placed under discipline, agreeing to a process of restoration, which the three of us would oversee. However, Paul has resisted this process and has continued in his sin… With our deepest regrets and sincerity, Rick Joyner, Jack Deere, Mike Bickle.”

    I was forwarded this message at the time…

  16. Your concern for the body of Christ is honorable but I believe you have discerned something good to be evil. First, you make it seem like redemption is a non-issure. Second, you give a description of a spiritual encounter and simply discard it because, in your opinion, it is not Godly. Third, you speculate that Emma is a demon without any real evidence. Fourth, you fail to acknowledge any good results: healings, 24 hour prayer houses, fulfilled prophecies and over a million recorded salvations. Fifth (and most importantly), you deny Christ’s blood by labeling all Christians as “unrighteous”.

  17. Jonathan..

    Fifth (and most importantly), you deny Christ’s blood by labeling all Christians as “unrighteous”.

    I don’t believe i did that anywhere in the post–and i didn’t see any indication of that thought in any of the comments. Can you point to what was written which makes you believe that?

    We are made righteous ( in right standing) by our faith in Christ Jesus–for its His righteousness that covers us.

    We know our own righteousness, without Christ, is as filthy rags.

    you speculate that Emma is a demon without any real evidence

    There’s no speculation on my part at all.

    Do you have evidence this ‘spirit’ in not a demon?

  18. PJ,

    This is what make me think of saying “Sow Me the Money!!!!”

    http://www.howtobecomeamissionary.com/todd-bentley-mp3-audio-please-dont-be-a-huckster/

  19. Thanks Jerry…

    I’m listening to this as i write…..

    “Stuffing gold coins down my shirt…”

    What a disgrace!

    “an Angel of finance”…..

    Yeah sure….blasphemy!

    “gold nuggets coming out of his scalp”

    Good grief!

    This man is so caught up in Angels…and is so deceived its frightening to listen to him. What he is doing in this audio, is USING the supernatural to elicit money from the crowd.

    WOE WOE WOE!

  20. It is very important to test the spirits. In 1 John chapter 4 The Apostle John tells us this. In Acts 17 The bereans did the same, and remember The Apostle Paul was the one being tested. As a full Gospel Christian I do this. Where in the Bible does it ever mention a female angel? The bible mentions Gabriel and Michael But emma? I am not on a witch hunt. Jesus tells us in Matthew 24 that deception would run wild in the last days. I have not formed a opinion about Lakeland I am in study about it.

  21. Pastor Roger i have never read of an Angel being referred to as female in the bible either…

    It is very important to test the spirits. In 1 John chapter 4 The Apostle John tells us this. In Acts 17 The bereans did the same, and remember The Apostle Paul was the one being tested.

    Amen. Too many Christians judge something by how it makes them ‘feel’. This is a dangerous way to test.

    The only true and 100% correct way, is to compare what we hear and see to the scriptures.

    God bless!

  22. Thank you, thank you, thank you…for the confirmation and validation I have needed as I have struggled in my own Florida charismatic church. I have been saying some of the very same things you point out in this blog and am just now on the brink of leaving this movement behind and taking my newly-saved family with me. Reading this was like hearing my own voice echoed back to me…how I needed this. Thank you.

  23. How can you judge these men and their experiences with God? As long as they are always pointing to Christ and giving Him all the glory, they are true men of God. They make mistakes, they are human. A false prophet can’t call on the name of Jesus, these men give Jesus all their praise and honor!

  24. Thank YOU, jardinprayer!

    Your comment was a personal encouragement to me.

  25. How can you judge these men and their experiences with God?

    We judge their teachings and the experiences they claim to have by the Word of God Maggie.

    Its the ‘yard-stick’ by which we should judge everything.

  26. Just wanted to thank you for putting this article together, the facts make a lot of sense. That money MP3 was the most disheartening “preach” I have ever heard.It is true,we have to be aware of the false prophets.

  27. I wrote against this movement on a prophetic website and was chastened for being negative and ‘critical’. This is how they work with ‘contrary arguments’. The man who runs the website responded to me in the website’s public post that Sola Scriptura (scripture only) is bunk and that ‘the Spirit supercedes the letter’ (paraphrase) then proceeds to give me the scripture to back it up. What? I want to reply but am tempered a little because I don’t just want to react in haste. I want to ask him this: Brother, I suppose if someone who is of Roman Catholic beliefs told you that this angel of light was the Virgin Mary herself and that this was a ‘thus saith the Lord’ from the Pope who had an encounter with her, you would run to Scripture to prove them wrong. If this is so, then you use Scripture as a baseline for truth to attack an argument outside of Scripture then use it to defend your own use for these ‘angelic encounters’ that includes Bentley being taken up to heaven and being operated on by “hosts in white robes ‘cutting him open with a miter saw, gutting him, then sowing ‘truth’ back into him” (youtube video).

    You can’t have it both ways, either the Bible is the infallible Word of God that is our only baseline for rightly dividing truth (meaning the Holy Spirit will not go outside of it and point back to it) or we chase the wind with every ‘spirit filled word’ only relying on our own subjective discernment to figure out every charlatan’s blather. In the latter case, you have to consider, and give credibility to, every doctrine of the Roman Catholic Church since they do not believe in ‘scripture only’ (even including their extra books in their Bible) because they believe their doctrine is ‘spirit filled’. To say their extra-biblical doctrine isn’t spirit filled and yours is, is a dangerous and arrogant judgment…At this point, you have now placed YOURSELF as the highest discerning authority accountable to nothing or no one except your own truth which the Bible describes as foolishness in being ‘a law unto yourself’.

  28. Dear friend,
    I was just about to head down to the Florida revival. Now, I question their intentions and last nights broadcast when Bob Jones came out and said that God would not allow things to continue with out the first nations people. It will be interesting to see if all the healing is confirmed by Doctors reports. Much of Katheryn Cullmans Ministry was confirmed. Note: Deloris Wendells book ” Joy comes in the Morning. But the knocking down business, and pushing people to the ground is not of the Holy Spirit. Most people take a curtosy fall because they think that is what they are supposed to do. I had wondered about Bob Jones and all the allcolades that people had been giving him. If he was sexually wrong he should have had a long restoration before being allowed to preach again. Miracles still are happening through the power of Christ daily. The problem is is that the devil has crept in the Pentecostal Church and other Charismatic movements and has brought in false apostles, prophets, and teachers, that have mixed blood with unholy water… They are using the word of wisdom and word of knowledge like the diviners of the eighties. They had to go some where.
    But Christ is the victor and judgement begins with the house of God. First, the church of Laodacia will fall to pieces and is already being exposed for what it has become i.e. a self help, PMA philosphy commentary, with people more concerned about selling their latest book to help you up the next rung or heaven. Those that follow the truth will be taught by the holy spirit and his spirit will expose the false ones by discernment. Latter, these false witchdoctors will be exposed for their lack of love and their love of money and or power. Christ is King. Then God will raise up an army of believers empowered by the Holy Spirit and or he will clean up the heresy and restore perfect worship and healing that gives glory to none other than Jesus Christ.

  29. Thank YOU crayo! I hope it helped you…

    Hi Richard..

    I wrote against this movement on a prophetic website and was chastened for being negative and ‘critical’.

    Aha!..Richard, you should read some of the letters i’ve received, or a few of the comments left here at the blog: I’ll release the ones, to be posted, which are civil, even if they support Bentley’s visions angels etc…but some of them are so nasty i can’t.

    Take heart Richard…give people the truth whether they accept it or not.

    You can’t have it both ways, either the Bible is the infallible Word of God that is our only baseline for rightly dividing truth (meaning the Holy Spirit will not go outside of it and point back to it) or we chase the wind with every ’spirit filled word’ only relying on our own subjective discernment to figure out every charlatan’s blather.

    Amen, and that it is the bottom line.

    Sadly, signs and wonders, and ‘feelings’ have replaced the word of God, in many Christians lives..

  30. Bob Jones came out and said that God would not allow things to continue with out the first nations people.

    David, what did he mean by that statement?

    Miracles still are happening through the power of Christ daily.

    The problem is is that the devil has crept in the Pentecostal Church and other Charismatic movements and has brought in false apostles, prophets, and teachers, that have mixed blood with unholy water…

    Yes i believe God still does miracles today too…

    “..mixed blood with unholy water…”

    Thats interesting. I say that because some years ago i heard the words “unholy mixture” while praying about some things i was witnessing going on in some churches.

    They are using the word of wisdom and word of knowledge like the diviners of the eighties. They had to go some where.

    well at the moment they all seem to be gathering in Lakeland Florida!

    But Christ is the victor and judgement begins with the house of God.

    Amen! Christ is the Victor and His Church will be victorious in the end.

    And sadly you are right—judgment will begin in the House of the Lord.

  31. Hello and God Bless,
    It’s really nice to see a site that is brining some accountability to the church today. There has not been enough of that lately and has really damaged Gods’ chosen.
    I really disagree about the “emma”, “emma-o” thing though. Todd is Canadian and they put that on the end of many words. Anytime he talks there is a tendency for that to happen so I would stray away from making that connection. It just makes all your work look less reliable.
    I also know that Todd does not lead a lifestyle of one who just tries to syphon money out of people. His dwellings are far less than many, many, many ministers I have come to encounter. I believe that his heart is sincere when asking for finances to help air the revival.
    We are all in this thing together and since the revival is bringing people into the Kingdom…we should rejoince over that. If something is out of line we can talk about it but not forget about the reason we are here, to spread the Gospel, bring people to God.
    So…there ya go…my two cents. God Bless!

  32. I encourage all to fast and pray for God’s truth. If we are true followers of the One True God, then the Spirit that dwells within us will either wittness with or against what is being taught & preached anywhere and by anyone. May He have mercy on us.

  33. Let me also add that I had every intention of attending a service in Lakeland, but did not feel released and now I’m truly glad that I obeyed God’s Spirit, but I am troubled, for the Church’s sake. People of God…pray, pray, pray!!!

  34. Thanks to all. Good work and job for all the write ups. Yes, i was much disturbed with this “Emma” angel. But one thing i don’t understand, how can evil spirits resides together with the Holy Spirit in the same temple? Yes, let us not jump into conclusion but let us ponder on the words of Gamaliel as in ACTS 6:34-39. We just have to watch, pray and be sober.

  35. Let me begin by saying, in the last few days I’ve received some pretty nasty letters from those who were angry with me for posting some of the teachings of Todd Bentley; why? Because they believe this revival and Todd Bentley’s teachings are from God.

    I LOVE HOW THESE HYPOCRITES CLAIM TO LIVE AND WALK IN THE LOVE OF GOD AND THEN BECOME SO NASTY EVIL AND WICKED TO THOSE WHO SPEAKING AGAINST THEM! JESUS DIDN’T TEACH HIS DISCIPLES TO CURSE THEIR ENEMIES BUT TO BLESS THEM. THE WORDS AND DEEDS OF THESE FALSE ONES PROVE THAT THEIR FATHER IS THE DEVIL THE MURDERER THE LIAR AND THE HATER AND NOT GOD THE FATHER OF JESUS CHRIST

    • You say:

      “JESUS DIDN’T TEACH HIS DISCIPLES TO CURSE THEIR ENEMIES BUT TO BLESS THEM. THE WORDS AND DEEDS OF THESE FALSE ONES PROVE THAT THEIR FATHER IS THE DEVIL THE MURDERER THE LIAR AND THE HATER AND NOT GOD THE FATHER OF JESUS CHRIST.”

      That’s interesting that you say that.

      Most of the evil speaking that I hear and see comes not from those who accept those who believe that Jesus’ ministry continues through men who have signs, wonders and miracles follow them, but from those who are powerless and impotent and critical of those who believe otherwise, especially those who participate in supernatural ministry.

      Are you telling the truth — that your experience is otherwise? You’re actually saying that, in your experience, the most hateful, mean-spirited, verbally abusive and those who curse Christians the most ARE NOT the non-tongue talkers but those who do?

      If that is what you’re saying, I’d really like the evidence. IT’S ABSOLUTELY OPPOSITE of what I see every day.

  36. Brothers & Sisters in Christ,
    I have observed and seen that since this Lakeland Revival started so much of mud slinging had been done. The Body of Christ has been ripped apart and shredded to pieces not by the devil, but by its own member of the body which is the more painful. Let me inform you that way back in the 1950’s this same kind of revival took place in our hometown. And the person who was involve in this revival often states that everytime he sleeps ‘little angels’ would come and play and move around in his bedroom. There was a great move of the Spirit, it was told that when this servant of God prayed water in drinking glasses that was placed in front of him often ‘boils up’, gold dust, etc use to fall! The revival lasted only for a couple of years and subside and the man was long forgotton and remembere by only those who were involved with him. Even though I am thousand of miles away from Lakeland, but I see the resemblence of the move.
    There is a plumbline for all, and that plumbline is the Word of God, I know our hearts and our temper run wild went we see there is a strange fire involved in this revival. Its good to have defender of the faith, but must it be at the cost of so many new babies in Christ who are in a state of confusion at the moment. Let me remind you all once again the words of Apostle Paul in his letter to the Galatians Chapter 1: 6 – 12 these verses will enlighten your spiritual eyes, this is especially to friends who are new babies in Christ, look not to man, but look to God and His Word. And you will forever remain firm in the Lord.
    As I said in the beginning this Lakeland Revival has cause so much division within the Charismatic churches, this happens to me when I try to show these errors, I was somewhat rebuke for just grapping whatever is being posted in the internet. But I prayed that if its from God it will stay long than men expected, but if not it will subsides within a short while from the day this article is posted.

  37. Thought you might like to send some readers my way…
    Todd Bentley has become ashamed of his “angel” Emma!

    http://blog.thewaycf.com/2008/05/todd-bentley-do-we-have-anything-to.html

    Slice of Laodicea has linked a note about it to me…

    http://www.sliceoflaodicea.com/?p=787

    If you would do the same we can put some more doubt in more peoples minds about this false prophet/teacher.

    In Christ,

    Jon Sharp

  38. Wow! I don’t know what to think right now. I am a sincere seeker. I am very hungry for revival.

    I just returned from Lakeland. I was there from Sunday, Mother’s Day until Saturday morning. I believe a lot of flesh gets stirred up when people get together. I don’t believe everything that manifests is of the Spirit. I am asking God for spiritual discernment to receive the good He has for me and discard the bad.

    1 Jn. 1:7 If we walk in the Light as He is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus Christ His Son cleanses us from all sin.

  39. Didn’t Jesus cause a lot of controversy ? He went against the religious establishment and upset a lot of people. They tried to stone him, throw him off cliffs, and plotted how to kill him. Also, doesn’t God look at the heart – man looks at the outward appearance.

    Jesus is the model: Acts 17:28 In Him we live & move & have our being. Also Acts 10:38. So I want to see the fruit that is being produced from this move or outpouring. I pray His Kingdom com and His will be done on earth as it is in heaven.

  40. Hullo:-) .. i live in New Zealand and have been watching Todd Bentley’s revival in Florida via YouTube the past 3 weeks.. I initially was shocked to see what he looked like, however, I was judging by human standards.. after much consistent research, reading all the gossip and hear-say blogs and forums, checking with scripture whether the outpouring is the Holy Spirit. “in my opinion” i so far, am saying YES it is of God, the True Jesus Christ and Holy Spirit… the more i study and learn about what Todd Believes in.. the more real it is becoming. I have prayed and asked God to affirm the truth but so far no personal answer. Today i listened to Todd Bentley preaching on ” THE SECRET PLACE OF HIS POWER” posted Jan2008. and I think the entire message is correct and true.. no normal Christian has the attitude and approach and thirst for God and Truth as Todd Bentley has expressed in this message. If you have not heard it I challenge you http://www.freshfire.ca/media_centre/mediaPlayer.html

    I realise that there are some things that Todd says and does are NOT scriptural, but this should not discourage us from seeking the truth, my motto is “keep the good & discard the evil” .. Todd is a man and has the same temptations and lack of knowledge and error mixed with truths in his life as we ALL do {if any man says he has no sin he is a liar} Yes I know the Blood of Jesus cleanses us from all sin etc.. and we are saved by Grace alone (sorry not here to preach, so will get back to the topic) I do think God has sent Todd with 1 main purpose and that is to start revival and minister in miracles and healings to bring us Christians back to walking with God.. I personally wouldn’t be to concerned with everything that Todd teaches.. as long as he is acknowledging his power is from Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit and God the Father there can be no deception. It is the anti-christ spirit which denies Jesus Christ as Lord and I have not heard Todd deny Jesus – he gives all the glory to Him. It is not our choice on how God uses men to give Him Glory. He can make an animal speak or the stones themselves and that is scriptural. In my opinion using Todd is God’s blessing because many young people would never go near any Pentecostal or Baptist church and proof is thousands are being saved!! they are turning to Jesus and reading His Word, if this was of the devil then he is fighting for the wrong camp – remember Jesus was accused of using demonic power and at the end was crucified.. the same is true today.. they want to crucify Todd.. I say crucify the falseness and keep the truth, it’s not about Todd, but about salvation and healing from God in Jesus Christ and the power of His Holy Spirit – you can reject Todd and his teachings but do not reject God – there is salvation in NO other name except Jesus Christ [now, I am preaching!@!]  and from what I have seen and heard there is much truth in this revival – don’t discard it, be careful and test the spirits, pray about everything and seek God yourself.

  41. Yes… Jesus caused controversy. Just like Ted Haggard, Jim Bakker, Jimmy Swaggart, Oral Roberts etc. caused controversy. Oh wait…. They sinned and gave false prophecies.

    Controversy does not equal righteousness. Todd Bentley is an anti-biblical, heretical, false teaching, false prophet.

    His will is that all men come to repentance. Outside of that His “Kingdom” can not come.

    Revival is NOT about feel good songs, tingly fingers and toes, miracles, signs, wonders, etc.

    True Revival is about New Life… it is about repentance and salvation… it is about us crying out to Him in sorrow for our sin, begging Him to have us… not that he would heal our aching back, pay our car payment and cure grandma’s cataracts.

    Or maybe I’m wrong. I’ll check my bible again.

  42. That is… “GOD”S will is that all men come to repentance.”

    I wish it was Todd Bentley’s…

  43. heyhey, i agree that God’s will is repentance, but how can one repent if one does not first come to Jesus. Sinners came to Jesus. Jesus always healed first, cast out the demon then told them to sin no more. Salvation is ALL God’s Grace from beginning (calling) to end (receiving Jesus as Lord & Saviour). I am still listening to Todds preaching and am astounded in the depth that God has taken him… so far so good!!.. if someone has never experienced visions, revelations, prophesies, dreamt dreams and felt the presence of God in their lives then they should not judge what Todd is on about, lest they be found to be Judging God Himself – “whoever judges God’s servant judges Him who sent him”. I would advise great caution in what is said about Todd.

    I think that many Pentecostal church gatherings are very fleshly, with the band playing and people praying stuff they really have no belief in, just the feel good stuff, no more anointed than a heathen rock concert. However, I do know personally that God can anoint “any” music or words for His Glory and our Salvation. I challenge anyone reading this to listen to Todds preaching, it is very scriptural (or am I reading the wrong bible? – ie. King James)

    http://www.freshfire.ca/media_centre/mediaPlayer.html

    If you don’t have an open mind to listen to Todd preaching, then try Derek Prince Ministries:> He was used by God to deliver power of healings & miracles.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Derek_Prince

    As for people in Todd’s meetings making noises like animals.. that is usually associated with demonic activity (but a I am no expert), as for people falling over.. I can’t comment although it does appear they usually cry and pray in repentance as God convicts them of sin – again I am no expert, I have never been ‘slain’ in the spirit (as they say) (my hypothesis only). As far as I know the scriptures, when the Holy Spirit descended with power, no one fell over, (correct me if I’m wrong) although I imagine being in God’s presence would easily bring a person to their knees, even as though dead.

    As for Angels, I have never heard Todd saying to worship them (as is forbidden in the Bible), however denying seeing them would be fallacy, perhaps Todd should keep his mouth shut and stop throwing pearls before the swine.

    I have yet to hear and see any solid evidence that this so called revival is demonic?. Please prove me wrong. I am not a follower of Todd but of God in Jesus Christ and His Holy Spirit. I believe the Bible is the true infallible living Word of God. The thief comes to kill steal and destroy, I (Jesus) have come to give life and give it more abundantly…Jn10:10, correct me if this is not what Todd has been commissioned to do. The word ‘revival’ is not in the bible, so what ever definition you give it, becomes your reality.

    http://www.searchgodsword.org/

  44. That’s basically my point. There is no “revival” defined. But we do have the Word of God to define whether we should accept whatever happens at the so-called revival meeting.

    I just updated my blog. Here is a relevant clip…

    >>>Ultimately, when extra-biblical “signs and wonders” or teachings/prophecies are claimed, pentecostal/charismatic organizations are afraid to speak out against them because to do so would shatter much of their history and discredit many of their former “saints of God”.

    They think that by speaking against any “manifestation” they are “grieving the Spirit” and “putting God in a box”. I heard Bob DeWaay relate an illustration about putting God in a box. It was something like this…

    We don’t put God in a box… He puts US in a sheepfold. And the protective fence He gave us in the New Covenant age is the Word of God, the Bible! He gave us boundries so we could stay safe, KNOW Him, and please Him. The fence is our measuring rod. It says that what is inside is safe. What is outside is error. It is by the bible alone that we may judge rightly how far we can go. The extra-biblical signs, wonders, miracles, manifestations etc. are the garbage that the wolves (false prophets and false teachers) have laid outside the fence to tempt us into venturing out and they will be our destruction.

    Thomas Brooks wrote that God’s “fence” has two attributes:
    1. protection (Job 1:10), “Haven’t You placed a hedge around him, his household, and everything he owns?”
    2. affliction (Hosea 2:6-8), “I will hedge up her path with thorns. I will wall her in…”

    The hedge of protection—is to keep His people from danger.
    The hedge of affliction—is to stop His people from wandering.

    The hedge of protection—is to keep them in God’s way.
    The hedge of affliction—is to keep them out of sin’s way.

    The hedge of protection—is to keep them from suffering.
    The hedge of affliction—is to keep then from sinning, and to put them upon returning to God <<<

  45. Sir, I’ve read and heard ALOT of Todd’s “teaching” and it is NOT biblical… even by KJV standards 🙂 (not to mention ESV, NKJV, ASV, NIV, NRV, NLT, etc. etc.

    I would be interested in seeing which of the many “teachings” on his site you would say is scriptural! The fact that they contain scripture does not make them scriptural!

    Also you said “…they should not judge what Todd is on about, lest they be found to be Judging God Himself – “whoever judges God’s servant judges Him who sent him”. I would advise great caution in what is said about Todd”

    Todd is CLEARLY NOT God’s servant. He is a false teacher and a false prophet who associates with a group of heretics! So in this case there is no need to worry about that warning. In fact, look at what God advised concerning the fate of false prophets in the Deut 13 & 18
    1. They must die or
    2. We must Ignore their words (they are not from God) and fear them not (God won’t deal with you for ignoring them because the false prophet’s words are not from God!

    In the New Covenant I’ll concern myself with “killing” his ministry by leading others away from it. I’ll also be ignoring his “words from God”. And I’ll tell the world that, lest they be led astray, they should ignore him as well for the sake of their souls.

  46. CAN ANYONE PLEASE REFER ME TO WHERE I CAN ACQUIRE EITHER “AUDIO” OR “VIDEO” OF TODD BENTLEY TALKING ABOUT HIS “healing angel, emma”???????

    please e-mail to tdk19890@aim.com

    thank you!
    God Bless.

  47. Guys, guys, guys
    Hold on for just a second. Stop, look and turn around and see just how much the devil has cause all this indifference between fellow brothers.
    Few questions I would like to ask some of you who have been castigating Brother Todd Bentley:
    1. How many lost souls have you lead them to Jesus Christ.
    2. Have you put into practice what you have heard and preach according to the teaching of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.
    3. Is this what Jesus Christ like most? i.e. to have divsion in his body.
    4. Have you sit in discipleship like brother Todd did?
    5. Have you evr spend time at the feet of Jesus like brother Todd did?
    6. Don’t you think that Bro. Todd can renounce the angel “emma”?
    7. Isn’t there forgiveness with God?

    These are few questions I humbly ask my brothers and sisters in Christ.

    As I have mentioned earlier in this blog. Let us WATCH, PRAY and be ALERT.

    • I appreciate your trying to get guys to see things the way they should.

      Unfortunately, hate comes from hard hearts and hard hearts don’t receive correction well.

  48. hi Zekh…

    Few questions I would like to ask some of you who have been castigating Brother Todd Bentley:

    no one is castigating Todd Bentley or anyone else…what we are doing is examining his beliefs and teachings. (and his associates)..This is biblical.

    You write at the end..

    Let us WATCH, PRAY and be ALERT

    What are to be watching for my friend, and to what are we to be alert to?

    We are to watch, be alert, and examine all teachings coming from those claiming to be operating by the Spirit of God. If they are unbiblical, we are to shout out a warning to the other sheep–in particular the little lambs.

  49. if someone has never experienced visions, revelations, prophesies, dreamt dreams and felt the presence of God in their lives then they should not judge what Todd is on about, lest they be found to be Judging God Himself – “whoever judges God’s servant judges Him who sent him”. I would advise great caution in what is said about Todd.

    I have, and when they occurred presented them to at least one or more other christians to be examined by the word of God, and by the Holy Spirit within them. That is called accountability and wisdom, not judging of the person but ‘what’ they believe they received.

  50. Ultimately, when extra-biblical “signs and wonders” or teachings/prophecies are claimed, pentecostal/charismatic organizations are afraid to speak out against them because to do so would shatter much of their history and discredit many of their former “saints of God”.

    You make a good point Jon.

    I also, as you pointed out, believe its fear…

    When you have people teaching that ‘touch not my anointed’ means we’re not to judge anything any other Christian says, claims, preaches, et etc…it produces fear in the heart of one questioning anything!

    We are the anointed! ALL Christians are–so obviously that is not what that scripture, which so many pull out of context means. It also cancels out all the warnings in the new testament alone, which tells us to test and try all things.

    Many Christians, wrongly believe they are questioning or doubting God when they judge a teaching or teacher–but, that is a falsehood! What we are doing is obeying the word of God.

    I believe it pleases our Lord that we are concerned enough to test and try all spirits to see if they be of God; and ditto on all teachings! This shows Him we only want and desire those things which come from Him.

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