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Christian Zionism, and ‘John Hagee by Brother Steve of Apostasy Watch’


I had planned on posting just the link pointing to this excellent article and teaching by Steve Lumbley, John Hagee by Brother Steve of Apostasy Watch, posted at Spiritual Pathways this evening. While browsing around earlier today I had come across it and wanted to share it…I pray it is ok with Steve, if instead I post the entire article…I’ll tell you why.

Tonight I received a letter from the organization, Jerusalem Prayer Team. This is an organization made up of Christians inside the ‘Christian Zionist movement, who believe in total support for the State of Modern day Israel. (some of the supporters as is listed in the letter: Dr. Tim LaHaye, Mrs. Anne Graham Lotz, Mr. Pat Boone, Mr. Bill McCartney, Ms. Kay Arthur, Rev. Tommy Tenney, Dr. A.R. Bernard, and Dr. Jay Sekulow are just a few of the more than 300 Christian Leaders who are part of the Jerusalem Prayer Team) I don’t have a problem with that…Israel like many nations today, needs prayer as does its people. The middle east is a hot bed waiting to explode…we all know that.

But this is what disturbs me, especially as this is a Christian Organization: Not one word in the letter about evangelizing those inside Israel,  or praying specifically for the lost inside the nation to come to the knowledge of Jesus as the Messiah–or even praying for those living there, who are believers already but are persecuted. Instead the letter starts off with an excerpt from a book written by Mike Evans, ‘Why the Church should support Israel‘:….

Why the Church Should Support Israel

Many Christians ask me, “How do I know if my church is a Bible-believing church that doesn’t teach replacement theology, progressive dispensationalism or supersessionism?”

Ask yourself some questions:

  1. Does my church pray for the Jewish people, the peace of Jerusalem, and Israel?
  2. Does my church give offerings of compassion to comfort them?
  3. Does my church preach on Israel and its Biblical significance?
  4. Does my church take tours of Israel?
  5. Is there an Israeli flag in my church?
  6. Does my church teach on the significance of Church’s Jewish roots?
  7. Does my church have a Night to Honor Israel or Jerusalem Prayer Summit annually?
  8. Does my church ever preach against replacement theology, progressive dispensationaism, or supersessionism?

If the answer to these questions is “No,” then you may be a member of a church that refuses to believe the Bible, and rejects God’s Eternal promises to the House of Israel. If your church seems powerless, and appears not to be blessed by God, perhaps this is the reason.

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Can you not see where this mind-set which the Christian Zionist movement (and the false teachings of classic dispensationalism) has led many in the Church? No longer should the Church care about lost souls in Israel, praying and promoting evangelizing them with the Gospel..No, now instead of, “Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.” (mark16) its:”Has your church got an Israeli flag” or “Does my church take tours to Israel”…and all the rest of that nonsensical list! And the topper is the false belief that my church or yours, is refusing to ‘believe the bible’ if we’re not doing all the things on that list. In fact he equates “power” or lack of it in our churches to how well we keep to that list.

Folks, that is a lie, and its completely FALSE. I challenge anyone to point me to scripture which says my church has to fly an Israeli flag, or participate in one of John Hagee’s  ‘A Night to honor Israel’ meetings, to be blessed or have ‘power’.

This is the scripture they falsely interpret:

Now the LORD had said unto Abram, Get thee out of thy country, and from thy kindred, and from thy father’s house, unto a land that I will shew thee: And I will make of thee a great nation, and I will bless thee, and make thy name great; and thou shalt be a blessing: And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed. Genesis 12:1-3

What was God telling Abraham, concerning “and in thee all the families of the earth shall be blessed” ?

It was a Messianic prophecy–one which foretold of the coming Messiah-Jesus Christ, who  came down through Abraham. (see Matthew chapter 1) It was Jesus, the one who is the only way to salvation and eternal life, who was promised to be the ‘blessing’ to all the families of the earth.

And what is this political movement doing, if not with-holding the true blessing the people in Israel need!

Listen, I could go on…this kind of false teaching which comes out of Christian Zionism and dispensationalist mind sets, is something I view as one of the most dangerous movements today–even more so then the craziness coming out of Lakeland. Why? Because its been totally accepted as truth and doctrine for well over 100 years within many churches in the the US. It not only robs the Church of the promises of God, but it has spawned the false belief that we, the Church, made up of both Jew and Gentile, have no reason or purpose in taking the good news of the Gospel to lost Jews. The heretical teaching of Dual covenant theology was born from this mind-set…

Which leads me to Steve’s article…which is a re-post from 2006.

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In case you missed it there was a bit of an uproar within some evangelical circles recently when a non messianic Jewish Rabbi claimed that both Jerry Falwell and John Hagee held dual covenant beliefs in regards to ethnic Jews.

The dual covenant idea holds that Jews, by reason of their ethnicity have a covenant with God that is separate from the sacrifice of Christ. In other words dual covenant adherents claim that at least some Jews are accepted by God without believing in the death, burial, and resurrection of the Lord Jesus Christ. This idea is totally debunked by the apostle Paul in his letter to the Romans which we will get to in a moment.

Many well meaning Christians today have embraced a dual covenant approach to the Jewish people without even realizing it due to their unflinching support for national Israel. Preachers like Falwell and Hagee lead God’s people into these types of errors with their constant political proselytizing as well as their faulty interpretation of scripture. There are many reasons for America to support Israel politically but unconditional support for unsaved Jews is antithetical to the teachings of Christ.

Falwell on his website stated-

Earlier today, reports began circulating across the globe that I have recently stated that Jews can go to heaven without being converted to Jesus Christ. This is categorically untrue…………While I am a strong supporter of the State of Israel and dearly love the Jewish people and believe them to be the chosen people of God, I continue to stand on the foundational biblical principle that all people — Baptists, Methodists, Pentecostals, Jews, Muslims, etc. — must believe in the Lord Jesus Christ in order to enter heaven.

Hagee too issued a denial of sorts. While claiming that he neither believed or taught a dual covenant theology, he added that he had;

“made it a practice for 25 years not to target Jews for conversion” at any “Night to Honor Israel” events. If Jews “inquire about our faith at a later time, we give them a full scriptural presentation of redemption.”

With this statement Hagee attempted to claim that he was quoted out of context and that he only refuses to target Jews at his Night to Honor Israel Event. In this, he sounds more like a politician trying to please both sides of the aisle than a preacher with a clear gospel message. The truth is that John Hagee has refused for years to evangelize Jews and has not been afraid to say so publicly when he thinks his American evangelical audience isn’t listening.

The Jerusalem Post which ran the original statements from Rabbi Aryeh Scheinberg on March 1 continues to stand by the story. In a follow up interview which ran on March 21, 2006, Hagee made the following statement;

“I do not target Jews for conversion.” Nonetheless, he stressed, “If you come into my church [of your own volition], you are asking to hear my witness of Jesus Christ and you’re going to get it, wide open.”

Keep in mind this was not a second hand quote from someone purporting to explain what Hagee believes. This statement was made by Hagee himself directly to the interviewer, David Horovitz of the Jerusalem Post.

Just so there would be no confusion, the reporter asked again;

Again outside the “Night to Honor Israel” framework, do you target Jews for conversion?

Hagee’s response;

When I open the doors of Cornerstone Church, 5,000 people fill the auditorium. As I present the gospel message, I don’t know if you’re Muslim, Hindu, Pentecostal, Baptist, Catholic or Jewish. If you come into Cornerstone Church, you are asking to hear my witness of Jesus Christ and the Cross as the way to redemption, and you’re going to get that message, wide open.

So, if a Jew happens to wander into Cornerstone Church during a regular service he will, according to Hagee get the witness of Jesus Christ and the cross as the way to redemption, otherwise, the Jews are on their own.

Hagee further clarifies his beliefs with the following words;

“In Romans 9, Paul states that this three-chapter section is exclusively about the Jewish people. He continues that theme in the 10th chapter, and in Chapter 11 writes in the first verse that “God has not cast away Israel.” This statement by St. Paul is the absolute death knell of “replacement theology.”

Here, Hagee begins to set up his straw man argument by bringing the term “replacement theology” into the discussion. No one has mentioned replacement theology but Hagee interjects it so that he can tear it down with his faulty interpretation of scripture.

Replacement theology claims that the church has “replaced” natural Israel and that the ethnic heirs of Abraham have no more place in God’s divine plan for mankind. Let’s take a look at Hagee’s assertions in light of scripture. It is true that Romans 9, 10, & 11 are about the Jewish people but first it is important to understand just who is a Jew according to Paul.

Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel: Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called. That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed. Rom 9:6-8

Paul is saying here that a descendant of Abraham is not a child of God simply by virtue of his physical ethnicity.

This is a repeat of what Paul has already stated in Chapter 2.

For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh: But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.: Rom 2:28-29

Paul is saying that only those who accept the promises by faith are the true children of Abraham. Not only does that make Christians into Jews spiritually but it specifically excludes those who claim a relationship with God based solely on fleshly attributes.

Look at the first part of verse 28 again.

For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly…….

Now look again at Chapter 9 verse 8

They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God…..

Isn’t that clear? No one is a child of God based on their physical blood or outward religious practices.

So, Hagee is correct in stating that Paul is writing to the Jews but what he ignores is Paul’s definition of just who is a Jew according to God. Every promise made to the Jews physically throughout scripture also applies to the church spiritually. We have not replaced Israel but we have become a part of Israel. When God tells Abraham that he will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee, that applies to Christians today just as much as it ever applied to ethnic Israel.

Hagee also correctly claims that chapter 11 begins with the statement that God has not cast away Israel. One must however continue to read the verse to understand what Paul is saying.

I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin. Rom 11:1

This is really very simple. Paul is saying that it is obvious that God has not cast away his people Israel because he himself is an Israelite. It is also clear however that Paul does not base his covenant relationship with God on his physical ethnicity but rather on his belief in the gospel of the Lord Jesus Christ.

Let’s continue with Hagee’s interview.

Something that is cast away disappears forever. Israel is alive. Israel is thriving. Israel is growing. Israel and the Jewish people have not been cast away by God! Paul makes the statement that “God has not cast away Israel” twice. Romans is a post-Calvary document in which St. Paul states, in 11:5, “even so at this present time there is a remnant [a surviving group of Jewish people] according to the election of grace.” That means very simply that there are Jewish people right now who have favor with God by the election of grace.

I hope you are seeing the deception here because it is classic false teaching. What Hagee is saying is true. It is in the Bible, but it is not the complete truth. It is only partially true because it is taken out of context. This is the exact type of teaching that leads people to embrace false doctrine. Most people will read this or listen to Hagee say this and they will think to themselves ‘yes, that’s in the bible’. They will remember reading those words somewhere and because of that they will accept it as true doctrine, but they are being led astray.

So, again Hagee is correct in stating that there is at this present time a remnant according to the election of grace.

God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew. Wot ye not what the scripture saith of Elias? how he maketh intercession to God against Israel, saying, Lord, they have killed thy prophets, and digged down thine altars; and I am left alone, and they seek my life. But what saith the answer of God unto him? I have reserved to myself seven thousand men, who have not bowed the knee to the image of Baal. Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace. Rom 11:2-5

So far so good right?

There was at that time, and still is today a remnant of physical Jews who were in covenant with God according to grace. Paul was one of those Jews. So was Peter, and John, and Andrew, and all the other apostles. In fact all of the original disciples were physical Jews and were also elect according to grace. And how were those Jewish believers able to enter into a covenant of grace? Were they born into that covenant or did they enter into it by faith in the Lord Jesus Christ?

But Israel, which followed after the law of righteousness, hath not attained to the law of righteousness. Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith, but as it were by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumblingstone; As it is written, Behold, I lay in Sion a stumblingstone and rock of offence: and whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed. Rom 9:31-33

Clearly, the stumbling stone and rock of offense to which Paul refers is Christ. But here is where Hagee walks off the cliff.

That means very simply that there are Jewish people right now who have favor with God by the election of grace.

His definition of the favorable grace of God is far different that what Paul is describing. If you don’t believe me just look at what he says next.

What is going to happen when Jesus comes back? Every Christian believes that Jesus Christ is the messiah. The Jewish people do not believe that. In that regard we have to agree to disagree. I say to my rabbi friends: “You don’t believe it; I do believe it. When we’re standing in Jerusalem, and the messiah is coming down the street, one of us is going to have a very major theological adjustment to make. But until that time, let’s walk together in support of Israel and in defense of the Jewish people, because Israel needs our help.”

This is a truly astounding statement from someone claiming to be an evangelical.

To say that I believe in Jesus and you don’t so we’ll just agree to disagree is an absolute abrogation of Jesus command to go into all the world and preach the gospel unto every creature. Hagee is proposing that the election of grace spoken of by Paul is separate from the covenant of grace established by the death, burial, and resurrection of the Lord Jesus Christ. This, my friends is blatant heresy.

Let’s go back to chapter 10 of Romans to see exactly what grace Paul was talking about.

Brethren, my heart’s desire and prayer to God for Israel is, that they might be saved. For I bear them record that they have a zeal of God, but not according to knowledge. Rom 10:1-2

This is still true today for many Jews. They have a zeal for God but it is a zeal without knowledge.

For they being ignorant of God’s righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God. For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth. Rom 10:3-4

Does this say that Christ is the end of the law for some who believe? Does he say that Christ is the end of the law for every one who believes except a remnant of Jews to whom God has imputed righteousness outside of a belief in Him?

But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach; That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed. Rom 10:9-11

Whosoever would seem to include Jews and gentiles wouldn’t it? Now here’s the clincher.

For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him. For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved. Rom 10:12

How difficult is that to understand? There is no difference between Jew and Greek (gentile). No difference means no difference doesn’t it? There is no difference in the requirements for Jew or gentile. Both are required to come by way of calling upon the name of the Lord.

Now then Mr. Hagee, take a real close look at the next verse!

How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher? Rom 10:14

How shall they enter into that covenant of grace if they don’t believe? And how shall they believe, Mr. Hagee, if you don’t tell them?

As stated earlier, the words quoted from Hagee came from a recent interview with the Jerusalem Post but it is a fact that Hagee has taught this heretical interpretation of Romans for years. In a ministry magazine available on his own website Hagee includes an interview with two B.B.C. reporters in 2002 in which he uses almost identical words to justify his support of Israel.

BBC REPORTER 1: And conversion before the coming of the Messiah is not on your agenda?
PASTOR HAGEE: If a Jewish person asks me about what it requires to be a Christian, I’m delighted to tell them. But I do not target Jewish people for salvation.
BBC REPORTER 1: Couldn’t be clearer. Excellent.
BBC REPORTER 2: Very, very, very interesting.

(from page 19 of JHMagazine Special Edition Summer 2002)

So that there should be no doubt that Hagee has held these beliefs for many years we refer to a letter Hagee sent to the Christian Research Institute dated October 18,1994 in which he states;

“Here is my position on the Jewish people… Fact One: God has not cast away the Jewish people. Fact Two: According to Romans 11:5 there are Jewish people (‘a remnant’) who have a spiritual relationship with God at this present time… according to ‘the election of grace.’”

According to a story in the PFO Journal, Hagee supported his position with this reference to Romans 11:17

“If some of the branches are broken off, that clearly means there are some of the branches not broken off. If they are not broken off, they remain yet on the tree which means they have relationship to God by the election of grace.”

Here again we have an instance of Hagee using only a portion of scripture to support his views. It is true that only some branches were broken off but the key is to understand why they were broken off.

Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be graffed in. Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear: Rom 11:19-20

Paul says some branches were broken off due to unbelief. What was it that they failed to believe? They failed to believe that Jesus was Messiah!

The statement that only some branches were broken off is in no way evidence of a separate covenant.

On the contrary, Paul is simply restating what he’s already said in verse one. That not every branch was broken off is obvious since there were some ethnic Jews, such as Paul himself who did believe!

Now, what does Paul say is the remedy for the broken branches?

And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be graffed in: for God is able to graff them in again. Rom 11:23

If they do not remain in unbelief, God will gladly graft them back into the tree. But the condition here is believing in Jesus as Messiah, not adhering to some separate mystery covenant. Again, we must ask, how can they believe if people like Hagee refuse to tell them?

In his letter Hagee sums up his position with what may be his most preposterous argument of all;

“The Jewish people are judicially blinded to the identity of Messiah… Question: If God blinded the Jewish people to the identity of Jesus as Messiah, how could He send them to hell for not seeing what he had forbidden them to see? … Inasmuch as God has blinded them to the identity of Messiah, targeting the Jewish people for mass evangelism is fruitless.”

I say this argument is preposterous because Paul dealt specifically with this line of reasoning in Chapt 9 verses 11-21

Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will have mercy, and whom he will he hardeneth. Thou wilt say then unto me, Why doth he yet find fault? For who hath resisted his will? Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus? Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour? Rom 9: 18-21

Who art thou Mr. Hagee to reply against God? By using this argument one must wonder whether John Hagee has ever actually read Romans or is the truth so repugnant to him that he just can’t accept it?

John Hagee’s unconditional support for unsaved Jews puts him at odds with the doctrine of Christ. He believes that by refusing to target Jews for evangelism he is showing the love of Christ.

“That Christians have a Bible mandate to be supportive of Israel and the Jewish people, to demonstrate to the Jewish people what they have not experienced from Christianity for 2,000 years… the love of God…………Our support for Israel is without condition

This type of love is no love at all. The love that Jesus displayed as he walked the earth was not unconditional but was based on truth. If John Hagee really loved the Jewish people he would tell then that the savior they seek was born in Bethlehem 2,000 years ago. He would tell them that their adherence to the Torah is worthless without a sacrifice. He would tell them that the only sacrifice acceptable to God was the sacrifice of His own son on Calvary. Love tells the truth. It is not love to allow the Jewish people or anyone else to march blindly into hell.

In light of these facts one must wonder why Hagee feels the need to equivocate when speaking to an American audience but is willing to speak forthrightly to interviewers from other countries.

The only conclusion I can draw from this is that Hagee is knowingly practicing deceit. He knows that most American evangelicals would not support his views if he stated them as plainly as he does when speaking to a foreign audience. On the other hand he loves the friendship and praise of Jewish religious and political leaders so he refuses to do or say anything that would offend them. He loves the praise of men more than the praise of God.

Nevertheless among the chief rulers also many believed on him; but because of the Pharisees they did not confess him, lest they should be put out of the synagogue: For they loved the praise of men more than the praise of God. John 12:42-43

Like the chief rulers of Jesus time, John Hagee wants to have it both ways. He refuses to confess Christ before the Jews because he doesn’t want to be put out of their company. And that makes him a deceiver. From such men we are instructed to turn away.

And this is love, that we walk after his commandments. This is the commandment, That, as ye have heard from the beginning, ye should walk in it. For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist…………..If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed: For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds. 2John1:6-7 & 10-11

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Steve Lumbley: Apostasy Watch, and Spiritual Pathways

9 comments on “Christian Zionism, and ‘John Hagee by Brother Steve of Apostasy Watch’

  1. Truly enjoyed reading this pj.

    Will copy it and add it to my file.

    Either we are for Christ Jesus or we are against Him… there really is no middle ground.

    The assessment on the church was really too much for me… once again setting up our own laws.

  2. Glad you liked it oxy…

    You know the letter i mentioned, from the Jerusalem prayer team? I received part 2 this evening…

    Have you ever felt like throwing your hands up in the air in exasperation? Thats how i felt when i read it tonight–i do not understand–i mean that, i really don’t, how these people fail to grasp the principles AND doctrine of the new covenant. Its like they are straddling a fence with the old covenant on one side and the new on the other…

    I think i just answered my own question. (Thank you Lord!)

    That IS WHY they cannot fully grasp/accept/understand the new covenant! Its because they cannot let go of looking over the fence, back to the old…

    They continue to see Israel (the nation and its people) as still being what it/they were under the old covenant: a people and nation chosen by God to be an example to the heathen nations, of a people serving God.

    Dispensationalist (the classic type) cannot see that God’s people today–and for the past 2000 years are those in Christ: from all nations and tongues.

  3. Excellent pj.

    God has always had a faithful remnant who believed Him. One time He chose Isaac instead of Ishmael. Another time He chose Jacob instead of Esau. And when Jesus came He chose Jews who received Jesus instead of those who didn’t. What is so hard to understand about that?

    Not all of Israel are Israel. Romans 9:6

    Israel wasn’t replaced, but continued on in the believing Jews. Gentiles were grafted in and the door has been kept open by the grace of God for Jews to return and be grafted in when they accept Christ and so all Israel will be saved.

    Jesus statement to the Jews still stands, “Unless you believe that I am He, you will die in your sins.” John 8:24.

    Paul wrote that “We (the believing Jews) are the true circumcision…” Phil 3:3

    The problem as I have studied it is that there is an erroneous belief about the covenant in Deut. 28. God’s promises were always conditional upon trust and obedience. He said IF you obey you will be blessed and IF you disbelieve you will be cursed. The Jews will remain under a curse until they obey God and receive Jesus as their Messiah.

    Again, thanks for the response to Hagee. It’s amazing how erroneous teachings can be given such a large spotlight in the world.

    GB

  4. The problem as I have studied it is that there is an erroneous belief about the covenant in Deut. 28. God’s promises were always conditional upon trust and obedience. He said IF you obey you will be blessed and IF you disbelieve you will be cursed. The Jews will remain under a curse until they obey God and receive Jesus as their Messiah.

    Exactly!

    Those that teach otherwise like Hagee and many other popular bible teachers (Hal Lindsey is another one) have convinced many Christians that there are 2 people of God, based on the mis-interpretation/applying of scripture concerning God’s promises to Israel.

    Steve’s teaching on this issue was excellent. I’m so glad you liked it BB..

  5. Jesus made it pretty clear in John 8 that the Jews that did not accept him as Messiah will die in their sin. He never mentioned another way to enternal life but through him. We need to recognize the difference between Israel as a NATION and Judaism as a religion. Even though the saducees and pharisees were blinded, Jesus still told them who he was…he didn’t say, ah, go ahead and continue doing what you have been doing, I’ll just go hang on the cross for the fun of it and you go ahead and pick which way is right for you as a Jewish Nation.

    Jhn 8:1 ¶ Jesus went unto the mount of Olives.

    Jhn 8:2 And early in the morning he came again into the temple, and all the people came unto him; and he sat down, and taught them.

    Jhn 8:3 And the scribes and Pharisees brought unto him a woman taken in adultery; and when they had set her in the midst,

    Jhn 8:4 They say unto him, Master, this woman was taken in adultery, in the very act.

    Jhn 8:5 Now Moses in the law commanded us, that such should be stoned: but what sayest thou?

    Jhn 8:6 This they said, tempting him, that they might have to accuse him. But Jesus stooped down, and with [his] finger wrote on the ground, [as though he heard them not].

    Jhn 8:7 So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.

    Jhn 8:8 And again he stooped down, and wrote on the ground.

    Jhn 8:9 And they which heard [it], being convicted by [their own] conscience, went out one by one, beginning at the eldest, [even] unto the last: and Jesus was left alone, and the woman standing in the midst.

    Jhn 8:10 When Jesus had lifted up himself, and saw none but the woman, he said unto her, Woman, where are those thine accusers? hath no man condemned thee?

    Jhn 8:11 She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more.

    Jhn 8:12 Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life.

    Jhn 8:13 ¶ The Pharisees therefore said unto him, Thou bearest record of thyself; thy record is not true.

    Jhn 8:14 Jesus answered and said unto them, Though I bear record of myself, [yet] my record is true: for I know whence I came, and whither I go; but ye cannot tell whence I come, and whither I go.

    Jhn 8:15 Ye judge after the flesh; I judge no man.

    Jhn 8:16 And yet if I judge, my judgment is true: for I am not alone, but I and the Father that sent me.

    Jhn 8:17 It is also written in your law, that the testimony of two men is true.

    Jhn 8:18 I am one that bear witness of myself, and the Father that sent me beareth witness of me.

    Jhn 8:19 Then said they unto him, Where is thy Father? Jesus answered, Ye neither know me, nor my Father: if ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also.

    Jhn 8:20 These words spake Jesus in the treasury, as he taught in the temple: and no man laid hands on him; for his hour was not yet come.

    Jhn 8:21 ¶ Then said Jesus again unto them, I go my way, and ye shall seek me, and shall die in your sins: whither I go, ye cannot come.

    Jhn 8:22 Then said the Jews, Will he kill himself? because he saith, Whither I go, ye cannot come.

    Jhn 8:23 And he said unto them, Ye are from beneath; I am from above: ye are of this world; I am not of this world.

    Jhn 8:24 I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am [he], ye shall die in your sins.

    Jhn 8:25 Then said they unto him, Who art thou? And Jesus saith unto them, Even [the same] that I said unto you from the beginning.

    Jhn 8:26 I have many things to say and to judge of you: but he that sent me is true; and I speak to the world those things which I have heard of him.

    Jhn 8:27 They understood not that he spake to them of the Father.

    Jhn 8:28 Then said Jesus unto them, When ye have lifted up the Son of man, then shall ye know that I am [he], and [that] I do nothing of myself; but as my Father hath taught me, I speak these things.

    Jhn 8:29 And he that sent me is with me: the Father hath not left me alone; for I do always those things that please him.

    Jhn 8:30 As he spake these words, many believed on him.

    Jhn 8:31 ¶ Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, [then] are ye my disciples indeed;

    Jhn 8:32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.

    Jhn 8:33 They answered him, We be Abraham’s seed, and were never in bondage to any man: how sayest thou, Ye shall be made free?

    Jhn 8:34 Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin.

    Jhn 8:35 And the servant abideth not in the house for ever: [but] the Son abideth ever.

    Jhn 8:36 If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.

    Jhn 8:37 ¶ I know that ye are Abraham’s seed; but ye seek to kill me, because my word hath no place in you.

    Jhn 8:38 I speak that which I have seen with my Father: and ye do that which ye have seen with your father.

    Jhn 8:39 They answered and said unto him, Abraham is our father. Jesus saith unto them, If ye were Abraham’s children, ye would do the works of Abraham.

    Jhn 8:40 But now ye seek to kill me, a man that hath told you the truth, which I have heard of God: this did not Abraham.

    Jhn 8:41 Ye do the deeds of your father. Then said they to him, We be not born of fornication; we have one Father, [even] God.

    Jhn 8:42 Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me.

    Jhn 8:43 Why do ye not understand my speech? [even] because ye cannot hear my word.

    Jhn 8:44 Ye are of [your] father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

    Jhn 8:45 And because I tell [you] the truth, ye believe me not.

    Jhn 8:46 Which of you convinceth me of sin? And if I say the truth, why do ye not believe me?

    Jhn 8:47 He that is of God heareth God’s words: ye therefore hear [them] not, because ye are not of God.

    Jhn 8:48 ¶ Then answered the Jews, and said unto him, Say we not well that thou art a Samaritan, and hast a devil?

    Jhn 8:49 Jesus answered, I have not a devil; but I honour my Father, and ye do dishonour me.

    Jhn 8:50 And I seek not mine own glory: there is one that seeketh and judgeth.

    Jhn 8:51 Verily, verily, I say unto you, If a man keep my saying, he shall never see death.

    Jhn 8:52 Then said the Jews unto him, Now we know that thou hast a devil. Abraham is dead, and the prophets; and thou sayest, If a man keep my saying, he shall never taste of death.

    Jhn 8:53 Art thou greater than our father Abraham, which is dead? and the prophets are dead: whom makest thou thyself?

    Jhn 8:54 Jesus answered, If I honour myself, my honour is nothing: it is my Father that honoureth me; of whom ye say, that he is your God:

    Jhn 8:55 Yet ye have not known him; but I know him: and if I should say, I know him not, I shall be a liar like unto you: but I know him, and keep his saying.

    Jhn 8:56 Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw [it], and was glad.

    Jhn 8:57 Then said the Jews unto him, Thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast thou seen Abraham?

    Jhn 8:58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.

    Jhn 8:59 Then took they up stones to cast at him: but Jesus hid himself, and went out of the temple, going through the midst of them, and so passed by.

  6. Really what else can you add to that, other than thanks for affirming what I all ready knew and in my mind I see a falling away that precides the antichrist… For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
    Pro 8:13 The fear of the LORD is to hate evil: pride, and arrogance, and the evil way, and the froward mouth, do I hate.

  7. Those pages from Spiritual Pathways containing my articles are no longer available but here is a link to my entire John Hagee page

    http://www.apostasywatch.com/Wolves/WolfReports/JohnHagee/tabid/97/Default.aspx

  8. Since when is John Hagee and many on TV considered Christian or real believers in True Christ Jesus?

    “Dr. Tim LaHaye, Mrs. Anne Graham Lotz, Mr. Pat Boone, Mr. Bill McCartney, Ms. Kay Arthur, Rev. Tommy Tenney, Dr. A.R. Bernard, and Dr. Jay Sekulow are just a few”

    ..None of these are Real believers.. What do you expect?

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