Hebrew roots or Christian roots?, plus…

Mariam posted an interesting news story at endtimespropheticwords:Dick Eastman Every Home for Christ To Build Wailing Wall Replica, which fit in nicely with an article I read last night written by Prof. Johan Malan, Middelburg South Africa: We Cannot be under Law and under Grace. In the past I’ve posted quite a few messages on this type of idolatry…much of it which springs from the erroneous teachings of dispensationalism and from today’s Christian Zionist movement, (you can find a few of these in the Church Infected and the-ologys pages).

Take note in this bizarre news story of the term Judeo-Christian tradition, being used. That term, though used by many Christians today, is an oxymoron folks. Its been used so much by not only many bibles teachers but by the media itself (and politicians) that we as Christians, have come to accept it as something real and right. Those who practice Judaism are lost: plain and simple. They deny Jesus Christ as the Messiah–the Son of God. So to use the term Judeo-Christian tradition is no different then if we began to hear [and use] the term “Islamic-Christian’ tradition…or Hindu-Christian’ tradition. There is no such “animal”. Last December I posted, Politically Correct Words That Obscure the Truth, in which I quoted Moishe Rosen (Founder of Jews for Jesus) who said:

This term is intended to bond Christians and Jews in a common effort. The Jewish community is content to allow Christians to believe there is such a thing as a Judeo-Christian tradition, because it can be useful in the area of Jewish-Gentile relationships. Nevertheless, in the final analysis, most rabbis would insist there is no such thing as a Judeo-Christian tradition. There is a separate Jewish tradition and a separate Christian tradition. Both are based upon intrinsic beliefs. These beliefs sometimes overlap, but sometimes they are diametrically opposed. Those who would like to pretend that a Judeo-Christian tradition exists generally do not have the slightest idea of what “tradition” means.

If Moishe Rosen, himself a Messianic Jew, can see this clearly, it remains a mystery to me as to why non-Jewish believers in Christ, cannot understand this. I could say a lot more, most I’ve said many times in past posts, so won’t go into it all again, but will say the using of this oxymoron/term has even affected government policies, etc..and how the more modern day cult known as the Hebrew Roots movement, (and Christian Zionism) are some of the bad fruit which have resulted. Its idolatry.

From: The Gazette: Christian group building replica of ‘Wailing Wall’

Locals who have longed to visit the Western Wall in Jerusalem but can’t afford the trip soon will be able to mimic the experience without leaving town.

Every Home for Christ, which evangelizes in about 100 nations, will spend $2.3 million on a replica of the Western Wall – also known as the Wailing Wall – and an auditorium to house it. Construction inside its Springs headquarters, the Jericho Center for Global Evangelism, is scheduled to begin Oct. 1, with a grand opening set for April 1.

“Evangelical Christians have very strong ties to Israel because of our Judeo-Christian tradition,” said Dick Eastman, the international president of Every Home for Christ.

“This is a way for us to say, ‘We support Israel.'”

*Notice, its to ‘support’ the political state of Israel, not to evangelize or to take the Gospel message of Jesus Christ and the new covenant to the people–though most who live there are lost.

For centuries, Jews have made a pilgrimage to the Western Wall to pray and leave written prayers in its cracks.

Jews pray and mourn the destruction of the temple at the wall because they consider the area holy ground.

The replica will fill 2,500 square feet of an 8,000-square-foot, 300-seat auditorium, which will be used to train missionaries and teach about prayer.

About 50 tons of stone will be used to construct the mini two-story wall that, along with the auditorium, is being financed by donations. Stones will be cut from an ancient mine outside Jerusalem used for thousands of years to build the city’s most impressive structures.

“The stones connect the wall to Israel,” said Gill Lobel, chief executive of the Jerusalem Stone Co., which is supplying the stones. “They have a holy feel to them.”

The project is taking some creative license: Stone-paved stairways and a top walkway are part of design, and 13 prayer rooms will be inside the wall – none of which are features of the original wall.

As with the real wall, however, visitors can place prayer requests in the replica. Then, each year, the requests will be taken to Israel to go inside the Western Wall.

The wall will be free and open to the public 24 hours a day. The hope is to have Christians and Jews praying together, said Eastman, who thought up the replica-wall idea.

(more Here)


They ‘hope’ to have Christians and Jews praying together…this is the same thing John Hagee has been practicing within the Cufi organization for years. Its called ecumenicalism, or The Ecumenical Movement, which is a last day move of satan to gather all of the world’s religions together under the same umbrella. What I find interesting is even those who speak out boldly against the Ecumenical movement, in regards to any/all other attempts at this, still themselves continue to deny that the ‘meshing’ of Judaism with Christianity, is the same thing. That is a testimony to how ingrained that term, Judeo-Christian traditions, has become within the American Church and the American psyche.

So this group above wants to build this ‘replica’ of the wall to promote Christians and Jews praying together. Well why not continue by also building a replica of the Dome of the Rock? Then they can ALSO come together with those who practice Islam! Same thing folks, same things…one is as wrong as the other.

Many movements have sprung forth from this type of error, as I stated earlier much of it based in dispensationalist teachings and beliefs. One, which can be seen in full-blown cult form, is the Hebrew Root Movement. (but don’t be fooled–a group or church does not have to be known as a Hebrew Roots movement group or church, to have many of the aspects of these false teachings being promoted)

  • A quote from the article by Johan Malan:

Hebrew roots or Christian roots?

The Hebrew Roots Movement is one of various movements committing themselves to exploring the roots of our faith in Israel’s language, culture and religious institutions. They use the image of the olive tree in Romans 11 as biblical justification for their movement. They see the olive tree as Israel, and the grafting in of the wild olive branches as the salvation of Gentiles.

Having been grafted in, Christians from the Gentile world should then be spiritually edified and nourished by the sap which is offered to them from the trunk and roots of the olive tree (Israel).

In the process, many of these [Christian] believers develop a strong Jewish orientation, also observing Jewish feasts and Sabbaths. They prefer to use Hebrew names and terminology – particularly the Hebrew names of God and Christ. Eventually they reduce themselves to no more than a Christian sect of Judaism, and try to live under the law and under grace.

Believers who think they have been grafted into Israel, actually imply that they were grafted into a nation who were dispersed during the past 2000 years because of rejecting the Messiah due to their unbelief and ignorance on Messianic prophecies in the OT. Now that this nation, still in unbelief, is restored to their land and again started keeping their feasts and Sabbaths in which Jesus is denied as Messiah, many Christians are participating with them!

The Hebrew Roots Movement is mistaken by their statement that the whole olive tree is a symbol of Israel. Actually, only the branches of the tree represent Israel – and they were broken off because of unbelief. We were not grafted into the severed branches of the tree, but into the trunk of the tree. The trunk and roots of the olive tree spiritually represent the Messiah. He is described as “the seed of Abraham”, who is the biological progenitor of Israel:

“And the Scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the nations by faith, preached the gospel to Abraham beforehand, saying, in you all the nations shall be blessed. So then those who are of faith are blessed with believing Abraham … Christ has redeemed us from the curse of the law, having become a curse for us … that the blessing of Abraham might come upon the Gentiles in Christ Jesus, that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith … Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He does not say, ‘and to seeds,’ as of many, but as of one, ‘And to your seed,’ who is Christ” (Gal. 3:8-16).

The spiritual blessing which we obtain is not from the Jewish nation, but from the seed of Abraham, which is Christ.

He is “the Root and the Offspring of David” (Rev. 22:16), in other words the origin and King of Israel who also came to be the Light and Salvation of the whole world (Acts 13:47). In John 15 similar symbolism is found of the stem and root which allude to Jesus, while the believers are the branches that are put in a position to bear fruit:

“I am the vine, you are the branches. He who abides in Me, and I in him, bears much fruit” (John 15:5). The branches are pruned in order to bear more fruit. Ongoing sanctification and an unbroken relationship with the Lord Jesus should be pursued: “Abide in Me, and I in you” (John 15:4).

We should, therefore, not become Jewish, more inclined towards Old Testament institutions, and more legalistic – but more Christ-like, more oriented towards the New Testament, and more Spirit-filled.

The Old Testament is indeed important for spiritual edification and knowledge on God’s counsel for humanity.

The NT is the fulfilment of OT promises; it is the substance of OT shadows (Col. 2:16-17). It would be foolish to revert to the shadows of the law and the prophets after having obtained the glorious fulfilment of these prophetic promises in the Lord Jesus, and having been empowered by the outpouring of the Holy Spirit.

We have not been commissioned to become like Israel, but to lead spiritually blinded Jews to Jesus! Make use of OT prophecies to convince Jews that Jesus of Nazareth is indeed the Messiah and Saviour of the world.

Hebrew names

An inherent part of the Judaising of Christianity is the use of Hebrew names for God and the Lord Jesus. This is known as the Sacred Name Movement although their ideas are based mainly upon ignorance and false suppositions. Some of them even go so far as to contend that Greek names for God – from which the sacred names in other languages are also derived – all refer to idols. It is, for instance, alleged that Jesus is derived from Je-Zeus, which means Son of Zeus (a well-known pagan god in Greek mythology). In order to clarify this controversy we need to investigate the use of different languages in biblical times.

(more here)

“Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?  And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel?  And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.  Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you.  And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty” ~ 2 Corinthians 6

17 comments on “Hebrew roots or Christian roots?, plus…

  1. So, we have IHOP “in the spirit of the tabernacle of David in KC. Now a wailing wall in CO!
    I wonder what’s next???
    It seems the flesh of man and the enemy always want to add to the work of the Lord Jesus on the Cross and put us back in some OT structure.

  2. Great article, PJ. I must admit that this topic is something I have only begun to address recently. I was raised in dispensationalism and was always taught that we should defend national Israel because we “owe” them for our salvation. This way of thinking seems to be unscriptural and leads to weird doctrines like what Hagee and others are espousing. I don’t think you could print enough good articles like this. It is a fascinating and much misunderstood topic.

  3. Hey PJ-

    This subject is a bit more involved than “Hebrew roots or Christian roots”. The New Testament or New Covenant could not be called the New unless there were another covenant before that time. The New Testament teachings are clearly built upon the foundation of the Old Testament teachings. You cannot separate the work of God through Israel from the work of God through the church. What the article is promoting is another more subtle form of dispensationalism to replace the dispensationalism it is railing against.

    To say that the entire OT is law and the entire NT is grace, and we are no longer under law but under grace, that’s just wrong. Jesus did not come to do away with the law and the prophets, but to fulfill them. What these people are saying is that the Old Testament just doesn’t apply any more because we are now under a different dispensation. Do you see how they are just moving from one form of dispensationalism to another?

    Now as far as Romans 11, whoever wrote this article is completely misrepresenting another viewpoint. To say that we are grafted in to the nation of Israel is not to say that we are grafted in to unbelieving Israel. The context is clear that Gentiles are grafted in to the believing remnant of Israelites, or elect Israel, thereby comprising the church until the fullness of the Gentiles is come in. I notice they completely discount the sermon on the mount since Jesus instructs them to follow the law therein. They cite the reason for this because Jesus hadn’t died on the cross yet, which is more dispensational type reasoning.

    Jesus instructed the believing remnant of Israelites who had repented and entered the kingdom of God and who would later become the foundation stones of the church. At the end of Matthew, Jesus told His disciples to go throughout the earth teaching all nations to observe everything He had commanded, including what was in the sermon on the mount. Otherwise, wouldn’t Matthew have wisely left that little speech right out so the church wouldn’t be confused?

    It seems to me that this is reactionary theology. It looks at one extreme (hyper-dispensationalism) and reacts in the opposite direction trying to counter what it knows is incorrect. The problem is that it is reactionary instead of being rooted and grounded in a simple straight-forward study of the Word of God.

    I have used the term “Old Covenant”, but I want you to think about something. Is the term “Old Covenant” a biblical term? If so, what does it mean? Can you find any instance of the term “old covenant” in the New Testament writings? Since there were multiple covenants in the old testament (oops, there I go using an unbiblical term) which covenant is the old covenant which stands in opposition to the new covenant? And can that covenant be separated from the other covenants as some try to separate the new covenant from the other covenant? Is the Davidic covenant an everlasting covenant? So when people assert that certain prophecies being fulfilled concerning the nation of Israel put certain future people back under the Old Covenant, which aspects are they talking about? Since Christ came to fulfill the law instead of destroying it, why can’t the law be fulfilled through Christ by fulfilling the promises made to the nation of Israel?

    The former senior pastor of our church used to quote Exodus 20:2 to show that grace was the foundation of the law. “I am the LORD thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.” Grace is all throughout the law and the prophets. And faith is the testimony of all the saints, both OT and NT. Well, I think I’ve ranted enough. I don’t mean to rail so much, but this one got my dander up.

    Have fun and stay busy – Luke 19:13

    -The Orange Mailman

  4. Whatever your opinion on John Hagee, Israel does very much need and deserve our support. They have been the victims of Western “compassion” and Islamic Brutality for years and years. We have abused them, sought to weaken them in the name of peace, and watched idly as her enemies killed and raped her children. Much of the support for Israel is on that basis, and much of the Israel-worship that comes out from time to time is also a natural human response to the Israeli plight. Some people take it a little too far… And some people don’t.

  5. It seems the flesh of man and the enemy always want to add to the work of the Lord

    NLN, that’s true. Wonder why that is? Its just an opinion, but i think its because many Christians do not have a full grasp on the new covenant and its teachings…

    I must admit that this topic is something I have only begun to address recently.

    Me too reformed.

    Its only been in the last 2 years that i really began to look at the whole topic more closely. Once i began to study the more recent Zionist movements, and their teachings, it was clear they had taken on a form of idolatry.

    I was raised in dispensationalism and was always taught that we should defend national Israel because we “owe” them for our salvation. This way of thinking seems to be unscriptural and leads to weird doctrines like what Hagee and others are espousing.

    Yes, the way many of these groups interpret scripture, has led to teachings which are wrong. Some of them are plain heresy like Dual Covenant theology.

  6. I don’t mean to rail so much, but this one got my dander up.

    Now don’t go getting your dander up orange. 🙂

    This is actually about the hebrew roots [and sacred name] movements and, as the news article shows, the idolatry which has sprung up from within the church where the seeds of these movements [and dispensationalism] have been sown.

    When we as Christians are led to believe that constructing a replica of the wailing wall, in order to pray at it, is a good thing…and that the replicated ‘stones’ are ‘holy’ then its idolatry, plain and simple. The only ‘stones’ which are holy today, are the living stones–those who make up the spiritual structure our Lord is building.

    From the news article:

    “This is a way for us to say, ‘We support Israel.’”

    And i say Rubbish…

    If we as Christians want to really do something for the people living in Israel today (and that includes all those living there, both those who practice Judaism and Islam) then let us pray for their salvation, and use our resources to take the gospel of Jesus Christ to them.

    If we can’t go ourselves, then support a group who does–like Jews for Jesus. They send in teams to spread the gospel, in the face of hostile persecution often. Or contact, as i have, messianic churches within Israel, support them and help them in their work to spread the good news that Jesus is the Messiah.

    But spend millions to ‘re-create’ a wall?!? For what purpose? So that Christians can pray with Jews [who deny Christ and still practice Judaism]?

    as i said above;

    why not also build a replica of the Dome of the Rock? Then we can ALSO come together and pray with those who practice Islam.

    Of course we as Christians wouldn’t even ‘think’ of such a thing—YET. But who’s to say in the future, it won’t happen.

    Because that is the goal of the Ecumenical movement.

    The bible tells us;

    “Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers…”

    When we as Christians gather together to pray with those of other religions, we are ‘yoking’ ourselves with them and their false beliefs. Those like John Hagee [and there are others] have been doing this for years, and, encouraging other Christians to do the same.

    Whatever your opinion on John Hagee, Israel does very much need and deserve our support.

    Ricardo, this isn’t about our government standing in support of Israel or any other democratic nation, its about Christians and idolatry. Though sadly, to many Christians, its one and the same.

  7. Mariam, from endtimespropheticwords left the link to a new post put up at her blog this evening…

    The Hebrew Roots Movement & Sacred Name Movement

    I would encourage any/everyone to read it.

    This is a testimony from someone who became deeply involved in the movement…

    I found this personally interesting…

    After leaving we were contacted by a couple that had left a few months before we had. Before visiting with them, I remember really clearing going to my bookshelf and taking a book off the shelf that was a study on Galatians, I know now the Lord was trying to warn me but sadly I put the book back without taking a look at it.

    The reason why was once i began to pray about certain things i was reading on boards/forums, coming from Christians who were caught up in the hebrew roots teachings (at the time, a few yrs back, i didn’t know it had a name, only that much of it deeply disturbed me) the book of Galatians was where the Holy Spirit led me to begin reading.

  8. The Orange Mailman:

    If you want to talk about where the Bible talks about the new covenant being inaugurated and the old passing away, please refer to the book of Hebrews and the books of Jeremiah and Ezekiel. Was there grace under the old covenant? Yes. But it was not a covenant of grace. The purpose of the old covenant was never salvation, but of preparation. Once the things of preparation have served their use, they are not needed anymore, and in many cases they cannot be. When you bake a cake, do you place the eggshells back in the egg carton, as if they still have yolk and whites in them that you can use to make breakfast later on? Of course not. You discard the egg shells. And as for the vanilla, the sugar, butter, flour … you cannot even hold onto them because they are in the cake, and in a form completely unrecognizable than before. And a person can either lament the loss of the fine eggs, butter, milk, sugar, vanilla, and flour ingredients – which have very much merit in their own rights – while going hungry, or they can eat the cake and be filled.

    Listen, Old Testament Israel is not coming back. It is never going to be sovereign because of globalism (as a matter of fact, it is not sovereign now but a United Nations vassal like everyone else). Neither the theocracy that God intended or the monarchy that the Israelites demanded will be established. Israel will remain as a parliamentary republic. And even if the priesthood, the temple, the garments, the sacrifices, and things pertaining to them are re – instituted, they won’t be legitimate because it will either be done A) by unbelieving Jews that reject Jesus Christ or B) Messianic Jews that cannot point to a single scripture or revelation that told them that God told them to. Quite the contrary, if there were, we would have to take out the epistle of the Hebrews plus practically everything that Paul wrote.

    So basically, what you are doing is walking on eggshells … a partial remnant of what was left behind that is devoid of its value and meaning. You have the synagogue system (which was not even part of original Judaism but instead developed in Babylon), the tradition (again, which basically began during the exile and reflects as eastern European religious and cultural thought from the Middle Ages as anything from the Bible place and time), and a very limited set of observances and practices (again which have undergone major revisions since the Biblical days … even the current Jewish calendar isn’t the same).

    It is true that Jesus Christ’s mission was not to start a new religion. It is equally true, however, that the religion of Jesus Christ is far closer to Protestant Christianity than it is to Orthodox, Conservative, or Reform Judaism. What Messianic Jews are doing is taking the Jewish religion that began with Yochanan ben Zakai after 70 AD (and incidentally it was due to ben Zakai that Messianic Jews were ejected from Judaism) and has been through a hundred revisions ever since. That is one of the reasons why the Falash Mura (Ethiopian Jews) have so much trouble in Israel. They wound up in Ethiopia long before Yochanan ben Zakai, and their beliefs and practices are much closer to that of the Old Testament (by the way, the term “new testament) is used 6 times in the Bible … Matthew 26:28, Mark 14:24, Luke 22:20 (the words of Jesus Christ stated during the last supper), 1 Corinthians 11:25, 2 Corinthians 3:6 (Paul), and Hebrews 9:15 (an unknown writer who could not have possibly been Paul, my guess is that it was Apollos). Incidentally, Hebrews 9:15 does not technically say “old testament” but it does say “first testament”, which means the same. In that very verse, you have both the very “new testament” and “old testament” that you claim are so unbiblical. And before you go and claim that the word only appears in the anti – Semitic King James Version, the Greek word in Hebrews 9:15 is diathēkē, which means covenant, testament, or contract. It honestly seems to me, Orange Mailman, that you have to completely rethink your assumptions and challenge those who gave them to you.

    And yes, there are multiple covenants in the old testament … Reformed Christians generally tend towards covenant theology and are fully aware of this. And you also know full and well that old covenant refers to the Sinai covenant of Moses, and not the covenant with Noah, Abraham, or David. (Incidentally, where the Sinai covenant was a conditional covenant that could be – and was – broken by man’s failure to heed it, the other covenants were unconditional.)

    If you want to take the time and effort to recreate the religious practices of the Jerusalem church in Acts, go right ahead. Nothing in scripture precludes it. (Although be aware that the early church in Acts did not have a completed canon … the epistles were not written by that time, and as a matter of fact the gospels may not have been.) I just want to inform you that most types of Messianic Judaism does not do that. Messianic Judaism takes what Yochanan ben Zakai and the Talmud created long after the time of Moses (also after the fall of Jerusalem to Babylon, after the fall of Jerusalem to Rome, and in many instances after the dispersion) and Christianizes it. In that respect, it is little different from Gentile liturgical high churches that, while having removed the apostate and heretical doctrines and practices, still strongly resemble Roman Catholicism.

  9. Just a sidenote…

    If you think the false prophets, teachers, and prosperity gospel pushers, don’t try to cash in on the recent revived hebrew roots movement, you’re mistaken, they do.

    I recall last year Paula White, among other TV ministries using the day of atonement as a scam to illicit money:

    see; The Jewish Day of Atonement is OBSOLETE. The Lord Jesus Christ Reigns!

    Benny Hinn is doing the same thing right now;

    What the Approaching Day of Atonement Means for You


    The fall season, specifically the time of Atonement, is a holy time with God. It was the time Joel was writing and prophesying about.

    Today few people honor this feast day, this Day of Atonement, but God has given the Word to those of us who are beginning to understand and declare the significance of God’s command to honor His holy days.

    The people of God everywhere are starting to catch the vision that God has put within the modern church: His holy days are still holy.

    His holy convocation is still being called to all who will listen!

    However, for nearly seventeen centuries, these powerful truths have been mostly ignored and even rejected by Christians. Thankfully, that is now changing. It must change! There is too much at stake during these crucial, prophetic days.

    I want to ask you to place a significant seed in God’s soil and see it work for you. Just as a special sacrifice was offered on the Day of Atonement, let me ask you to bring a very special offering.

    As with all references to seed throughout the Bible, we are told, time after time, to expect a harvest. Especially during this fertile season, plant your seed in the good soil of this ministry. Be part of a truly historic hour as we take the life-saving and miracle-working Gospel of Jesus Christ to the nations through crusades, broadcasts, and mission outreaches.

    God will multiply your special offering back to you in supernatural ways. The Lord Jesus promises, “Give, and it shall be given unto you; good measure, pressed down, and shaken together, and running over, shall men give into your bosom. For with the same measure that ye mete withal it shall be measured to you again” (Luke 6:38).

    I’d like for you to learn more about the Feasts of Israel. My book, Lamb of God, explains these feasts and what they can mean for you today. I’d like to get it into your hands as we approach the Day of Atonement, and I will send it to you for your gift of any amount during this special season.

    I pray that God will use this season and your Atonement offering to revolutionize your life and that He will pour out more blessings than you ever dreamed possible.

  10. I wonder how many hungry people could be fed with $2.3 million!!! What a tragic and idolatrous waste!!!

  11. Hey Job-

    I’m aware of the passages which speak of the New Covenant. The issue though is that every one of those passages in the OT demonstrate the continuation of the nation of Israel before the LORD forever. Jeremiah 31:31-37 is the classic passage on the New Covenant. It is quite explicit.

    I know Old Testament Israel is not coming back. But New Covenant Israel will be present during the Messianic Kingdom. It will be both a theocracy and a monarchy with Jesus Christ ruling as God, King, and Priest from the New Jerusalem. Israel will have a place of prominence amongst the Gentile nations as the OT prophets clearly prophesied.

    Of course I know that the New Covenant is contrasted with the Mosaic covenant, but the Mosaic Covenant is not the “Old Covenant” which is now obselete. Every commandment given in the Mosaic Covenant still reflects the character of God, resulting in sin when disobeyed. The Covenants cannot be separated from each other. They stand united under the covenant plan of God which began with the seed-promise in the Garden of Eden. Continuity between the covenants is key to understanding them. The Mosaic Covenant makes no sense without understanding the Abrahamic Covenant. They cannot be separated.

    Continuity makes for a nice segue into who Jesus’ disicples truly were. They were the true Israel, the Israelite remnant through whom God had been working all throughout the OT period. They are destined to sit on twelve thrones judging the twelve tribes of Israel during the Messianic reign. This true Israel would be baptized into the eschatological kingdom at Pentecost and await the establishment of the Messianic Kingdom which would occur at the national repentance of Israel.

    I don’t believe in Messianic Judaism. But the Pentecost Church was entirely Israel. Only later were believing Gentiles grafted in. But the Pentecost Church was not unbelieving Israel, but the true Israel, elect Israel, the remnant which had not been blinded.

    Did Jesus come to do away with the law and the prophets?

    Have fun and stay busy – Luke 19:13

    -The Orange Mailman

  12. Hey PJ-

    I appreciate your response. I definitely do not agree with what they are doing. And I agree that the best thing that we can do for Israel is preach the gospel of Jesus Christ to them.

    But, But, But……

    When I read a response to what they are doing that also contains erroneous thinking, I think to myself, “Well on the one hand we have people worshipping Old Testament objects, and on the other hand we have someone trampling on the ten commandments (the Mosaic Covenant) as if they[re not valid anymore. Which is worse?”

    If you think about it, God’s plan for the future need not even come into play to refute what Every Home For Christ is promoting. But somehow somebody uses this radical viewpoint to paint a poor picture of anybody who believes that God will fulfill the Mosaic Covenant through the New Covenant. And then we just dub anything from the OT to be from “Hebrew roots” instead of “Christian roots”. I hope you see my point.

    I’ll go back to playing nice now.

    Have fun and stay busy – Luke 19:13

    -The Orange Mailman

  13. I’ll go back to playing nice now

    Orange, you’re always nice…

    You’re one of most patient people i’ve met on the internet. 🙂

  14. You write: “Those who practice Judaism are lost: plain and simple. They deny Jesus Christ as ..”
    Ribi Yehoshua said:

    “Don’t think that I came to uproot the Torah or the Neviim [prophets], but rather I came to reconcile them with the Oral Law of emet (truth). Should the heavens and ha-aretz (the land, particularly referring to Israel) exchange places, still, not even one ‘ (yod) nor one ` (qeren) of the Oral Law of Mosheh shall so much as exchange places; until it shall become that it is all being fully ratified and performed non-selectively. For whoever deletes one Oral Law from the Torah, or shall teach others such, by those in the Realm of the heavens he shall be called “deleted.” Both he who preserves and he who teaches them shall be called Ribi in the Realm of the heavens. For I tell you that unless your Tzedaqah (righteousness) is over and above that of the Sophrim (Torah Scribes), and of the [probably ‘Herodian’] Rabbinic-Perushim (corrupted to “Pharisees”), there is no way you will enter into the Realm of the heavens! “
    Netzarim Reconstruction of Hebrew Matityahu 5:17-20.


    “Take heed against false Neviim who come to you in wool like sheep, but inside they are wolves who extort. You shall recognize them by their works. Do men pick grapes from a stinging-nettle? Or figs from a thistle? So, every green tree is unable to produce evil fruit, and a dried-up tree is unable to produce good fruit.””

    For words that you don’t understand; se http://www.netzarim.co.il ; the link to Glossaries at the first page.

    Ribi Yehoshua warned for false prophets who don’t produce good fruit = defined as don’t practise the commandments in Torah. See Devarim (Deuteronomy) 13:1-6.
    Now you are confronted with the very words of historical Ribi Yehoshua. You can’t rebel and reject the very words he claims to follow. If you don’t follow Ribi Yehoshuas Torah-teachings, than you don’t follow Ribi Yehoshua.

    So why not start following Ribi Yehoshua? To follow him by practising the commandments in Torah including helping the needy gives true meaning of life!!

    From Anders Branderud
    Geir Toshav, Netzarim in Ra’anana in Israel (www.netzarim.co.il) who are followers of Ribi Yehoshua – the Messiah – in Orthodox Judaism

  15. Hi Anders

    If we deny Jesus as the Messiah we are lost; and the same is true if we ‘follow’ another:

    Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. John 14:6

  16. The Dual Covenant Heresy: More End-Time Deception

    by Jan Markell

    If you hadn’t guessed, Olive Tree Ministries is pro-Israel. In fact, we would be labeled a “Christian Zionist” organization, which certain radio ministries have derided in a most non-Christian manner. We love the Jewish people and I have or had many Jewish family members who were believers. Others went to their graves ignoring the Messiah and His message.

    I have mixed feelings when it comes to various “Nights to Honor Israel” being held around the country. A local mega-church in the Minneapolis/St. Paul area has had some in recent years. I attended in 2007 and was so bitterly disappointed — in fact, sickened –that I chose not to go back last week. Forgive me if this takes on a twinge of being harsh. That is not my purpose. I am just passionate that all come to a knowledge of the Savior while there is time. I would also like to know when was the commandment to take the Gospel to the Jew abrogated? (Romans 1:16)

    Both this year and last year the pastor of the Word of Faith mega-church ended the program by telling both Jews and non-Jews in the audience that the Jews do not need to be either evangelized or “saved.” They automatically are. Pray tell, where does the Bible say that?? The pastor said that “all Israel will be saved.” (Romans 11:26) Yes, they will be saved when they see Him whom they pierced. (Zechariah 12:10) But a remnant must be reached before that. What is to be made of the Jewish revival (or Messianic revival) of the last 35 years?

    This pathetic position is borne out of “Dual Covenant Theology.” If you understand no other heresy today (and most of us are busy putting out heresy fires as there are so many), pay attention to this one. It could lay the groundwork for saying all sorts of people do not have to be saved to enter Heaven, which is just blatant Universalism.

    “Dual Covenant Theology” teaches that Jews can be saved without believing in the Messiah Jesus. God supposedly has a separate plan for the Jews and thus faith in the Messiah is not necessary. Romans 3:23 is also tossed out, which says that, “the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto ALL and upon ALL them that believe: FOR THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE.” John 14:6 quotes Jesus Himself: “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No man comes to the Father but my Me.” How much clearer can it get??

    The sad fact is that there are those who “love the Jews to death” — literally. In their zeal to be popular with the Jewish community and in not wanting to “offend” Jews, they do not want to tell them the truth about eternal life. A small band of these people are “Christian Zionists”; however, most in that movement, including this ministry, profoundly reject the “Dual Covenant Theology.” We love the Jews enough to witness and risk “offending them” so that we might love them into Heaven.

    Years ago a Jewish believer dared to “risk” and “offend” my Orthodox Jewish dad. Had this man not done so, as of my father’s death in 2001 he would now be in the flames of hell. But as he neared death that year, he did not die in fear as he gasped for breath in his closing minutes.

    With that in mind in 2007 when I attended the “Night to Honor Israel” at this same church, I was seated in an all-Jewish section simply because seating was scarce. As I sat down, a Jewish man — a total stranger to me — turned and said to me, “We Jews are safe here. We know no one will try to evangelize us at this church. We know it does not believe in witnessing to Jews.” He was right. This mega-church would rather please the Jewish community and “love them into eternal damnation.” So this “Night to Honor Israel” was really a “Night to Curse the Jews.”

    What an end-time trick of the devil! Convince the church that there are some groups — including God’s own Chosen People — that they can be saved without the cross! I have met many people from this Twin Cities’ church. They are wonderful people but are being misled by a Pied Piper of heresy. And there are many others like him supposedly “honoring Israel.”

    A prominent promoter of this theology was confronted by a missionary to the Jews in Texas. The missionary is Spencer Parker from “Light of the Messiah Ministries.” He has given me permission to print this. He wrote the following to me: “During the reception (after the ‘Night to Honor Israel’), I went up to him and said, ‘As a Jew, I have been told that if I were to die without accepting Jesus I would be condemned to hell. Is this true?’

    “The pastor assured me that if I studied the Torah and lived by its teachings, I have nothing to worry about. Those are his exact words.” This high-profile church also has repeated “Nights to Honor Israel” but withholds the most important message: The gospel of salvation through Messiah Jesus Christ.

    The hour is much too late to let this go by. Challenge these false teachers no matter how “prominent” they are. They are not just deceiving Jewish people, they are deceiving and confusing their own loyal followers who deserve better. I believe they are dishonoring God and will have to answer to Him some day. It may not be a pretty scene.

    While these churches think they are “honoring the Jews,” they are, in fact, acting out a perverted anti-Semitism of the worst kind. Ushering the Jewish people (or anybody) into hell by withholding the gospel is hardly blessing them or doing them a favor.

  17. […] Bible shows in the Gospels that Jesus collided with Jewish leaders of His day. JP Miller talks about how the ‘Judeo-Christian’ term is used by many today that links the […]

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