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Church Under Fire for Gay Exorcism


I’ve been following the controversy surrounding this story. The video clip on youtube is 9 minutes plus long. I would recommend, once it starts, moving the little bar up to the 4 minute mark: Gay Exorcism The Full Version

Charisma:

A Connecticut church has come under fire for a YouTube video showing ministry leaders attempting to cast a “homosexual demon” out of a teenager.

Gay and youth advocacy groups accused Manifested Glory Ministries in Bridgeport of abusing a teenager in the 20-minute video and say the ministry should be investigated.

Robin McHaelin, executive director of the gay youth advocacy group True Colors,  told the Associated Press (AP) she planned to report the church to the Connecticut Department of Children and Families. “They have this kid in a full nelson,” she said. “That just seems abusive to me.”

Gary Cass of the Christian Anti-Defamation Commission said Manifested Glory is being attacked for exercising its religious liberty. “This church is being unjustly maligned for a spiritual practice that goes all the way back to Christ and the apostles,” he said. “The New Testament records very strange activity associated with demonic spirits. Jesus and the apostles confronted these bizarre situations by praying for deliverance.”

“The fact that the video may be strange or uncomfortable should not be surprising, but it is not a reason to attack people who are simply trying to help,” he added. “People have been delivered out of homosexual lifestyles ever since the church began.”

But D.L. Foster, founder of Witness Freedom Ministries in Atlanta and a former homosexual, agrees with gay activists that the church’s behavior was extreme. He told Charisma the video shows a woman putting her foot on the teen’s neck while he lay on the floor thrashing. Another minister pours water in his face.

“It wasn’t like anything that I’ve ever seen, and I’ve been Pentecostal my whole life,” said Foster, whose ministry helps people find freedom from homosexuality. “I’ve seen actual demons cast out. I thought it was just bizarre, the whole thing—the way the young man was treated, this obsession with making sure it was on camera.”

Though he doesn’t believe the church’s behavior was criminal, Foster wrote in a blog posting (*The topic at pastor Foster’s blog is well worth checking out–there’s over 100 comments) that its actions were “a very poor reflection upon the church and Christ to film this as if it were some entertainment and treat the young man in the manner in which he was treated.”

Manifested Glory’s pastor, the Rev. Patricia McKinney, said the church was trying to help the boy. She told the AP that the teen visited the church last year and collapsed on the floor during a service.

“He was out of control in the church,” she said. “This young man came to us. We didn’t go to him.”

She said the church took care of the youth, giving him clothes. “He was dressing like a woman and everything. And he didn’t want to be like that,” McKinney said of the teen, who told the AP he was 16. McKinney said he told her he was 18. (more here)

Also watch: CNN Interviews Pastor Patricia McKinney Of Connecticut’s Manifested Glory Ministries Church concerning what occurred – 06/25/09

But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. 1 Cor.2:14

18 comments on “Church Under Fire for Gay Exorcism

  1. I saw this clip and was horrified. The thought that anyone would think that this is a logical help to anyone is appalling. I can understand living your beliefs, but this is absurd. People need to stop having blind faith and use the logic that God (or whoever/whatever you believe in) provides us. Science is not the enemy! Logical, prudent thought is not the enemy.

  2. Hi PJ

    This was nothing more than physical and emotional abuse of this young man by that so-called Prophetess and her cohorts.Polycarp ran the story and the video on his blog also.His comment below was spot on with the teaching of scripture.

    ” Friends, the bible does not lay at the feet of demons the depravity of humanity, but yet, we seem more often than not to use the adversary for an excuse. ‘Demons’ are not the cause of homosexuality, and those cannot be prayed out.”

    ” Why doesn’t anyone actually read the bible anymore? ”

    I had not thought of this before pj,however,after reading Polycarp’s comment John 3:3-7 and 1 Corinthians 6:9-11 came to mind.Your use of 1 Corinthians 2:14 brings it full circle.Perhaps they should have considered that this young man was saved.Then maybe they would have kept their violent hands off of him!

  3. Sorry Pj, i meant,that they should have considered that he was NOT saved.

  4. I guess I’ll chime in with a dissenting opinion here, then I’ll duck under the desk before folks begin throwing things at me…

    While I don’t know anything about this particular case, I’m in full agreement with the lady pastor that certain sins carry demonic entities, or maybe open the door to demonic oppression or even posession.

    Drug abuse is one such sin, occultism another, lust another.

    Is it plausible that a practicing homosexual has some demonic influences going on? I’d say it’s extremely possible.

    Now – having said that – am I saying that all homosexuals are demon posessed? No. Some are simply feeding their lust is whatever way there flesh tells them to, just like a glutton eats one too many donuts or just like an alcoholic gets plastered. Sin is sin….but persistent sin can sometimes open the door to these things, and to pretend that demon posession can’t happen is to ignore much of the New Testament.

    In this particular case, things looked pretty wild, but anyone who has ever seen a real demon cast out can attest that things do get pretty messy.

    I think what we’re seeing, though, is the homosexual community getting all in a huff because they inferred (incorectly) that this pastor was implying that all cases of homsexuality are because of demon posession, and that’s not my take on what she was saying at all. She seemed to have a real hard time expressing herself.

    Now I’ll go hide somewhere before I get strung up…

    • I guess I’ll chime in with a dissenting opinion here, then I’ll duck under the desk before folks begin throwing things at me…

      Move over–I’ll join you under the desk. 🙂

      While I don’t know anything about this particular case, I’m in full agreement with the lady pastor that certain sins carry demonic entities, or maybe open the door to demonic oppression or even posession.

      Drug abuse is one such sin, occultism another, lust another.

      Yes, i agree Larry….

      Like you, its hard to make a call on this particular case because…well, WE WEREN’T THERE! ahaha…

      I would like to hear from the man who came forward for help…the one who its claimed had demons cast out. The proof is in the pudding as the old saying goes–if he is free today, then God used these people to cast out the demon [or demons] who had him in bondage.

      Is it plausible that a practicing homosexual has some demonic influences going on? I’d say it’s extremely possible.

      Now – having said that – am I saying that all homosexuals are demon posessed? No. Some are simply feeding their lust is whatever way there flesh tells them to, just like a glutton eats one too many donuts or just like an alcoholic gets plastered.

      Sin is sin….but persistent sin can sometimes open the door to these things, and to pretend that demon posession can’t happen is to ignore much of the New Testament.

      That has been my experience…that sin is sin, and when that is all which is involved, repentance is the answer; but if sin is continued in, after coming to Christ, it can become a demonic stronghold in the life of the person. Continuing in a habitual sin, is like putting out the ‘welcome mat’ to demons. And they will take advantage of it.

      Once that occurs, most times we need help in breaking free.

      In this particular case, things looked pretty wild, but anyone who has ever seen a real demon cast out can attest that things do get pretty messy.

      This was actually pretty mild, compared to a few i’ve seen. Yes, demonic manifestations can be very very ugly, and messy to those involved in praying for the person. Its not pleasant.

      In another recent post i said that illness and disease, when praying for someone afflicted, must be discerned. Its the only way we can know if its natural illness, or demonically inspired or is being reinforced (by unclean spirits).

      The same goes in cases such as this..or any addictive sin.

      The important thing is God wants all his children free!

      I’m going to keep my eye out for any more info on this–to see if the man involved speaks out.

  5. Morning PJ. Your comments below.

    ” That has been my experience…that sin is sin, and when that is all which is involved, repentance is the answer; but if sin is continued in, after coming to Christ, it can become a demonic stronghold in the life of the person.Continuing in a habitual sin, is like putting out the ‘welcome mat’ to demons. And they will take advantage of it.”

    “Once that occurs, most times we need help in breaking free.”

    “This was actually pretty mild, compared to a few i’ve seen. Yes, demonic manifestations can be very very ugly, and messy to those involved in praying for the person. Its not pleasant.”

    “The important thing is God wants all his children free!”

    So you are a witness to demons possessing some who were sanctified,washed and justified.So then habitual sinning (after salvation) grieves the Spirit so much so,that rather then departing from that person: greed, drunkeness, thievery, adultery,fornication,homosexuality etc,can become demonic strongholds.So God who wants his children free,uses other “of his children” to set free those whom his Son has made free?

    Please know that i am not being argumentative or even saying that this is not so.As i said before pj,i had not thought of it (one way or the other) that this sin was human depravity or that demons were or were not be involved.However, would you show me an example from scripture,of demons possessing one who is saved.Better,the Lord Jesus commanding or an Apostle/Prophet/disciple commanding or laying on hands in Jesus’ name,a child of God who has a demon, and setting him/her free?

    Thank you

  6. However, would you show me an example from scripture,of demons possessing one who is saved.

    Possessing denotes ownership..right? Satan cannot ‘own’ or possess a child of God. But, that doesn’t mean demons cannot harass, torment, afflict, etc etc a child of God. It also does not mean demons cannot erect a stronghold in our minds or bodies. In most instances in the scriptures where the word possessed is read, the correct translation is ‘demonized’.

    When you were born again, what was immediately redeemed, your flesh? no…you/we still await the redemption of the body:

    22For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now. 23And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body. 24For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for? 25But if we hope for that we see not, then do we with patience wait for it. Romans 8

    1For we know that if our earthly house of this tabernacle were dissolved, we have a building of God, an house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens. 2For in this we groan, earnestly desiring to be clothed upon with our house which is from heaven: 3If so be that being clothed we shall not be found naked. 4For we that are in this tabernacle do groan, being burdened: not for that we would be unclothed, but clothed upon, that mortality might be swallowed up of life. 5Now he that hath wrought us for the selfsame thing is God, who also hath given unto us the earnest of the Spirit. 6Therefore we are always confident, knowing that, whilst we are at home in the body, we are absent from the Lord: 7(For we walk by faith, not by sight:) 8We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord. 9Wherefore we labour, that, whether present or absent, we may be accepted of him.2 Corinthians 5

    Where does the Spirit of God dwell in the born again believer? In his/her spirit–which is ‘made alive’ at salvation.

    But we, made in the very image of God, are in fact tri-part…spirit, body and soul (mind, emotions, etc) And its because of this we are told to yield our selves (mind, body, etc) continuously to God–we do this by striving to daily walk in the spirit, and by doing so, we crucify the flesh.

    20 I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me. Galatians 2

    Any part of us not yet ‘dead’ or made alive by the Spirit is subject to sin and demonic influence. For we obey that which we yield to…

  7. Morning Pj

    So were you or were you not saying that you believe that it is possible for unclean spirits or demons to posses/own or indwell a child of God??? Is there or isn’t there a point to shaking, dragging, screaming, smothering and shouting OUT demons/unclean spirits in those who are saved? For it seems clear to me and to you that if one is born again,then the only Spirit in him/her (besides their own) where the Spirit dwells, is Holy, right? 😉 See your own words below.

    ” Where does the Spirit of God dwell in the born again believer? In his/her spirit–which is ‘made alive’ at salvation.”

    Pj,the word of God makes clear that it is the ” flesh” not demons,that strive against the Spirit.And that the works of the flesh are manifest,not demons.Since we are to interpret scripture with scripture,then 1 Corinthians 6:9-11 and Galatians 5:19-21 proves that these so called physical (abuse) exorcisms of unclean spirits ” IN ” someone is just none sense in the hearts of some who say that Jesus is Lord. Surely self appointed Overseers,Prophets and Apostles know as you do,that demons cannot live where the Holy Spirit dwells.The scripture do speak of our spiritual warfare and gives instructions on what we must do.That is put on the whole armor of God, right? Only if God allow it,can Satan or his messengers, harass, torment afflict, etc etc one of his children.Remember Job? Remember the Apostle Paul’s thorn in the flesh? So then God does,and he also allows certain things for his own purposes,right? There is a saying pj (eat the chicken,but leave the bone) Your words below…

    ” Possessing denotes ownership..right? Satan cannot ‘own’ or possess a child of God. But, that doesn’t mean demons cannot harass, torment, afflict, etc etc a child of God. It also does not mean demons cannot erect a stronghold in our minds or bodies. In most instances in the scriptures where the word possessed is read, the correct translation is ‘demonized’.”

    Thank Pj, especially for your prayers…

    • Pj,the word of God makes clear that it is the ” flesh” not demons,that strive against the Spirit.

      The world we live in is a battleground-the battle goes on between truth (light) and darkness. We’re not removed from the battle because we are born again–in fact its only then that we become acutely aware there is a battle.

      As far as saying demons [and satan] cannot strive against us, well that’s not so.

      Jesus, WHO IS ONE with God the Father AND the Spirit, and was FULL of the Spirit, was led into the wilderness BY the Spirit to be tempted by satan himself. (Luke 4)

      Right?

      Today our warfare is against the principalities, powers, rulers of darkness, and the spiritual hosts of wickedness in the heavenly places. (Eph. 6)

      Our battle is against the world [which satan is ruler of] the flesh, and the devil. All 3 strive against the child of God.

      And that the works of the flesh are manifest,not demons.

      Well you’ll have to cut out a lot of the 4 gospels then, and a portion of Acts. ahaha… for demons [or unclean spirits] most assuredly are recorded as manifesting.

      demons cannot live where the Holy Spirit dwells.

      True. But like i asked you, where does the Holy Spirit dwell in the born again believer? Does he dwell in your leg, your arm, your mind etc? No, He comes in and makes our spirit alive [which was dead] by dwelling in our spirit.

      Our body still [continues) to await its redemption. If it was ALREADY redeemed, it would no longer fall prey to illness, disease, and death.

  8. “Pj,the word of God makes clear that it is the ” flesh” not demons,that strive against the Spirit.And that the works of the flesh are manifest,not demons.”

    … and yet, scripture tells us to resist the devil, tells us that satan is our adversary, uses his strategies upon us, and is to be resisted. James tells us that sin come when our flesh lusts and when we are enticed. Genesis shows us that Satan had free reign to entice Eve, who was fully owned by God, and even Jesus, who was sinless, was tempted by the Devil. Paul spoke of a thorn in the flesh as being a messenger from Satan.

    To say that all sin comes ONLY from the flesh with no satanic tempting or influence flies in the face of scripture.

    Jesus told Peter that Satan walked the earth like a hungry lion, and had asked permission to chafe Peter like wheat.

    In one epistle, we see Paul instructing the church in Corinth to turn an unrepentant member over to Satan.

    While it’s not prudent to focus on the enemy, it’s even more imprudent to dismiss him altogether.

    Some seem to think that when we come to Jesus that we have a free pass. That we’re somehow “immune” to sin’s consequences. The fact of the matter is, though, that sin has consequences. If I eat too many donuts, I become fat, regardless of whether The Holy Spirit lives within me. If I begin shooting heroin into my veins on a daily basis, I will almost surely develop an addiction to heroin, even though I was washed by the Blood and The Son set me free.

    Likewise, persistent sin has consequences, even spiritual consequences, and Satan is obviously (based upon scripture) in the picture here.

    James tells us “Submit yourselves, then, to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you”.

    The logical conclusion we can draw here is that if we do not submit ourselves to God and do not resist the devil, that he WILL NOR flee from us.

    Paul told the Ephesians “Neither give place to the devil”.

    Since Paul was talking to saved believers, it would be safe to infer that it is possible for a true believer to give place to the devil, and even more, that the devil will be happy to take advantage of a believers “Giving place”.

    Paul also told them “Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil.”

    Once again we can infer that the devil is interested in attacking a Christian. We can also see that we put on the armor so that we might “stand”. The inverse of “stand” is “fall”, and the text implies that this is possible.

    Finally, Paul tells us “For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places”.

    For those who argue that satan plays no part in our sinning, that sin is wholly a product of our own flesh, this passage seems to refute that.

    • James tells us “Submit yourselves, then, to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you”.

      The logical conclusion we can draw here is that if we do not submit ourselves to God and do not resist the devil, that he WILL NOT flee from us.

      Paul told the Ephesians “Neither give place to the devil”.

      Since Paul was talking to saved believers, it would be safe to infer that it is possible for a true believer to give place to the devil, and even more, that the devil will be happy to take advantage of a believers “Giving place”.

      Yes, amen. (good post Larry)

  9. “demons cannot live where the Holy Spirit dwells”

    Is there a bible verse which proves this? or is this an assumption?

    Zecharia 3:1 shows Satan standing before God’s throne in heaven.

    if you are basing your assumption on the idea that God cannot or will not co-exist with evil, than please consider the state of the human heart, even the heart of believers. Many christians struggle with pornography, lust, greed, bitterness, the list goes on and on – yet God dwells in their hearts.

    The thing I’ve found is that those who have had much experience with exorcisms believe that Christians can be posessed. Those who have simply read about demonic posession don’t believe that Christians can be posessed. I’ve actually seen it. It can happen.

    I’ve never really found anyone who can point me to a verse which say’s Christians can’t be posessed.

    Good discussion, and I’m glad it’s being discussed. This seems to be one of those “forbidden” topics in today’s church.

    Laz

    • I heard a preacher answer the question ‘where can demons live?’, in this manner;

      “any ole place we let them”.

      ahaha… 🙂

      if you are basing your assumption on the idea that God cannot or will not co-exist with evil, than please consider the state of the human heart, even the heart of believers. Many christians struggle with pornography, lust, greed, bitterness, the list goes on and on – yet God dwells in their hearts.

      True. And i think the key word is struggle…

      I’ve met believers who after being born again, became involved in habitual sin. Their stories are heart-breaking. The continuous repenting, lying on their faces before God, even thoughts of suicide. Some instances, they suffered for years.

      These were born again Christians who loved Jesus, wanted–DEEPLY DESIRED to be free–but somehow could not BE free from a certain habitual sinful activity.

      I’ve prayed, along with others, for these individuals and watched as the demons fought to hold onto the ‘place’ within the believer.

      I’ve had them yell out ‘You have no right to tell me to leave!!’ Claiming the ‘host body’ opened the door for them. I’ve been physically and mentally attacked many times during these sessions…but in the end it was always worth it to see the person finally set free by the power of God.

      Its so important as born again believers to not ‘give place’ to satan….to not dabble with sin. Satan doesn’t play fair you know. He’ll take any advantage he can find; and any opening, in the lives of God’s children.

      Its why we’re told to (immediately) repent, pull down any and all vain imaginations, to submit daily to God, to walk in the spirit and not in the flesh. And to be on guard–least we be overtaken in a sin.

      We’re to also seek the mind of Christ. For the mind can be the entrance way (the door) to demons.

      Good discussion, and I’m glad it’s being discussed. This seems to be one of those “forbidden” topics in today’s church.

      You know, i’ve read papers from early church leaders, and it wasn’t a forbidden topic then Larry. In fact it was discussed quite openly. Over the centuries satan has done a pretty good job at making it taboo.

      The bottom line is not all sin is demonically inspired, some is just ‘sin’…but im willing to bet that all habitual sin [in a believers life] eventually has a demonic stronghold in the believers life.

      Not on topic, but one of the most common strongholds in believers is brought about by unforgiveness. Unforgiveness is sin…and many hold on to it for a lifetime.

  10. I want to share a good message written by Sandy Simpson, from Deception in the Church. It was written 12 years ago.

    Scriptures That Confirm That Christians Can Be Demonized

    Preface

    “In the New Testament, the Greek word ‘daimonizomai’ is used to express the presence of demonic spirits within a person. What this word means is: ‘to be demonized; to be under the power or influence of a demon in certain areas; to have a demon.’ The word ‘possessed,” however (in the KJV, for example), is a misleading translation for this Greek word.

    To English speaking people the term ‘possessed’ implies total ownership of something. This concept, as pertaining to the relationship between a demonic entity and a person, has no support in the scripture or in the original intent of the Greek word. There is no suggestion in the scripture that a demon has totally taken over a person as the word ‘possessed’ implies. (Can A Christian Have A Demon”, Chris Simpson, 1995)”

    Just to give you a little background — I am not one of those people that attribute everything to satan in this life including all disease, disability, tragedy, and sin. He is only one force at work — there is also the flesh and the world. And above all forces there is God, the only constant force of grace, righteousness, faithfulness and purity. But we as Christians must also not rule out demonization in our lives.

    If we ignore the workings of the enemy and remain complacent, it can give satan an occasion to deceive us. Be careful … the enemy walks about as a roaring lion seeking whom he may devour.

    1 Pet. 5:8 Be self-controlled and alert. Your enemy the devil prowls around like a roaring lion looking for someone to devour.

    This was spoken to Christians!

    Our enemy also masquerades as an angel of light.

    2 Cor. 11:14 And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light.

    We need to be aware that the enemy is deceitful and can work through people who act as though they are following Christ, and to all outward appearances it looks like they are, but by their false prophesies, preaching of a different gospel, and by the fruit of their actions we can discover that they are really demonized false apostles.

    2 Cor. 11:13-15 For such men are false apostles, deceitful workmen, masquerading as apostles of Christ. And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light. It is not surprising, then, if his servants masquerade as servants of righteousness. Their end will be what their actions deserve.

    However, lest we become complacent as Christians, the enemy can also demonize those who are true believers.

    The following teachings and examples from the Bible are plentiful on this subject. The argument that the Holy Spirit cannot exist in the same space as sin or a demon is ludicrous on two counts.

    First, this reduces the person of the Holy Spirit to some kind of good “force” when the Bible portrays Him as the third person of the Trinity.

    Second, the Holy Spirit is omnipresent and is working in the regenerate believer, who himself is still struggling with the old nature even though he has been given a new nature, a new self.

    Ga 5:17 For the sinful nature desires what is contrary to the Spirit, and the Spirit what is contrary to the sinful nature. They are in conflict with each other, so that you do not do what you want.

    There is nowhere in Scripture that says the Holy Spirit cannot be present with evil.

    This kind of idea is without biblical merit and is, in fact, a denigration of the power of God. The Almighty Spirit of God that created ALL beings has total control and dominion over good and evil. It is up to us as believers to believe (continuous tense) in Jesus Christ and to persevere and overcome.

    Rom. 8:13 For if you live according to the sinful nature, you will die; but if by the Spirit you put to death the misdeeds of the body, you will live,

    Rom. 13:14 Rather, clothe yourselves with the Lord Jesus Christ, and do not think about how to gratify the desires of the sinful nature.

    Gal. 5:13 You, my brothers, were called to be free. But do not use your freedom to indulge the sinful nature; rather, serve one another in love.

    Rom. 11:22 Consider therefore the kindness and sternness of God: sternness to those who fell, but kindness to you, provided that you continue in his kindness. Otherwise, you also will be cut off.

    2 Pet. 2:20 If they have escaped the corruption of the world by knowing our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ and are again entangled in it and overcome, they are worse off at the end than they were at the beginning.

    Rev. 2:7 He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches. To him who overcomes, I will give the right to eat from the tree of life, which is in the paradise of God.

    All spoken to Christians!!

    The following passages of Scripture are some instances of demonization of believers of God, Jews and Christians, from the New Testament after Pentecost.

    There are also many pre-Pentecost and Old Testament references to demonization of believers, notably the stories of Job (Job 1:8-9; 2:3; 2:7); Saul (1 Sam. 16:14-16, 18:10, 19:9); the Caananite woman’s child (Matt. 15:22-28); Jesus rebuking Peter (Matt. 16:22-23); a man with a demon in a synagogue (Mark 1:23);

    James and John being told “you know not what spirit your are of” (Luke 9:52-56); a “daughter of Abraham” with a “spirit of infirmity” (Luke 13:11-16); and Judas being demonized by Satan (John 6:70-71, 13:27).

    We believe that these are all pertinent examples that bear on this discussion as we believe that the Bible is a continuous revelation of how God works with man and what the will of God is for man.

    But for the purpose of this study, because of the new covenant that we live under today, and because some do not accept that the lessons we are taught from the OT and NT before the Holy Spirit was given to all who believe the gospel message are truly relevant for us today, we will stick to post-Pentecost passages of Scripture. This list is not exhaustive.

    Scriptures

    Acts 5:1-11 Now a man named Ananias, together with his wife Sapphira, also sold a piece of property. With his wife’s full knowledge he kept back part of the money for himself, but brought the rest and put it at the apostles’ feet. Then Peter said, “Ananias, how is it that Satan has so filled your heart that you have lied to the Holy Spirit and have kept for yourself some of the money you received for the land? Didn’t it belong to you before it was sold? And after it was sold, wasn’t the money at your disposal? What made you think of doing such a thing? You have not lied to men but to God.” When Ananias heard this, he fell down and died. And great fear seized all who heard what had happened. Then the young men came forward, wrapped up his body, and carried him out and buried him. About three hours later his wife came in, not knowing what had happened. Peter asked her, “Tell me, is this the price you and Ananias got for the land?” “Yes,” she said, “that is the price.” Peter said to her, “How could you agree to test the Spirit of the Lord? Look! The feet of the men who buried your husband are at the door, and they will carry you out also.” At that moment she fell down at his feet and died. Then the young men came in and, finding her dead, carried her out and buried her beside her husband. Great fear seized the whole church and all who heard about these events.

    An example of two Christians whose hearts were filled with satan.

    Acts 8:9-24 Now for some time a man named Simon had practiced sorcery in the city and amazed all the people of Samaria. He boasted that he was someone great, and all the people, both high and low, gave him their attention and exclaimed, “This man is the divine power known as the Great Power.” They followed him because he had amazed them for a long time with his magic. But when they believed Philip as he preached the good news of the kingdom of God and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and women. Simon himself believed and was baptized. And he followed Philip everywhere, astonished by the great signs and miracles he saw. When the apostles in Jerusalem heard that Samaria had accepted the word of God, they sent Peter and John to them. When they arrived, they prayed for them that they might receive the Holy Spirit, because the Holy Spirit had not yet come upon any of them; they had simply been baptized into the name of the Lord Jesus. Then Peter and John placed their hands on them, and they received the Holy Spirit. When Simon saw that the Spirit was given at the laying on of the apostles’ hands, he offered them money and said, “Give me also this ability so that everyone on whom I lay my hands may receive the Holy Spirit.” Peter answered: “May your money perish with you, because you thought you could buy the gift of God with money! You have no part or share in this ministry, because your heart is not right before God. Repent of this wickedness and pray to the Lord. Perhaps he will forgive you for having such a thought in your heart. For I see that you are full of bitterness and captive to sin.” Then Simon answered, “Pray to the Lord for me so that nothing you have said may happen to me.”

    Simon, a believer, needed deliverance from the occult. He had believed in Christ but still had the heart of an occult sorcerer. He was still a captive to sin even after he had believed and been baptized.

    1 Cor 5:1-5 It is actually reported that there is sexual immorality among you, and of a kind that does not occur even among pagans: A man has his father’s wife. And you are proud! Shouldn’t you rather have been filled with grief and have put out of your fellowship the man who did this? Even though I am not physically present, I am with you in spirit. And I have already passed judgment on the one who did this, just as if I were present. When you are assembled in the name of our Lord Jesus and I am with you in spirit, and the power of our Lord Jesus is present, hand this man over to Satan, so that the sinful nature may be destroyed and his spirit saved on the day of the Lord.

    These verses speak of a believer filled with a spirit of lust and as a result, delivered over to satan for the destruction of his sinful nature and hopefully the salvation of his spirit.

    This shows that God even uses satan to bring about a turning from sin in a sinful believer. He used satan to test a faithful man like Job. Satan is God’s devil. He cannot do anything to Christians apart from the will of God. God uses satan when other methods of getting our attention have not worked. This is what I believe is going on in the “counterfeit” revivals today. God has allowed satan to bring a delusion on believers. This may be their last chance. They may turn to Jesus Christ for salvation from fleshly sins, such as being drawn away into hedonism by false signs and wonders, or they may ultimately reject God. It is their choice.

    1 Cor. 10:12-14 So, if you think you are standing firm, be careful that you don’t fall! No temptation has seized you except what is common to man. And God is faithful; he will not let you be tempted beyond what you can bear. But when you are tempted, he will also provide a way out so that you can stand up under it. Therefore, my dear friends, flee from idolatry.

    Just because God makes a way out of temptation does not mean that professing Christians will take it.

    Therefore we are urged to flee from idolatry because we cannot serve two masters. This shows that professing Christians can turn back and serve the god of this world, just as they turned and served Christ. It also proves that Christians can fall away if they place their faith in idolatry rather than God.

    2 Cor 2:10-11 To whom ye forgive any thing, I forgive also: for if I forgave any thing, to whom I forgave it, for your sakes forgave I it in the person of Christ; Lest Satan should get an advantage of us: for we are not ignorant of his devices.

    Satan can “get an advantage” over a believer. This statement was made to believers, not non-believers.

    2 Cor. 11:3-4 But I am afraid that just as Eve was deceived by the serpent’s cunning, your minds may somehow be led astray from your sincere and pure devotion to Christ. How can our minds be lead astray from sincere and pure devotion to Christ? For if someone comes to you and preaches a Jesus other than the Jesus we preached, or if you receive a different spirit from the one you received, or a different gospel from the one you accepted, you put up with it easily enough.

    Our minds can be lead astray by listening to false teachers preaching false doctrines.

    Paul rebukes believers for receiving a “different spirit”.

    How can believers have a different spirit than the Holy Spirit? By “receiving” it without testing the spirits. This is what is being done in the current “counterfeit” revivals.

    2 Cor. 12:7 To keep me from becoming conceited because of these surpassingly great revelations, there was given me a thorn in my flesh, a messenger of Satan, to torment me.

    Even Paul was tormented by a “messenger from satan”.

    What this was we do not know. Some think it was a disease or sore on his body. Some think it was a person. Some think it might have been a temptation to keep him humble. In any case, Paul was tormented by a demon from satan.

    If Paul can be tormented, you can be too, fellow Christian!

    Gal. 3:1 You foolish Galatians! Who has bewitched you? Before your very eyes Jesus Christ was clearly portrayed as crucified.

    Paul rebukes believers for being “bewitched”.

    In the mildest sense of this word we could say they have been fooled or blinded. In the strongest sense we can take it literally and say that the Galations were being tempted by demons, demonized into believing that they were saved by the law and not by Jesus Christ.

    A mark of the current “counterfeit” revivals is legalism. If you have received the “anointing” and exhibit some weird manifestations, you are officially an “intercessor” and a part of the “in” crowd. This is legalism. Our salvation has nothing to do with unusual manifestations. It has everything to do with what Jesus did on the cross for us. He who is first shall be last, and the last shall be first.

    Eph. 4:25-27 Therefore each of you must put off falsehood and speak truthfully to his neighbour, for we are all members of one body. “In your anger do not sin”: Do not let the sun go down while you are still angry, and do not give the devil a foothold.

    Lying and anger can “give the devil a foothold” in a believer’s life. Again, this is spoken to believers!

    1 Thes. 2:18 For we wanted to come to you–certainly I, Paul, did, again and again–but Satan stopped us.

    Though this is probably not speaking of demonization from inside a Christian, it is certainly evidence the demons can stand in the way of Christians trying to do the Lord’s work.

    Demonization can happen from outside or inside a believer, in the mind, in the body, in circumstances.

    1 Tim. 1:19-20 holding on to faith and a good conscience. Some have rejected these and so have shipwrecked their faith. Among them are Hymenaeus and Alexander, whom I have handed over to Satan to be taught not to blaspheme.

    Paul speaks of two believers who he delivered over to satan for blasphemy.

    This was to teach them not to blaspheme, not to send them to hell. Satan can be used by God to teach us valuable lessons as Christians. Do not underestimate the power of God to deliver us, even from the clutches of satan himself. With regards to church discipline for the unrepentant, the last step in the process is to hand them over to satan for the destruction of their flesh and, hopefully, the redemption of their spirit. This proves that even when an unrepentant believer is handed over to satan, he is still under the plans of God — plans to redeem, not destroy. (Jer. 29:11, Re. 3:19)

    1 Tim. 3:6-7 He must not be a recent convert, or he may become conceited and fall under the same judgment as the devil. He must also have a good reputation with outsiders, so that he will not fall into disgrace and into the devil’s trap.

    Christians, even potential Christian leaders, can fall into the devil’s trap.

    1 Tim. 4:1-2 The Spirit clearly says that in later times some will abandon the faith and follow deceiving spirits and things taught by demons. Such teachings come through hypocritical liars, whose consciences have been seared as with a hot iron.

    In latter times believers will give heed to seducing spirits and doctrines of demons. I believe that the latter times are already here and this is exactly what is happening. Christians are listening to doctrines that come right out of the mouth of satan such as “you are little gods”, the same old lie the serpent told Eve.

    2 Tim. 2:24-26 And the Lord’s servant must not quarrel; instead, he must be kind to everyone, able to teach, not resentful. Those who oppose him he must gently instruct, in the hope that God will grant them repentance leading them to a knowledge of the truth, and that they will come to their senses and escape from the trap of the devil, who has taken them captive to do his will.

    Believers can be snared and taken captive by the devil.

    1 Pet. 5:8-9 Be self-controlled and alert. Your enemy the devil prowls around like a roaring lion looking for someone to devour. Resist him, standing firm in the faith, because you know that your brothers throughout the world are undergoing the same kind of sufferings.

    Christians need to stand firm in the faith because the devil is waiting to devour those who lose their faith. All Christians everywhere are waging the same battle against the enemy. It is one of losing our faith through believing in false doctrines, putting our faith in something or someone else other and Jesus Christ, or by abandoning our faith altogether. The loss of faith is the goal of the enemy, and losing faith is giving in to his temptations. Losing our faith can also happen by trading it in for faith in power, experiential thrills, and signs and wonders that are not from God but from the enemy prowling around and in the lives of professing believers, taking the footholds afforded him through sin.

    Summary

    The argument that many use that “a Christian cannot be demonized” is that the Holy Spirit would not reside or be at work in a person who is being demonized, or that they cannot co-exist in the same person. This is an argument from silence, since the Bible does not state categorically that the Holy Spirit cannot be in the same location as evil. Rather it gives many examples where the Holy Spirit was at work in demonized believers.

    Part of the problem is our perception of the person and work of the Holy Spirit.

    God is the creator, omnipresent and omniscient. Since He is omnipresent He would already be where the devil and demons are at the same time. I would propose the concept that He is a different being than the creatures He created, which include the angels, devil and demons. It may be entirely possible for the Holy Spirit, who is the agent, the seal of God unto salvation for those who believe in Jesus, to be at work in a Christian’s life who is, at a particular time, being demonized. He certainly is there working with the “new self” which is still residing with the “old self”. Can the Holy Spirit work in a sinful believer? Thank God He can!

    I also think that the Holy Spirit is the “agent”, not some “substance” with which we are filled.

    However, a demon is a creature and may have substance like other created beings such as angels. I cannot fully prove this hypothesis from Scripture and it may well be that this concept is not crucial for us to fully understand.

    The fact that Christians have and are being demonized is a fact from Scripture beyond dispute, as you have just read, and is important for us to be aware of.

    Only God knows who His sheep are and whose names are written in the Lamb’s Book of Life. We cannot ever be absolutely sure about another person, only ourselves as our belief in Christ and relationship with Him remains steadfast through faith. Even then God is our judge and can see sinful areas in our lives even when we are blind to them ourselves, or when we are willfully unrepentant of them.

    When we allow a sin to continue unconfessed in our lives, or we confess sin but continue to live in it, we allow satan a foothold in our lives as Christians.

    It is our responsibility to confess our sins. Jesus is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and cleanse us from all unrighteousness. It may be that God will allow Satan to tempt us, as He did with His own Son in the desert, or to torment us, as He allowed the enemy to do to Paul. In that case we need to put on the armor of God, stand firm, remain faithful, and use the sword of the Spirit, the Word of God, to fight the enemy.

    Eph. 6:10-18 Finally, be strong in the Lord and in his mighty power. Put on the full armour of God so that you can take your stand against the devil’s schemes. For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms. Therefore put on the full armour of God, so that when the day of evil comes, you may be able to stand your ground, and after you have done everything, to stand. Stand firm then, with the belt of truth buckled round your waist, with the breastplate of righteousness in place, and with your feet fitted with the readiness that comes from the gospel of peace. In addition to all this, take up the shield of faith, with which you can extinguish all the flaming arrows of the evil one. Take the helmet of salvation and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God. And pray in the Spirit on all occasions with all kinds of prayers and requests. With this in mind, be alert and always keep on praying for all the saints.

    We don’t automatically get the armor when we are saved. We must put it on.

    This section of Scripture was written to believers!!!

    The devil has everyone’s destruction in mind, including Christians. Many Christians today do not have the full armor of God on. They may have the “helmet of salvation” on their heads, but they have become gossips and do not have their “feet fitted with the readiness that comes from the gospel of peace”. They may have the “shield of faith” up, but they have fallen into habitual lying and do not have the “belt of truth” around their waists. We must be ready as Christians, on all fronts, to stand and rebuff the power of the enemy in our lives, holding fast to our salvation, our faith, the Truth, Jesus’ righteousness imputed to us by the cross, the Word of God, the gospel of peace — and, last but not least, in prayer constantly.

    Copywrite Sandy Simpson, 6/28/97
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  11. okay sis … now ya done it. Better find somthing to hide under LOL. This issue really gets us Christians riled up. Kinda like announcing that you’re pre-trib on certain boards or don’t believe in OSAS on others. Yer gonna git it now <-:

    Your bro,

    Laz

    PS – good article

  12. Morning PJ..

    You have the last word.

    Thank you again for your prayers and the of course the “cute” animations that you sent in the E-mail.

    Delores

  13. I wish to publically apologize to “Yeshua is the Lord of Glory”. I mistakenly thought that you were arguing that Satan never plays any part in sin, that sin always comes entirely from our flesh, and I argued against that position. Your email to me indicated that this wasn’t what you were saying at all. Sorry if my comment mis-represented your view on this. Thank you, also, for coming to me privately when you felt I had wronged you. This is the way I think God had in mind…that we play nicely with one another. Nice to run across someone on a blog or message board who loves God enough to really trust His ways rather than their own.

    Warm regards,

    Larry

    • Hi Larry, and God bless you brother. You have a tender heart…

      Topics like this one concerning demons, satan, etc always stirs up strong feelings. I do understand–its not a pleasant topic. LOL

      Its most likely why it stays in the back of the closet, doctrine-wise, in the case of most Christians.

      I don’t believe the demons themselves appreciate light being shone upon them, and appear to do whatever, to insure it stops. Yrs ago i can recall unexplained fevers coming upon my body on occasions when praying for God to deliver someone.. i would become very ill.

      But we press on, right!!!?? 🙂

      The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised.

      For though we live in the world we are not carrying on a worldly war, for the weapons of our warfare are not worldly but have divine power to destroy strongholds.

      Praying always with all prayer and supplication in the Spirit, and watching thereunto with all perseverance and supplication for all saints;

      The Holy Spirit directed me to these words many yrs ago, before confronting someone demonized, and i’ve tried to always remember them:

      Thou therefore gird up thy loins, and arise, and speak unto them all that I command thee: be not dismayed at their faces, lest I confound thee before them. For, behold, I have made thee this day a defenced city, and an iron pillar, and brasen walls against the whole land, against the kings of Judah, against the princes thereof, against the priests thereof, and against the people of the land. And they shall fight against thee; but they shall not prevail against thee; for I am with thee, saith the LORD… Jer.1

      And,

      Cursed are those who refuse to do the Lord’s work, who hold back their swords.. Jer.48

      Hallelujah!

      (its been an interesting conversation guys!)

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