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Interesting Quotes…


Some of these are quite interesting, while others are plain bizarre.

Concerning Literal method of  Interpretation:

“It was the literalizing of the Jewish prophecies concerning the Messiah and His kingdom that led the Jews off into views and hopes of the Messiah that were false and cruelly disappointing… It was the literal interpretation of their scriptures that blinded the Jews to their own Messiah”  (James Snowdon, The Coming of the Lord, 198-199)

Fear Tactics and the Media:

The various media outlets in America (particularly Rupert Murdoch’s conglomerate) seem to be complicit in the attempts to paralyze the American populace with fear.”What if forecasts of imminent doom are, as techno-paranoids call them, “psy-ops”? That is, psychological operations designed to redirect popular thinking in certain ways? What if we are being conditioned to live in fear of some world-ending super-menace—from outer space or wherever—that could be simulated and then seemingly averted at the last moment by a “miraculous” rescue? (The Sky Is Always Falling, NY Press)

More:

The line between the political and the biblical is disappearing.  (Gary Bauer, prominent Christian conservative, in Israel wins support, Telegraph)

In Christian theology, the first thing that happens when Christ returns to Earth is the judgment of nations. It will have one criterion: How did you treat the Jewish people? Anyone who understands that will want to be on the right side of that question. Those who refuse to support Israel, will go to eternal damnation. (John Hagee)

One of the reason I believe the spiritual door was opened for an attack against the United States of America is that the policy of our government has been to ask the Israelis, and demand it with pressure, not to retaliate in a significant way against the terrorist strikes that have been launched against them. (Sen. James Inhofe)

The desire for a new temple is a smack in the face to the work of Christ and shows little regard or concern for the people who would be caught up in false temple worship. Instead of showing concern for the Jewish people, this and other areas of dispensationalism simply make them pawns in a fantasy game of what appears to be fictional theology. (Bill Barnwell, Hal Lindsey Is Wrong – The ‘Temple’ Will Not Be Rebuilt)

From Scripture we find no warrant, no necessity for special treatment of any land or city. The New Jerusalem is a concept of a city which comes from God who transcends the limitations of the physical earth. (Joseph M. Canfield, Neither City Nor Land Are Holy)

The composition of the number “666” spells the word VISA – the exact name of today’s most accepted and popular credit card. (Jack Van Impe, 11:59 and Counting)

Think symbol. Think metaphor. Think poetry. Don’t get trapped with wooden literalism—unless you really expect to get to heaven and find that Jesus is a sheep. (Nelson Kraybill, Introduction to the Apocalypse)

Israel could have accepted (Jesus) as Messiah and He would have ushered in the millennial Kingdom. Somehow, Jesus would have been crucified at some later point to fulfill the prophecy and provide salvation of all those who repent of their sins.” (Grant Jeffrey, Apocalypse, p. 33,34)

I have had my physical appearance duplicated by demons. | Our future is at stake, I’m battling the forces of darkness and I’ve got to know that you are there and you care about me remaining behind this microphone to deal with the devil and expose what the forces of evil are doing to destroy your home, your church, and your family so back me now! (Bob Larson)

The problem for literalists is that no one is a strict literalist when it comes to Bible interpretation. Furthermore, since no one is a strict literalist no one can define what “consistent literalism” really is. (Jack Van Deventer, The Myth of Consistent Literalism)

Christian Zionism is blasphemy. It is a heresy. Christians have no theological stake whatsoever in the modern State of Israel. It is an anti-God, anti-Christ nation. (Geneva Review)

I am fully convinced that somewhere between March 21st, 1843 and March 21st, 1884, according to the Jewish mode of computation of time, Christ will come, and bring all His Saints with Him; and that then He will reward every man as his work shall be. (William Miller, 1836, Evidence From Scripture and History of the Second Coming of Christ About the Year AD 1843)

Russia is unquestionably the nation identified in the prophecies of Ezekiel 38 and 39” (Tim LaHaye, Will God destroy Russia?, p. 259)

This day begins with plague, bloodshed and all type of pestilences. (Michael Rood, April 5, 2000)

The Rapture will be the 20th of June, 2000. (Marilyn Agee)

Phobos, one of Mars moons, will be removed from its orbit and will fall to the Earth. (Melody Mehta)

President Clinton will declare the martial law between September and October of the 2000. (Byron Weeks)

When I realized that an honest examination of Matthew 24 did not confirm Scofield’s vision, I had to face facts and change some beliefs. The context of Matthew 24 clearly tells us that Matthew 24 was basically fulfilled in 70 AD. The problem I then had to confront was that if Matthew 24 is basically fulfilled, then many of the theories built on Matthew 24 being future had to be wrong. (Ovid Need Jr, Matthew 24)

During this century, Christians have been told over and over that “God has an unconditional love for Old Testament Israel,” by which is meant that God’s love is directed toward persons racially descended from Abraham, regardless of faith or obedience. Membership in Israel, therefore, is viewed as a matter of race, not faith. (Charles D. Provan, The Church and Israel)

A more moral and a more religious America will not escape divine judgment, any more than Pharisaic Judaism in Jesus’ time escaped the devastating judgment of God in 70 A.D. when hundreds of thousands of Jews were slaughtered by godless Romans. Jesus warned about that on several occasions. There is only one thing God blesses, just one. And that is He blesses saving faith in and love for His Son, the Lord Jesus Christ. That’s the only thing He blesses. Anybody who does not believe in and love the Lord Jesus Christ is among the cursed, right?.  He says: “Your house is being left to you desolate. Desolate.” And He was looking ahead to the destruction in 70 A.D., as well as the profound spiritual judgment. (John MacArthur, On the Jews and the AD70 Event)

Truly Christendom has become completely corrupted, the dispensation of the Gentiles has been found unfaithful: can it be restored?  No! Impossible!. (J.N. Darby)

I predict the absolute fullness of man’s operation on planet Earth by the year 2000 A.D. ( Lester Sumrall)

Only if the Bible is in error am I wrong, and I say that unequivocally.  There is no way Biblically that I can be wrong; and I say that to every preacher in town. ( Edgar Whisenant, 88 Reasons Why the Rapture is in 1988)

When Sept 6, 1994 arrives, no one else can become saved, the end has come. (Harold Camping, 1994?, p 533)

I certainly do not believe a vengeful God inspired the Roman army to surround Jerusalem and brutally slaughter hundreds of thousand of Jews. It seems to me that even then the vicious serpent of Anti-Semitism had raised its head. Satan would have liked to destroy the Jews in order to nullify God’s promises to them. (Jerry Falwell and the Jews, p. 13-14)

Somewhere, at this very moment, on planet Earth, the Antichrist is almost certainly alive – biding his time, awaiting his cue.  That likelihood is based upon a sober evaluation of current events in relation to Bible prophecy. (Dave Hunt, Global peace and the rise of the Antichrist, 1990)

The decade of the 1980’s could very well be the last decade of history as we know it.  Jesus said “this generation shall not pass, till all these things come to pass.” What generation ? The generation that would see all these signs. We are that generation! Obstacle or no obstacle, it is certain that the Temple will be rebuilt.  Prophecy demands it. (Hal Lindsey, The Late Great Planet Earth, Grand Rapids: Zondervan, 1970)

(God) spoke to the Jew at Sinai and to the Gentiles in Jesus Christ. The word spoken to Israel is not for the Gentiles, and the word meant for the Gentiles is not of Israel. (H.J. Schoeps, The Jewish People and Jesus Christ)

Most premillenarians (Darby excepted) would agree that a new covenant has been provided for the church, but not the new covenant for Israel.  (John F Walvoord, The Millennial Kingdom, p. 214)

There’s a movement in America today that is hell bent on destroying The Word of God Almighty by first fabricating, then spreading, utterly false doctrines., specifically designed to trap YOU as a Christian into questioning your faith. And to cause you to believe in your heart that God is a liar, through a professionally designed system of indoctrination…it is by far the greatest threat to Christianity ever. (Bands Report, The Great Falling Away Has Begun)

That Israel has corrupt politicians does not mean Israel is corrupt. It means it CAN’T be.  If it didn’t, then I’d start to wonder.  The fact that I can sit right here in my office and read all about it from the Israeli press is more than proof of shared values and principles. It is proof-positive of the Power of the God we share. (Jack Kinsella, Why We Support, Israel, Corruption and All)

God will keep his original promises to the fathers and will one day convert and place Israel as the head of all the nations. (Thomas Ice, House and Ice, Dominion Theology, p. 175)

The redeemed living nation of Israel, regenerated and regathered to the land will be head over all the nations of the earth. . . . So he exalts them above the Gentile nations. . . . On the lowest level there are the saved, living, Gentile nations. (Herman Hoyt, Downer’s Grove, IL: Inter-Varsity Press, 1977)

The Gentiles will be Israel’s servants during that age. (Dwight Pentecost, Things to Come, p. 508.)

Israel will be a glorious nation, protected from her enemies, exalted above the Gentiles. (John Walvoord, The Millennial Kingdom)

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14 comments on “Interesting Quotes…

  1. It will have one criterion: How did you treat the Jewish people? Anyone who understands that will want to be on the right side of that question. Those who refuse to support Israel, will go to eternal damnation. (John Hagee)

    “So, it’s not about Jesus after all???” [scratches head].

    Do you have a cite for that?

    William Miller, 1836, Evidence From Scripture and History of the Second Coming of Christ About the Year AD 1843)

    Interesting how many sects and cults came from that place and time. Fallout from the 2nd Great Awakening? Enemy action?

    • I found these scattered on a few pages at:

      http://www.preteristarchive.com/dEmEnTiA/index.html

      The website is ran by Todd Dennis, who describes himself as:

      (A) FORMER FUTURIST & PRETERIST PASTOR.

      His website includes some of the best collected study material i’ve come across.

      Hagee’s made that comment in a lot of his messages. He even touched on it at a recent message posted at Charisma:

      The point here is that a nation called Israel is alive and well during the tribulation. They will be part of the first matter of business when Christ returns to earth-the judgment of the nations. And the basis for this judgment is to be how the nations of the world treated the Jewish people and the nation of Israel.

      The point is simply this: Why does God have a judgment of nations to judge all nations and men for the way in which they treated the Jewish people from Genesis to the second coming?

      http://www.charismamag.com/index.php/newsletters/standing-with-israel/22861-has-god-rejected-israel

      And…

      Is it not logical to assume that because God created and defends Israel, those who fight against Israel fight against God? Replacement theologians teach that there is not one word in the New Testament that remotely suggests Christians should support Israel. Wrong! Jesus Christ is our example, and He personally taught us by His conduct that Gentiles who support Israel have His special blessing.

      It is important to be right on the Israel question when you consider that being wrong brings you under the curse of God and headed for eternal, everlasting fire with the devil and his angels. Israel is not a “take it or leave it” subject. It is a life and death matter-eternal life!

      http://www.charismamag.com/index.php/newsletters/standing-with-israel/22726-christians-and-the-cause-the-lord-has-chosen-zion

    • PJ,

      I’m glad you noted where you found these quotes. There sure are some real “doozies” among them. I was interested in reading the Geneva Review of “Christian Zionism” that you quoted from, and I was going to ask you for that source. But I scrolled down the page on the link you provided from the Preterist Archive and found it.

      Todd Dennis’ website is VERY comprehensive. I don’t know how he ever managed to compile so much resourceful material in one place. I have to really discipline myself when I visit that site, because I could go on and on studying, but it’s not easy to hold back!

      By the way, God brought me to Himself in 1993, so I just made Harold Camping’s “salvation cut-off.” Whew!

  2. There is too much here to answer for…something stirs in me though. Perhaps the Spirit will yet give utterance…
    The idea of ages, or more accurately dispensations runs throughout. Then a further split of Jew and Gentile. Some of these comments make me wonder if many of these people have even read Paul’s letters.

    But how are we to discern the truth? May the Spirit renew our ability to discern and test all things.

  3. There are a few i found bizarre:

    Israel could have accepted (Jesus) as Messiah and He would have ushered in the millennial Kingdom. Somehow, Jesus would have been crucified at some later point to fulfill the prophecy and provide salvation of all those who repent of their sins.” (Grant Jeffrey, Apocalypse, p. 33,34)

    Huh? 🙂

    Only if the Bible is in error am I wrong, and I say that unequivocally. There is no way Biblically that I can be wrong; and I say that to every preacher in town. ( Edgar Whisenant, 88 Reasons Why the Rapture is in 1988)

    When Sept 6, 1994 arrives, no one else can become saved, the end has come. (Harold Camping, 1994?, p 533)

    Don’t you love these folks who “positively” believe they’re right–only to be proven wrong? LOL

    I certainly do not believe a vengeful God inspired the Roman army to surround Jerusalem and brutally slaughter hundreds of thousand of Jews. It seems to me that even then the vicious serpent of Anti-Semitism had raised its head. Satan would have liked to destroy the Jews in order to nullify God’s promises to them. (Jerry Falwell and the Jews, p. 13-14)

    Those like Falwell, and there are many still today, cannot understand that yes, it was God who sent and/or allowed the destruction of Jerusalem in 70AD. It was a judgment.

  4. Todd Dennis’ website is VERY comprehensive. I don’t know how he ever managed to compile so much resourceful material in one place. I have to really discipline myself when I visit that site, because I could go on and on studying, but it’s not easy to hold back.

    LOL, i have to be careful too Adam Like today, i know i spent a good 2 hours just reading on his website. And that’s after probably visiting there at least 100 times in the past! aha…

    There’s still a lot i haven’t read. Plus he updates with new stuff fairly often.

  5. What are you trying to do, Sister PJ? Turn me into a preterist?

    • AHA! No way Job 🙂

    • Hey, what’s wrong with preterism? 🙂 Unless you mean hyper-preterism… I’m comfortable now with the partial-preterist position on quite a number of things, but I wouldn’t have been a year ago. I have to admit that some of what I’ve read on this site has contributed to this change in my eschatology. So, Job, you better keep your guard up if you don’t want to go down the same “slippery slope” 🙂

  6. I’m comfortable now with the partial-preterist position on quite a number of things..

    I am too Adam. Especially as it pertains to Matthew 24.

    My beliefs concerning eschatology, is such a mixed bag, i’ve yet to find a name for it. LOL

    Revelation: Four Views, by Steve Gregg, taught me a valuable lesson: i realized they all had ‘some truth’ but not any one, had all.

    I have to admit that some of what I’ve read on this site has contributed to this change in my eschatology

    Then you’ve become a man without one (only) eschatology view Adam. Welcome to the club! 🙂

    Orange Mailman, (Darrin) who pops in here once in awhile, is someone who has also come to see truth in some of the partial-preterist interpretations. (Orange’s blog)

    Have you read Gregg’s commentary on 4 Views of Revelation? Its very good.

    The reason why i was able to get so much out of it was he never inserts his own beliefs into the book–only presents the 4 most common views side by side. I am a fast reader, but i took my time going through this book. I compared every views interpretation of specific scriptures, with scripture. I read it along with my bible…

    • PJ,

      No, I haven’t read Steve Gregg’s “Revelation: Four Views,” but I think I should soon. I know there is a similar book by C. Marvin Pate called “Four Views on the Book of Revelation.” Do you (or anyone else) know what might be the different features of these two books, and what might make one better than the other? Pate’s book appears to be half the price of Gregg’s book everywhere I look, but maybe there’s a good reason for that.

      Thanks for welcoming me to the “multiple eschatology views” club. 🙂 Yes, I do also see Matthew 24 now as a typical partial-preterist would see it. I’m also comfortable with the partial-preterist view of the book of Revelation (i.e. as speaking of God’s impending judgment upon apostate Israel and bringing comfort to the persecuted first-century Church). I’m also in favor of the early date for the writing of the book of Revelation (i.e. 64-68 AD). I am definitely interested in learning more, though, about the various views. I’ll order one of these books once I determine which one is more worthwhile. Alright, maybe I’ll get both of them…we’ll see.

      I also still have questions about the partial-preterist view, e.g. how the prophecy of the two witnesses (Rev. 11) could have played out, etc.

  7. Jerusalem is often called ;”The Holy City.”, but Revelation calls it the spiritual “Sodom and Gomorrah” of the Earth…. “even where our Lord was crucified..”

    The Pharisee’s exalted their bloodline as the “Righteous Ones”, while Jesus revealed that they had actually became “son’s of the devil, your father!”

    Yes, Jesus will return there, for He cannot break His word, nor eternal covenants. Crusades appeal to pride and the religious nature in us all, and has a habit of even justifying life itself, if we let it consume us. This is the nature of the religious spirit.

    After reading the absolute confusion and irrational morass of these conflicting and absolute statements, I could see how people are mislead. This kind of double-think could cause you to run to the nearest doctrinal ideologue just to have anyone put some order to it; to prevent your imminent mental breakdown.

    It speaks of a strong case to return to the simplicity that is in Christ, and let the theological wolves fight it out.

    YOU SHALL KNOW THEM BY THEIR FRUIT!

    This is confusion, but I don’t have to run anywhere except to Christ….hallelujah!

  8. No, I haven’t read Steve Gregg’s “Revelation: Four Views,” but I think I should soon. I know there is a similar book by C. Marvin Pate called “Four Views on the Book of Revelation.” Do you (or anyone else) know what might be the different features of these two books, and what might make one better than the other?

    Adam, im not sure what the differences are [i’ve not read Pate’s book] but i did find an article which speaks of both:

    Book Review: http://www.thenarrowpath.com/revendor.htm

    Thanks for welcoming me to the “multiple eschatology views” club. 🙂

    AHA!

    • Thanks so much for the link to the book review at “The Narrow Path” website. It was very informative and whetted my appetite to read Steve Gregg’s book. It’s now on its way to my mailbox…and so is C. Marvin Pate’s book (Amazon.com reeled me in with their “Super Saver Shipping” deal).

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