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Christian Legitimization of the Assassination of President Obama


Last week, as the sniper shot rang out mortally wounding President Obama, the country woke up to the historical fact that idle words are indeed the devil’s playground.

History will long note  and judge those, who while the ambulance was attempting to carry the dying man to the nearest hospital, surrounded the vehicle, only to have the Secret Service fire into the crowd wounding several, killing one. Some of the protesters stood idly by, crouched in prayer, not for the life of the man on the stretcher, but for the death. With angry shouts of ‘Death to the Muslim’ and ‘I want my country back’ ringing in his ear, the 44th President of the United States passed from this life.

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Now, as members of both parties call for ‘Canadian-like’ rules on hate speech, and Congress is poised to take up the new measures – many say the first laws could come within the next 24 hours – Christians lament what many on the Right are calling a government take over of the pulpit but the Left calls a preventative measure. For those who have been following the interaction between the former President and the Religious Right, the time line will seem hauntingly familiar.

During the 2008 election, then Senator Obama was hounded by rumors of his secret Muslim beliefs….

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His election was met with announcements of prophecies, including some that President Bush would be the last President of the United States. Joseph Farrah, editor and founder of World Net Daily, demanded that Christians refuse to pray for the President, announcing that contrary to the traditional interpretation of Romans 13, in a democracy everyone was a ruler.

It was also met with, among other things, people declaring that Socialism would over take the country, “I predict the Obama Administration will not only give illegal aliens high paying jobs through this federal infrastructure program, but also citizenship. With citizenship comes the right to vote and thereby securing election after election for the Cultural Marxists,” spewed Brannon Howse, president of Worldview Weekend. Howse later said, “The more I read, hear, and research, the more I am willing to believe this financial crisis, that was birthed in the Clinton Administration, was possibly orchestrated in order to destroy the middle class and implement radical, extreme socialism.” He asserted, “The goals of Cultural Marxism are primarily the destruction of Christianity and the creation of chaos. The ultimate goal is to move from Cultural Marxism to traditional Marxism and that is what is happening to America today.”

Obama “is definitely a Marxist ‘true believer’ who will not deviate from his socialist goals,” wrote Janice Shaw Crouse, director and senior fellow of Concerned Women for America’s Beverly LaHaye Institute, earlier this year.

“Did you sign up for socialism?” asked Janet Porter Folger, founder of Faith2Action, in a column title. She labeled the president’s economic stimulus bill as “The Socialist Stimulus partisan package” which “will take money from you, your children and grandchildren to give” to programs such as global warming research and HIV prevention.

One of the the Religious Right’s grandfather’s, Pat Robertson, told his staff at a prayer retreat that God shared with him that Americans will welcome socialism.

“The steps taken will lead to a dramatic increase in the power of government. The people will welcome socialism in order to relieve their pain. Nothing will stand in the way of a plan by Obama to restructure the economy in the same fashion as the New Deal in the ’30s,” said Robertson.

“How many have been duped by Obama’s personality and good looks? Don’t they understand that a socialist economy means the end of prosperity, individual initiative, personal dreams and a complete transformation of America, as we have known it? After the ‘stimulus bill’ will come health care ‘reform.’ Watch Obama declare an emergency in his pursuit of socialized medicine,” charged columnist Cal Thomas, a Moral Majority vice president in the 1980s.

As the year progressed, as protesters started to use the catch phrase ‘I want my country back ‘ and as the hype started up, a protester at the 9/12 rally plainly announced that the Muslims where taking over, referring to her fact that the President was a Muslim….

In March, Tim LeHaye, author of the best-selling Left Behind series, noted that President Obama could be the ‘warm-up act’ for the Antichrist.

In June, a former Vice-President of the Southern Baptist Convention, called for God to kill the President:

“Are you praying for his death?” Colmes asked.

“Yes,” Drake replied.

“So you’re praying for the death of the president of the United States?”

“Yes.”

“You would like for the president of the United States to die?” Colmes asked once more.

“If he does not turn to God and does not turn his life around, I am asking God to enforce imprecatory prayers that are throughout the Scripture that would cause him death, that’s correct.”

When Dr. Tiller was murdered on that Sunday morning in his church, many came out in near support of his murderer. This followed a very warm May in which several religious conservative leaders came out in support of torture as something that Jesus would have supported, including Fox News host, Sean Hannity.

During the worse of the Tea Parties, protesters would show up with various signs, some urging death not only to the President, but to his family as well.

Followed in September  by a pastor in Arizona, saying, “I hope that God strikes Barack Obama with brain cancer so he can die like Ted Kennedy and I hope it happens today.” Little noticed was the fact that the young African-American man who carried an AR-15 assault weapon to a rally attended by the President was a member of  Steven Anderson’s congregation.

In the same month, at the 9/12 Rally, a woman was featured saying “We are losing our country, we think the Muslims are moving in and taking over,’ and relating her belief that the President had lied about being a Christian. During this rally, Leigh Anne Caldwell remembers several protesters shouting such things as “waterboard Nancy Pelosi,” and who said that Barack Obama is “too black to be President” and that an armed “revolution” might be necessary.”

It was CNN host Anderson Cooper who questioned Mark Williams, a Tea Party organizer, on his statement that the President was “an Indonesian Muslim turned welfare thug and a racist in chief.” But, just 3 days before that, Glenn Beck of the Fox News Channel interviewed Pastor Stephen Broden who claimed that the President and the “the liberal left” was trying to destroy our “Judeo-Christian Nation” heritage.  He claimed that the left is trying to replace our heritage with “a socialist doctrine and atheistic doctrine that is founded in Darwinism.”  This was in a response to Beck’s insistence that God must be restored to His proper place.

Then, there was the question about his place of birth and even attempts to announce that the reason that his birth certificate was not released was that it might show an Islamic connection. Most of these rumors were believed based on rumor and internet email. Author Avi Lipkin, in June, started calling for ‘revival’ to save Israel from a Muslim president:

I think Israel must be very concerned and so should the entire Christian world that the U.S. president is either a Muslim, or firmly in the Muslim camp. Indeed beauty is in the eye of the beholder. If the Muslims see him as a Muslim, then for all intents and purposes, he is a Muslim.

Whatever, if Mubarack Hussein Obama is a Muslim or self-proclaimed Christian, God’s eyes are on every move America and the world make regarding Israel. Many Christians have said to me on my most recent lecture circuit that if Obama moves against Israel God’s judgment on America will be a punishment on all Americans, Christians and Jews included.

It is indeed a time for Christian Revival for Israel’s Survival!

During the recent health care debate, while the specter of socialism was raised to build fears in American heartland, articles started to appear insisting that the Bible mandated capitalism, not to mention that during the School Speech Controversy, many assumed that during the 18 minutes in which we was to speak to the students, he would some how brainwash the students.

It wasn’t just in the health care debate in which the President was greeted with messages of armed resistance.

Rep. Michele Bachmann, R-Minn., warned that people needed to stand up to the energy legislation. “I want people in Minnesota armed and dangerous on this issue of the energy tax because we need to fight back,” she said. “Thomas Jefferson told us, ‘Having a revolution every now and then is a good thing,’ and the people, we the people, are going to have to fight back hard if we’re not going to lose our country.”

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So, as we lay to rest the country’s first African American President, many are shouting that those who proclaimed the love of Christ were the ones who pulled the trigger. Perhaps given the 900 years between the murder of this president, and the murder of a Catholic Bishop, the world could have learned to control the tongue.

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We return to Farrah’s comments in which he refused to accept the legitimacy of Barack Obama’s presidency. With the assaults on not only the legitimacy of his presidency, but also the legitimacy of his American Citizenship, and the daily reinforcement that he was a Muslim intent on destroying the Christian heritage of this country, is it any wonder that the assassin’s bullet found it’s target, legitimized by the hate speech from the Right?

Even so the tongue is a little member and boasts great things. See how great a forest a little fire kindles! And the tongue is a fire, a world of iniquity. The tongue is so set among our members that it defiles the whole body, and sets on fire the course of nature; and it is set on fire by hell. For every kind of beast and bird, of reptile and creature of the sea, is tamed and has been tamed by mankind. But no man can tame the tongue. It is an unruly evil, full of deadly poison (James 3:5-8)

While surely, this would never happen here in this great country of ours (it has before, here and other places) the main point – the only point of this exercise is to show case the rising hate in this country by those who reportedly claim Christ. Hate is being legitimized – and it is not a long walk from hate to hateful actions.

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A special heartfelt thanks to Polycarp for putting together and posting  this sobering message, and, for giving me permission to post it in full here.  You can visit his blog at: The Church of Jesus Christ fides quaerens intellectum and the original post and comments HERE.

“But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment”Matthew 12:36

“Ye are the salt of the earth: but if the salt have lost his savour, wherewith shall it be salted? it is thenceforth good for nothing, but to be cast out, and to be trodden under foot of men. Ye are the light of the world. A city that is set on an hill cannot be hid. Neither do men light a candle, and put it under a bushel, but on a candlestick; and it giveth light unto all that are in the house. Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven” – Matthew 5: 13-16

42 comments on “Christian Legitimization of the Assassination of President Obama

  1. OH MY! How the words of Psalm 19:14 just keep ringing in my head after reading this – “May the words of MY mouth and the meditation of MY heart be pleasing in your sight/be acceptable in your sight oh Lord”
    How do these people justify their speech and actions in light of precious verses such as this, of which there are so many.

  2. The American Christian is an absolute piece of work.

    May God be merciful on us all.

  3. Suppose Obama gets shot in the head and survives, and becomes a sympathetic figure all over the world as a result? It will have been a Christian who made it happen. You know, sort of like the role that Buck Williams played in legtitimizing Nicolae Carpathia before the world in “Left Behind.” Just sayin’ …

  4. And of course, the fact that Obama would have been nearly killed by a fanatical fundamentalist/evangelical Christian would be the perfect excuse to crack down on all Bible believing Christians worldwide. Now remember your dream where God said that Obama was put in office for a reason? Again, just saying …

    • Job,

      I don’t know all the ‘whys’ but i do know his placement in office is being used by God to reveal sin in the body of Christ in America.

      And of course, the fact that Obama would have been nearly killed by a fanatical fundamentalist/evangelical Christian would be the perfect excuse to crack down on all Bible believing Christians..

      Yes. I’ve also predicted for years, when real persecution comes here, it will have been because of those inside, not outside the church–the fanatical right-wing extremists.

      They are the ‘voices heard’ today–the clanging cymbals.

      And you know what? The rest of the Church is just as guilty, even if they are not actively involved with these fake followers of Christ. For by sitting back and remaining silent, we are telling the world we agree with them.

  5. Job, the President is not the Antichrist, so your premise is a bit off. Further, I would contend with you on the interpretation of that prophecy.

    Finally, as I mentioned, it is possible that if something does happen, they will blame Christians.

    • Joel:

      Officially, I am no longer premillennial dispensational, but a chiliast (historic premillennial) who is trying to de-emphasize eschatology in my thinking. However, many of the people who are driving this “Obama derangement syndrome” problem ARE premillennial dispensationalists, and I was stating how ironic it would be if one of those very people would be the ones to set in motion the great tribulation events.

      Also, representing Christians who believe in a literal tribulation, a literal millennium, and a literal anti-Christ (while rejecting such doctrines as the secret rapture and the Jewish millennium where there will be animal sacrifices in the rebuilt temple), I do agree that none of us have any idea who the anti-Christ or when he is going to come. And that is another irony … many of these same Christians WANT Obama to be the anti-Christ so they can be raptured. And that is a real cognitive, emotional, doctrinal and spiritual dissonance issue that is never dealt with. On one hand, such Christians badly wish to be raptured, not only for their own sakes (although that is certainly part of it!) but because the rapture represents a great triumph over Satan’s kingdom along the lines of the parting of the Red Sea and the exodus … probably the second greatest event of salvation history after the cross and something that brings glory to God. But on the other hand, such Christians have to oppose the anti-Christ and his agenda, even though they are opposing the very person and agenda that will lead to the great victory of the rapture! So … let’s say that the anti-Christ is elected by popular vote. They would have to vote against the anti-Christ because, well, he is the anti-Christ! But his winning the election would mean getting raptured!

      Again, I am no longer a premillennial dispensationalist. But if I was … then I have to admit, this Obama fellow WOULD give me a TON of conflicted emotions along the time of Paul when he was in jail and composing one of his epistles: ‘Tis better to remain or to go be with Christ …

  6. This post sure does cover a lot of ground, and reveals a lot. Thanks, Polycarp, for your hard work in putting this together. One of the links mentions someone holding up a sign outside a town hall meeting saying “Death to Obama” and “Death to Michelle and her two stupid kids.” How much more brazen and personal can these folks get? I sure hope that was an “isolated incident.”

    It seems it’s becoming more and more important for true believers to separate ourselves from this hate-filled mess.

  7. When i read this late last night, i wanted to just put my head down and weep.

    What struck me were the number of names mentioned, and quoted, in this mock news story which were self proclaimed Christians…most if not all, are “Christian voices” we know, and who many Christians give heed to.

    Joseph Farah, Brannon Howse, Janet Porter Folger, Pat Robertson, Cal Thomas, Tim LeHaye, and the voices in media who also wave the flag of Christ, Hannity and Beck.(etc.)

    I could add many more, like that of James Dobson, who sent out that fear mongering paranoia inciting email letter from Focus on the Family, prior to the election;

    Letter from 2012 in Obama’s America.

    In the case of that particular letter i wrote Focus in the Family personally, telling them they should be ashamed for attempting to plant seeds of fear into the minds of Christians.

    Christians who have fallen into step with these folks have been duped. These folks have personal agendas, most if not all of their agendas have to do with personal power–regaining or attaining it.

    Those in the media like the Becks, Hannity’s and Farah’s are not followers of Christ, but the Church follows them as though they were. They are in fact satan’s Bellwether’s;

    What is a “bellwether”? It is the leading sheep of the flock which leads the rest of the sheep to their destruction.

    Webster’s Ninth New Collegiate Dictionary also includes this general definition – “one that takes the lead or the initiative; an indicator of trends.”

    If the “bellwether” is raised up by God to be an “initiator” or an “indicator of trends” in the Body of Christ, that is one thing; but to have such a one in a crucial position of authority raised up by Satan is a matter of great concern.

    This one is raised up as a pointer or a gauge of the general direction or movement, drift, prevailing tendency or inclination, swing, or current style or preference of a people.

    There have been many leaders who were placed in positions of authority who had such power and influence over a people. But how devastating it was when they were raised up by Satan, for they swiftly led the people away from God’s purpose for their lives and into every imaginable evil.

    These Satanically-inspired “bellwethers” do not necessarily have to be preachers or ministers.

    They simply are “false,” “deceitful,” “unruly,” “vain,” and “ungodly” leaders placed across our paths in some way, shape, or form; if it be in the church, job force, friendly neighborhood atmosphere, media, sports realm, entertainment field, or music industry.

    The Scriptures allude to such leaders:

    2 John 1:7 – “For many deceivers are entered into the world…This is a deceiver…”

    2 Corinthians 11:13 – “For such are false apostles, deceitful workers…”

    Titus 1:10 – “For there are many unruly and vain talkers and deceivers…”

    2 Peter 2:19 – “While they promise them liberty, they themselves are the servants of corruption…”

    Jude 4 – “For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men…”

    The purpose of the “bellwether” is to round up the sheep to take them to the slaughterhouse. see Satan’s Bellwether

    Wake up Church–you’ve been duped.

    • PJ, I hate to do this, but would you and some of your commentators head on over the original post and read, and respond if you feel led, to what one of the commentators has posted.

  8. Mao was right to ban religion.

  9. would you and some of your commentators head on over the original post and read, and respond if you feel led, to what one of the commentators has posted.

    Guys, i hope you’ll head over to Joel’s post and jump in there too.

    http://thechurchofjesuschrist.us/2009/09/christian-legitimization-of-the-assassination-of-president-obama/#comment-14229

    Joel, im sure you expected to get attacked. Truth always seems to bring that on. 🙂

    If i could offer one suggestion; don’t let yourself expend ‘too’ much energy trying to convince others.

    Just know your post was right on the mark, and to be honest i believe you were led by God to post it.

    Take comfort in knowing you obeyed the Lord and don’t wear yourself out defending what you wrote.

    God bless you brother…

  10. I have been praying for the safety and salvation of the President and his whole family. That is what all genuine believers will be – should be – doing. The hate filled group are masquerading as Christians.

    Someone once said that silence is assent. So true. We speak up because we don’t want anyone to think that we are in agreement with all the hateful things that are being said by those proclaiming Christianity. Unfortunately I know first hand that genuine believers are being influenced by these people. You are right pj … the church has been duped. When we hear some of the things that are being said we say these people must be “plants” because they are doing so much harm to true Christianity, to Christians, and also to the lost.

    I also want to add that Sean Hannity is a Roman Catholic, not a Christian. Glenn Beck is a Mormon, also not a Christian.

    Cathy

    • Someone once said that silence is assent. So true. We speak up because we don’t want anyone to think that we are in agreement with all the hateful things that are being said by those proclaiming Christianity.

      Amen Cathy!

      I’ve caused some who use to stop by and comment, to become angry with me for pointing certain things out in posts.

      But i can’t sit by and pretend i don’t see how many of these folks are in fact using Christianity (and Christians) in pursuit of power, or worse yet, they bring a reproach on the name and character of Christ in front of the world.

      Even if it costs me friends, i won’t do it.

  11. racism hides behind political ideology,religion,sports,and in every group of enterprises.it is apparent that many cannot contain their hatred and anger as they watch a black man daily attend to his office.

    • Yemi, i did read it–its excellent and on the mark!

      quote..

      If there is anything in Evangelical America today, it is that Evangelical Christians are being ‘used’ and turned into political pawns by the Political Right in America, simply bent on regaining and retaining Political Power.

      Yet even what is more disturbing is that some Preachers and Pastors are forsaking the preaching of The Gospel and instead resorting to ‘Tea Party Theology’.

      He’s right.

      I added the feed from Yesu Mulungi just a few days ago, so we could see when a new message is posted. I think its a very good biblical ministry–plus, i personally find Kato’s insight on the Church in the US, especially as he was born and lived outside the US, very helpful. Sometimes it takes someone from outside to see what we who were born here, cannot.

      I get updates from News With Views daily, and agree totally with Kato on his observations concerning Chuck Baldwin.

      Steve Lumbley at Apostasy Watch, wrote a message back in March pointing out Baldwin’s growing call for militancy.

      see: Christian Militacy: Chuck Baldwin’s Blatant Appeal to Violence

  12. I know very little about Glenn Beck, I’ve seen a few clips of him, and it doesn’t surprise me a Murdoch outfit would hire someone unhinged.

    That being said, there is an interesting article in Salon.
    And sadly a Canadian helped set Mr. Beck on his sorry course by recommending a book. This book has become the teabaggers bible.

    http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2009/09/16/beck_skousen/index2.html

    Joel was bang on.

    • So this is the author who Beck not only recommended but got his ideas on politics from?

      Skousen’s book characterized African-American children as “pickaninnies” and described American slave owners as the “worst victims” of the slavery system. Quoting the historian Fred Albert Shannon, “The Making of America” explained that “[slave] gangs in transit were usually a cheerful lot, though the presence of a number of the more vicious type sometimes made it necessary for them all to go in chains.”

      Some things about Beck’s philosophy, become clearer now.

  13. the pharisees and Jesus disciples were expecting Him to lead a revolt against the Roman government, but Jesus spend most of the time preaching about the kingdom of God and preaching against sin. Even in the early churches, the ministry is about preaching the gospel and building the church, and guarding the church against false teachings, we did not read about the early churches teaching the flock to overthrow the Roman empire, even though Rome did a lot of evil. The Roman empire and emperor in those days were like the “Antichrist” and the “beast kingdom” because they persecuted christians.

    Even so, the emphasis is always about repentance and turning people to God, and the focus is on Jesus Christ as the answer to the world’s problem and christians trusting God through difficult times.

    • Even in the early churches, the ministry is about preaching the gospel and building the church, and guarding the church against false teachings, we did not read about the early churches teaching the flock to overthrow the Roman empire, even though Rome did a lot of evil. The Roman empire and emperor in those days were like the “Antichrist” and the “beast kingdom” because they persecuted christians.

      Lee, its just my opinion, but i believe a huge part of the Church here, became so dependent on thinking they could have not only a president in the white house, but one which was a spiritual leader as well [as far back as 1980 and Ronald Reagan, and recently Bush] that anyone less, has to be demeaned and overthrown.

      Its a very strange thing, among a huge part of the Church here in America, in the last 30 years.

      If what these Christians believe is a conservative (which is the republican party) is in the white house, ‘all is well’…but when a democrat has been placed in office, [i saw this to a lesser degree when Clinton was president] you’d think the world had come to an end. No kidding!

      The voices of doom, and an entire ‘the sky is falling’ mentality emerges from within Political Christian circles.

      Its like they trust God “if” he places a certain man or party in office, but if he doesn’t…well, they no longer trust God.

      Its very strange and as you pointed out, totally unlike the early church.

  14. Just a suggestion, but…

    It would help me if you were a little more clear about when you are slipping into and out of “quote mode”. 😉

    Sometimes, your articles (like this one) start out saying something that I end up thinking “That can’t possibly be right…”

    • Kirby, this was taken from Polycarp’s blog as it was posted.

      I believe he formatted it to appear as a news article…

  15. Hi PJ,

    I generally don’t talk politics anymore, as I believe that God wants me to place my emphasis on building his kingdom. I do have strong beliefs, though, and would like to share my perspective on this whole mess.

    As a child, I learned to love our country, and our form of government. Back then, children studied US History, and we even had a class in the 5th grade where we studied through the whole constitution. Communism was the big threat back then, and we discussed communism verses capitalism a lot, as well as totalitarianism verses republicanism. I grew to love the principles our country was founded on.

    In Boy Scouts I earned the citzenship merit badge, and in order to do so had to read through the history of the Declaration of Independence and the history of the Constitutional Convention. It was absolutely amazing how the constituion came about. It’s an amazing document, which allows a free people to control their government, rather than vice versa. Thomas Jefferson was my hero.

    After High School I joined the Navy where I took an oath to defend the constition from all enemies – foreign or domestic – so help me God.

    Politics became a very important deal to me. I became rabidly republican.

    At a certain point – when it looked like Al Gore had won the presidential election – I sat there in my living room wondering how I could raise my kids properly over the next 4 years.

    There’s a story in and of itself. In California, Child protective Services comes into the schools without the parents consent and tells all the kids that if their parents spank them they could call CPS. Our daughter came home and informed us that if we spanked her or any of the kids we would go to jail. I spanked them, anyway, but always wondered when the government would step in uninvited.

    Anyway, I realized that politics, and even love for my country, had become an idol in my life…a religion even, and I repented of that.

    For several years now, I’ve kept my mouth shut and simply watched. I’ve watched the hatred (on both sides) reach a fever pitch. I’ve been horrified too, by the rabid frothing at the mouth by the fringe on both sides. It’s really bad.

    I’ve got to disagree with you about something, though.

    You seem to be advocating a withdrawal from politics by Christians because of the extremism of the Becks of the world.

    I couldn’t disagree more.

    Unlike Rome, we have been born into a republic where our participation is not only allowed, but expected as a civic duty. As good Christians, we need to be good citzens, which means involving ourselves in the process. Sometimes this means speaking out.

    You seem to believe that anyone who vocalizes his conservative views is part of the whole Beck thing.

    I see things differently.

    For the most part, I see a lot of good people who are struggling with seeing a country they love being taken over by socialism and fascism. Some of these people are making a religion out of their love for country (like I did) and freaking out a bit, but it’s an intense love for America and the principles we are founded upon which is behind the freaking out. For the most part, though conservatives like me are not freaking out. This is the exception rather than the rule.

    Unfortunately, though, when we do speak up, the leftists are calling us hateful racist fringe nutcase conspiracist birther wackos.

    Just this week, Former president Carter accused those opposing President Obama of being racists.

    Wow. What an insulting thing to say. I was just as disgusted by Ted Kennedy’s ideology as I am by President Obama’s ideology, and Ted Kennedy was about as white as white gets.

    I don’t know if you mean to project this, but even on your blog I seem to be hearing the message that conservatives should just sit down and shut up because we’re all hateful racists. Any dissent is just racist hatred.

    But that’s never been how this whole thing works, sis. We’ve always had free speech and have been encouraged to use it. Sometimes, it gets ugly, but you have to expect that any movement will have people who don’t behave well. I don’t see silencing an entire group of the population because of the excesses of a few.

    As Christians, we need to speak love and compassion. As citzens, we need to defend the principles which made our country great. I believe we can do both.

    • You seem to be advocating a withdrawal from politics by Christians because of the extremism of the Becks of the world.

      You seem to believe that anyone who vocalizes his conservative views is part of the whole Beck thing.

      Laz, not at all. I would never tell other Christians not to vote, etc. or to stifle their views on political policy. I just don’t talk about political policies [as a rule] on the blog. It serves no purpose and as you remember from Herb’s board, always ends up in heated arguments between Christians.

      What i’ve been speaking out against are the people (the voices) in this nation who are not only dividing this nation by planting seeds of suspicion and paranoia, but more importantly, how many Christians have allowed themselves to become a part of the ‘bad seed’ spreading. And why have they? Because they follow the Beck’s, Hannity’s and Limbaugh’s and believe everything they say—

      Christians, as a rule, do not follow after those who speak for the political left. So in my mind they [the left] are not the danger to the church and Christians in America.

      The same cannot be said about the political right.

      And what should concern any Christian who has been watching, is its not just the right they are following and mimicking now, but the “extreme” radical militant right which has sprung up in this country, led in the media by Fox News, and by a few Christian leaders who are using the fact of an “Obama” being in office to spread fear among the body of Christ.

      Right now in this nation fear is running wild–and many followers of Jesus have jumped into the fear-marathon along with the lost. Instead of using this as a time to point to Jesus, by our own example of walking in ‘peace in the midst of the unknown future’ many in the church are reacting no differently then the ‘world’…and sadly in some instances acting worse.

      Fear has to always be given a face–and right now that face belongs to president Obama. Even by many within the church who would normally know better:

      “For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places”

      Laz, i’m aware that many Christians are offended by what i post. Some have even written me, placing curses upon me saying they pray i burn in hell soon…one, im pretty sure sent me a virus within a cruel letter, which caused my computer to crash.

      But i won’t stop.

      The fear mongers have to be pointed out, for fear can, and in many cases will, led to unexpected actions. Even by people who would never normally think of being involved…

      Its the spirit of lawlessness which is behind the fear, paranoia, and tangible hate we are witnessing.

      Its not political differences concerning policy.

    • Yemi, i wouldn’t attend that if someone offered to pay all my expenses, and buy me a new wardrobe to boot! 🙂

      Its nothing more then a big political summit.

      I was reading who the list of participants were, along with what they were going to be talking about.

      Just a few titles:

      – THUGOCRACY – FIGHTING THE VAST LEFT WING CONSPIRACY

      – ACTIVISM AND CONSERVATISM: FIT TO A TEA (PARTY)

      – THE NEW MASCULINITY

      nope, that’s not my cup of ‘tea’. LOL

  16. PJ and Polycarp,

    I can not tell you how much this message, as well as some of the others you have posted, has meant to me. As a forty three year old Christian African American wife and mother of three who lives in the South, I have been very concerned about some of the words that have been spoken about President Obama. While I am not under the illusion that everyone who speaks against Obama’s policies are racist, I do think that there is a very dangerous element of fear that is driving some of the rhetoric. While almost no one-black or white- will admit to having a racist bone in their bodies many will admit to being fearful. The only problem with that is a person who is afraid may, quite naturally, feel the need to protect themselves, some by any means they deem necessary. That fear crosses party lines. We as believers however should know better than to allow our actions to be fear driven as it is written,
    “…. God hath not given us the spirit of fear; but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind.” 2 Timothy 1:7

    I see this message as not only a reminder to watch our tongues but to examine our hearts to see whether or not is filled with fear or love. Love is much more powerful than we sometimes believe.

  17. PJ, I agree that Obama’s presidency is exposing sin in the church. And would say his presidency is sifting the church and this nation. Some people are clearly choosing to follow political ideology or a poltical christianity, rather than the word of God. Its very sad to see some of the stuff coming from some preofessing christians and how so many have bought into the messages of fear and paranoia coming from the Right. It is possible to disagree with the president and do it in a respectful manner with out the nasty rhetoric, slander and demeaning behavior. Its called civility. And it has been lacking in much of what we have seen lately from some groups.

    • Obama’s presidency is exposing sin in the church. And would say his presidency is sifting the church and this nation.

      Barbara, i totally agree with you. And its hard to watch happen..

      😦

  18. Yes these people in this discussion are fighting for the laws of our land the Constitution, and no that doesn’t have a thing to do with what the bible teaches as far as I can see.

    2Pe 2:1 But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.

    2Pe 2:2 And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of.

    But on the other side the liberal media is saying that we should be scared of these people because of their hate speech and their some kind of a right wing mob and Nancy Pelosi on the news yesterday put on an act ever bit as good as Glen Becks crying sines, kind of shacking with fear that she was afraid of the demonstrations because of what happened 30 years ago in San Francisco.

    Right now there are people with the UN called the AoC who are trying their best to add Christians in on a list of religions that they think are fanatics and want outlawed. Their also getting power and backing from NATO, if not now soon.

    No obama is no rightious man, and if you look at the way obama has embraced the UN as well as the AoC and the way he has embraced communism, and the fact that he holds the most powerful set on earth at this moment. Yes one might think that God is going to test the Church in this country…Just a thought, Oh and pray.

  19. “In the first year of his presidency, a kind of fever lay over country. Mad things happened.

    Huge billboards screamed, ‘Where’s The Birth Certificate!’ .…Radical Right polemics were distributed…

    A retired major general ran the American flag upside down, deriding it as “the Democrat flag.”

    A wanted poster with the presidents face on it was circulated, announcing “this man is Wanted” for—among other things—“turning the sovereignty of the US over to the Communist controlled United Nations” and appointing “anti-Christians … aliens and known Communists” to federal offices.

    (The country )“had become the Mecca for medicine-show evangelists … the Minutemen, the John Birch and Patrick Henry Societies, and the headquarters of [ultra-conservative oil billionaire] H. L. Hunt and his activities”

    ….full-page advertisements appeared accusing the president of making a secret deal with the Communist Party; when it was shown to the president, he was appalled. .”

    *The only thing i changed was the billboard reading “Impeach” to “where’s the birth certificate?” and in the first line, 3rd year to first.

    Other then that, this account of ‘hatred run wild” (and that’s the author’s words, not mine) is from Sam Kashner’s story in which he follows the steps of historian William Manchester, who wrote the 1967 best seller, The Death of a President.

    Manchester’s best seller, chronicled the 1963 assassination of president John F. Kennedy.

    The national atmosphere then (in 63) and now, is eerily similar.

  20. Joel, the article [its lengthy] written by Sam Kashner, based on historian Manchester’s accounts of that time in American history, is the lead article in this month’s Vanity Fair.

    Here’s the link if you’d like to check it out.

    Those of us who lived through and witnessed that horrible time in the 60’s, when President Kennedy was assassinated (as well as Bobby Kennedy and Martin L. King) cannot help but compare the volatile atmosphere in the country today, to that decade. There are just too many similarities.

  21. Pj, where were you when the Democrats were calling Bush a liar? When Journalists called him a Nazi? When well known Journalists openly wondered why no one has killed Bush? Were you in a coma for 8 years? Your hypocrisy is disgusting.

    • I was working at a Christian board Rene, pointing out [continually] the sin and wrongness of those participating in those actions. (I would have been happy to give you that information without your sarcasm.)

      Just a suggestion. Maybe it might be better if you knew something about me before referring to what you perceive as my hypocrisy.

      I pray the ugliness being witnessed today, upsets you as much as it did when it was President Bush.

      (nice to see you Ricardo)

    • I voted for Bush myself and it bothered me a great deal to hear the things that were said about him. My heart went out to him and his family during that time. It still does. But, I don’t see how pointing out the potential harm of the current rhetoric against Obama makes one a hypocrite. What good does it do to say, “But they did it too”? The scriptures do not tell us to do to others what they do to us.
      It says,
      “So in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you, for this sums up the Law and the Prophets.” Matthew 7:12

    • Rene, you’ll have to excuse me if there is a big difference between Christians and Democrats. This was a call for the Christians to ratch this talk down, and not to be used by anyone to spread the hate.

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