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Palestinian Pastors issue document


A group of Palestinian Christian leaders issued a document Friday in Bethlehem that pleaded the case of Palestinians and called for the end of Israeli occupation of the territory.

Authors of “The Kairos Palestine Document” said they are calling for the end to the occupation “because today we have reached a dead end in the tragedy of the Palestinian people.”

“The hearts of the faithful are filled with pain and with questioning: What is the international community doing? What are the political leaders in Palestine, in Israel and in the Arab world doing? What is the Church doing?” the 12-page paper asks.

“The problem is not just a political one,” it went on to contend. “It is a policy in which human beings are destroyed, and this must be of concern to the Church.” (more, Palestinian Pastors: Occupation Tragedy Has Reached Dead End)

17 comments on “Palestinian Pastors issue document

  1. I disagree on them being Christians or Leaders of anything. What happens when you remove checkpoints? A little kid with bombs strapped to his back walks across and kills a few innocent people. This idea that the occupation is causing violence is ridiculous, because even when Israel takes steps back the violence only escalates. For example, they stepped out of Gaza and now the terrorists use the extra territory to shoot rockets deeper into Israel. If they wanted peace, they would put their weapons down. They would cooperate with the peace process. But they do not. These “Christians”, who are actually infidels, are only legitimizing the murder of innocent Israelies. After all, the Jews are “humilating” the Palestinians. That wording is especially frustrating, because it is the verbiage of the worst killers and thieves. With words of peace they encourage rampant murder. Disgusting “Christian” fiends. They’re destined for the pit of hell where they may write letters protesting God inbetween their horrid cries.

    Just because someone claims to be Christian does not mean they are so. You know, there are “Christians” in Venezuala calling for Chavez to be declared elder bishop.

    By the way, the World Council of Churches is filled with communists. In fact, it was made by communists: http://97.74.65.51/readArticle.aspx?ARTID=35388

    • I disagree on them being Christians or Leaders of anything.

      And what do u base that judgment on?

    • I know one of those so-called infidels. He’s a Christian pastor whose wife was killed by Israeli troops when they blew up a market to kill a terrorist (who wasn’t there). Israel denied that there were civilian casualties.

      Your assessment of the situation in Palestine is worth less than nothing.

    • I have seen articles of how the Palestinians take a pile of dead bodies and show them off to reporters. They then pack the bodies off in a truck and haul them to another location, where they are again displayed to a fresh batch of reporters. Or examples where Palestinians are seen taking fire from alleged Israelis… When in reality, they were caught in a crossfire between Hamas.

      You decide for me then. Is your assessment better than the assessment of the witnesses who have seen this rampant fraud and deception?

      But hey, don’t let details get in the way of anything.

      “And what do u base that judgment on?”

      Their fruit PJ, they are enemies to Israel and to Western Civilization. In the name of peace, they are encouraging war. Hell is too good a place for them.

  2. i agree they are being used for pro-Arab politics , they should focus their time on building the church and proclaiming the gospel to other palestine Arabs.

  3. PJ.I’m walking away from this one … sorry.

    This is one of those issues that gets me incredibly angry. People turn a blind eye to Israeli acts of terrorism, and then blame Christian Palestinians for the crimes of Hamas because they have the gall to speak up. It won’t take too long before I say something inappropriate if I hang around for much of this conversation.

  4. “And what do u base that judgment on?”

    Their fruit PJ, they are enemies to Israel and to Western Civilization. In the name of peace, they are encouraging war. Hell is too good a place for them.

    Ricardo your links were removed–i or someone else could post links to video clips which would dispute the ones you posted, but where would that get us? No where…

    And this is not about Israel and Hamas, its about Palestinian Christians: brothers and sisters in Christ to all others in the body of Jesus Christ.

    You judge the fruit of Palestinian Christians who are speaking out for the church in Palestine. Saying ‘hell is too good for them’…

    May God forgive you Ricardo, for i don’t believe you have a clue what you’re talking about. You say the Church in Palestine encourages war…where did you EVER get such an idea?

    Our brethren in the area have been caught up in a conflict they want no part of–persecuted and killed by both Israel and radical Muslims.

    The entire population of evangelical Christians in the West Bank and Gaza could fit into one large church in the United States, one pastor from Jerusalem realized after a recent visit to the U.S.

    “Because of the economic pressures, many Christian families when they get the chance, are leaving for a better life abroad,” said Pastor Jack Sara, senior pastor of the Jerusalem Alliance Church in Old City Jerusalem, to Release International.

    There are no more than 5,000 evangelical Christians remaining in the West Bank and Gaza, revealed a new report by Release International, a U.K.-based organization serving the persecuted church around the world.

    “We are the forgotten church,” laments one Palestinian pastor to Release International.

    “No,” corrects another pastor, “We are not the forgotten church; we are the beaten and forgotten church.”

    “What’s worse is the day-to-day pressure faced by Christians from all backgrounds,” says Khoury.

    Khoury’s father, Naim, is the pastor at the First Baptist Church in Bethlehem in the West Bank. Naim Khoury told Release that 80 percent of the people in his church are unemployed and there is no social security or health insurance even though some members need daily medicines they can’t afford.

    But life is particularly hard for Muslim background believers who are likely to be disowned by their families and are left with nothing. The church, which is under financial strain itself, tries to support the new converts.

    Messianic Jews in Israel also report being cut off by their families. (‘We Are the Forgotten Church,)

    And,

    The Middle East has existed in a state of crisis for more than 60 years, and most people who have stayed abreast of that turmoil understand it to be rooted in the conflict between Israel and Arab Muslims.

    But there is another group of people whose circumstances, while increasingly precarious, are almost invisible to the world: Palestinian Christians. (Forgotten – Christians in Palestine)

    You should be ashamed for this..

    Disgusting “Christian” fiends. They’re destined for the pit of hell where they may write letters protesting God inbetween their horrid cries.

    Read, Do Evangelical Christians Consider The Plight Of The Palestinians?

    😦

    • Pj, how are you going to dispute a video of a Palestinian girl, whose entire family just died, who accused Hamas of being behind “all wars”? I think, her testimony is more powerful than the testimony of Wickle’s Pastor friend. The other article I posted had clips of a video of Palestinians performing a fake funeral. The live-dead-body dropping multiple times. I am unsure how you can dispute a thing you can see.

      “May God forgive you Ricardo, for i don’t believe you have a clue what you’re talking about. You say the Church in Palestine encourages war…where did you EVER get such an idea?”

      I didn’t say the Church in Palestine encourages war. I said these fake pastors are encouraging war. My reasons can be found in the previous postings. Did these same pastors denounce the terrorists when they used alleged Christian holy places as bathrooms? Have they condemned the acts of fraud and murder that is so apparent? Did they mention in any detail the great evil and deception these terrorists commit? No, because they are enemies to truth and to God. They are tools of foreign powers and kills and thieves.

  5. Pj, why did you remove the links I had? They backed up my written words.

    Your links had nothing whatsoever to do with Palestinian Christians

  6. The elephant in the room is that Palestinian Christians do far better under Israeli rule, when they are protected from Islamic extremists. Whenever Israel has withdrawn from a territory, Hamas and Fatah have stepped in and persecuted the Christians.

    This document sadly buys in to the “Palestinian narrative”, which is a fabrication invented by Yasser Arafat to support his war against Israel.

    The phrase “Israeli occupation” is incredibly loaded. The truth is that the arab world sees any Jewish state in the middle-east as an “occupation” and wants rid of it. But it is the Arabs who occupied the ancient Jewish homeland, not vice-versa.

    • Dave, the real elephant in the room is the one many evangelical Christians in the west, refuse to acknowledge when they ignore our brethren in the middle-east, which includes Palestine.

      We can politicize their cry or we can do as the word tells us, pray for them, and help them in what way we can.

      Our first obligation as Christians, after God, is to our brethren, for we are one body. When one part of the body suffers the whole body suffers.

      ..there should be no schism in the body; but that the members should have the same care one for another. And whether one member suffer, all the members suffer with it. 1 Cor.12

      Bear ye one another’s burdens, and so fulfil the law of Christ. …As we have therefore opportunity, let us do good unto all men, especially unto them who are of the household of faith. Galatians 6:2, 10

      We then that are strong ought to bear the infirmities of the weak, and not to please ourselves. Let every one of us please his neighbour [the context is brethren–those of the household] for his good to edification. For even Christ pleased not himself; but, as it is written, The reproaches of them that reproached thee fell on me. Romans 15:1-3

      I therefore, the prisoner of the Lord, beseech you that ye walk worthy of the vocation wherewith ye are called, With all lowliness and meekness, with longsuffering, forbearing [hold up] one another in love. Ephesians 4

      There is one great family to which I want all the readers of this paper to belong. It is a family despised by many, and not even known by some. But it is a family of far more importance than any family on earth. To belong to it entitles a man to far greater privileges than to be the son of a king. It is the family of which Paul speaks to the Ephesians, when he tells them of the “whole family in heaven and earth.”

      It is the family of God.

      Membership in “the family of God,” does not depend on any earthly connection.

      It does not come by natural birth, but by new birth. Ministers cannot impart it to their hearers. Parents cannot give it to their children. You may be born in the godliest family in the land, and enjoy the sweetest fellowship of grace that any Church can supply, and yet never belong to the family of God.

      To belong to it you must be born again. No one but the Holy Spirit can make you a living member of this family. It is His special function to bring into the true Church all those who will be saved. (EXCERPT, The Family of God, J. C. Ryle)

  7. A moment of truth: A word of faith, hope and love from the heart of Palestinian suffering

    We, a group of Christian Palestinians, after prayer, reflection and an exchange of opinion, cry out from within the suffering in our country, under the Israeli occupation, with a cry of hope in the absence of all hope, a cry full of prayer and faith in a God ever vigilant, in God’s divine providence for all the inhabitants of this land.

    Inspired by the mystery of God’s love for all, the mystery of God’s divine presence in the history of all peoples and, in a particular way, in the history of our country, we proclaim our word based on our Christian faith and our sense of Palestinian belonging – a word of faith, hope and love.

    Why now?

    Because today we have reached a dead end in the tragedy of the Palestinian people. The decision-makers content themselves with managing the crisis rather than committing themselves to the serious task of finding a way to resolve it.

    The hearts of the faithful are filled with pain and with questioning: What is the international community doing? What are the political leaders in Palestine, in Israel and in the Arab world doing? What is the Church doing? The problem is not just a political one. It is a policy in which human beings are destroyed, and this must be of concern to the Church.

    We address ourselves to our brothers and sisters, Members of our Churches in this land. We call out as Christians and as Palestinians to our religious and political leaders, to our Palestinian society and to the Israeli society, to the international community, and to our Christian brothers and sisters in the Churches around the world….

    http://www.oikoumene.org/fileadmin/files/wcc-main/2009pdfs/Kairos%20Palestine_En.pdf

    Just in case no one read it….

  8. Thank you for this reminder of the plight of our brothers and sisters among the Palestinian people. It’s ironic that we hear so much about unbelieving Jews being our brothers and sisters (not true), and so little about Palestinian believers and what they face in this disputed territory.

    I’ve only read the first four pages of this document (I hope to read the rest later tonight), but among the things I’ve noted are these:

    [1] Section 1.1.4: “Reality is [due to the separation wall] the separation between members of the same family, making family life impossible for thousands of Palestinians, especially where one of the spouses does not have an Israeli identity card.”

    –This is enough to make a person weep.

    [2] Section 2.3.3: “Furthermore, we know that certain theologians in the West try to attach a biblical and theological legitimacy to the infringement of our rights. Thus, the promises, according to their interpretation, have become a menace to our very existence. The ‘good news’ in the Gospel itself has become ‘a harbinger of death’ for us. We call on these theologians to deepen their reflection on the Word of God and to rectify their interpretations so that they might see in the Word of God a source of life for all peoples.”

    –Wow, it’s a sobering thought to realize that Palestinian believers are fully aware of the warped theology here in America which calls for support of everything Israel, even if it means devastation for them (believers and non-believers alike).

    PJ and anyone else, do you know if there are any Christian organizations providing assistance and/or advocacy specifically for Palestinian believers? Voice of the Martyrs perhaps?

    • It’s ironic that we hear so much about unbelieving Jews being our brothers and sisters (not true), and so little about Palestinian believers and what they face in this disputed territory.

      Yes, it is ironic. I blame it on the deeply embedded teachings, within the western church, of dispensationalism over the last 150 years. And with the modern day-type of Christian Zionism which twists scripture. Though actually i can’t separate the two–for if a person follows one, the chances are almost always, they adhere to the other.

      Wow, it’s a sobering thought to realize that Palestinian believers are fully aware of the warped theology here in America which calls for support of everything Israel, even if it means devastation for them (believers and non-believers alike).

      The first time i became of aware of this it was totally unsettling for me. I actually felt ashamed Adam. It was a comment left by an Egyptian brother in Christ who asked the question why Christians in America seemed oblivious to their brothers and sisters in Christ, living in the middle east. He honestly could not understand the type of theology the western church adhered to, which would cause us to care more about the modern state of Israel then our brethren.

      It was after this that God opened my own eyes to the errors i had been clinging to concerning so many things, that it would be impossible to go into them all here and now. But, it boiled down to dispensationalist teachings, which i saw as the root.

      Any theology which causes Christians to elevate a nation (and its people) over the body of Christ scattered within ALL nations, is seriously in error.

      And because most of the known voices of evangelicalism in America today, which are noted in news articles outside the US, are politically involved AND have this type of theology running through their doctrines, it makes it dangerous as well.

      PJ and anyone else, do you know if there are any Christian organizations providing assistance and/or advocacy specifically for Palestinian believers?

      Adam i really don’t…and believe me i’ve searched. Other then the red cross im just not sure.

      I’m sure there are Christian groups (or churches) who do help, but i get the impression they don’t make themselves known. It could be because one has to get Israeli government permission to enter..and only certain items can be carried in. Even relief aid has had trouble getting in..

      http://www.alertnet.org/db/blogs/55905/2009/03/9-080204-1.htm

      perhaps someone else may have information.

      What we can do right away is pray for our brothers and sisters.

    • This Egyptian brother was right. It makes one shudder to think what have been the implications of Dispensationalism on mission work, especially as it regards Muslim countries. I know that there is an incredible imbalance when it comes to mission work in Muslim countries versus non-Muslim countries. How much of this can be attributed to the false teachings of Dispensationalism I don’t know if we’ll ever know.

      “What we can do right away is pray for our brothers and sisters.”

      Amen. Doing that right now…

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