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“Taking Our Land Back For Him”…


Ever notice how dominionists (and their prophets) base their warped theology, especially as it pertains to “taking our land back for Jesus”, from the old testament? Its almost as though the enacting of the new covenant never took place.

If you understand this, its easy to see how they foster these weird ideas about America. Their idea’s of American Exceptionalism and America’s ‘Manifest Destiny’, (see, Dominionism and the Rise of Christian Imperialism) are found in the old testament, under the OLD covenant God made with Israel: not America. Or with any other nation, as far as that goes.

They work toward and see a future America existing, before Jesus returns, operating as a theocracy. Even though there is no biblical support for this idea under the new covenant. In fact the world (which includes America) and the recognized Church (the Church recognized by the world) doesn’t appear to be in too good of shape, just prior to Jesus’ return. (2 Thessalonians 2, Revelation 13)

Irregardless of your theological beliefs concerning last day prophecy, I sincerely hope you’re not waiting for your ‘land’ (if it be America or not) to become a Christian nation (theocracy) before Jesus returns, for it will never happen. Under the new covenant nations and/or ‘land’ are not Christian….only individual souls are.

“Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.” Rev.1:7

just musing today

16 comments on ““Taking Our Land Back For Him”…

  1. That quote from Revelation 1:7 and the word “wail” contrasts in opposition with these Words from Hebrews 9:27-8:::>

    Heb 9:27 And just as it is appointed for man to die once, and after that comes judgment,
    Heb 9:28 so Christ, having been offered once to bear the sins of many, will appear a second time, not to deal with sin but to save those who are eagerly waiting for him.

    This is what it means biblically to “wail” in the Greek: κόπτω
    koptō
    kop’-to
    A primary verb; to “chop”; specifically to beat the breast in grief: – cut down, lament, mourn, (be-) wail. Compare the base of G5114.

    This is what it means biblically to “eagerly wait” in the Greek: ἀπεκδέχομαι
    apekdechomai
    ap-ek-dekh’-om-ahee
    From G575 and G1551; to expect fully: – look (wait) for.

    So what is the contrast then? For those who “hate” God and man, when He comes back they will beat their breasts in grief.

    For those who have been “loved” by God because God has given them His love whereby they are loving one another with His Love, will be eagerly waiting, expectantly, fully and attentively for Him when He comes back.

    One group don’t want to see Him when He returns.

    The other do!

    Hmmmmm!

    Which group do you think you are associating yourself with? Are you of those who don’t want to receive Christ when He returns?

    Or do you want to eagerly see Him in all His Glory, in the Royal, Everpresent Glory of Our Heavenly Father when He comes to collect up His Bride and sweep her off Her Feet to a Holy Royal Honeymoon in that very Glory of the Everpresent God?

    Rev 6:12 When he opened the sixth seal, I looked, and behold, there was a great earthquake, and the sun became black as sackcloth, the full moon became like blood,
    Rev 6:13 and the stars of the sky fell to the earth as the fig tree sheds its winter fruit when shaken by a gale.
    Rev 6:14 The sky vanished like a scroll that is being rolled up, and every mountain and island was removed from its place.
    Rev 6:15 Then the kings of the earth and the great ones and the generals and the rich and the powerful, and everyone, slave and free, hid themselves in the caves and among the rocks of the mountains,
    Rev 6:16 calling to the mountains and rocks, “Fall on us and hide us from the face of him who is seated on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb,
    Rev 6:17 for the great day of their wrath has come, and who can stand?”

    or??::::>

    Rev 7:9 After this I looked, and behold, a great multitude that no one could number, from every nation, from all tribes and peoples and languages, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, clothed in white robes, with palm branches in their hands,
    Rev 7:10 and crying out with a loud voice, “Salvation belongs to our God who sits on the throne, and to the Lamb!”
    Rev 7:11 And all the angels were standing around the throne and around the elders and the four living creatures, and they fell on their faces before the throne and worshiped God,
    Rev 7:12 saying, “Amen! Blessing and glory and wisdom and thanksgiving and honor and power and might be to our God forever and ever! Amen.”
    Rev 7:13 Then one of the elders addressed me, saying, “Who are these, clothed in white robes, and from where have they come?”
    Rev 7:14 I said to him, “Sir, you know.” And he said to me, “These are the ones coming out of the great tribulation. They have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
    Rev 7:15 “Therefore they are before the throne of God, and serve him day and night in his temple; and he who sits on the throne will shelter them with his presence.
    Rev 7:16 They shall hunger no more, neither thirst anymore; the sun shall not strike them, nor any scorching heat.
    Rev 7:17 For the Lamb in the midst of the throne will be their shepherd, and he will guide them to springs of living water, and God will wipe away every tear from their eyes.”

  2. PJ,

    So, let me get this straight…. Christ’s crucifixion had nothing to do with saving America.

    Jesus is an American though, right?

    Thanks for sharing, your “musing”. 🙂

    Grace and peace be with you.

    • He’s not only an American, he’s a right-wing conservative. (LOL)

      Grace and peace be with you too brother Christopher.

    • Jan, that was one of the articles i read this morning which got me musing. 🙂

      Thanks for posting the link–its an excellent example.

  3. This is the paradox that continues to rake the soul of all. We do not want a real government with real land etc. Just a spiritual or spiritual-ized condition. The sad truth is that the dominionists wiill always act on their own aegis irrespective of the reality of Him. Still the land, the government belong to Him and it will be both an individual and collective reality. It will be the land transferred to allodial property etc. Until people will really serve Him, we will have none of it and folks will continue to violate each other in the name of religion….

  4. […] Ever notice how dominionists (and their prophets) base their warped theology, especially as it pertains to "taking our land back for Jesus", from the old testament? Its almost as though the enacting of the new covenant never took place. If you understand this, its easy to see how they foster these weird ideas about America. Their idea's of American Exceptionalism and America's 'Manifest Destiny', (see, Dominionism and the Rise of Christian Imperi … Read More […]

  5. Good observation about dominionist theology being based on (often warped interpretations of) the Old Covenant. This movement’s disregard for the realities of the New Covenant is similar in a way to that of Christian Zionism: Earthly Jerusalem is emphasized instead of the heavenly Jerusalem (Galatians 4:21-31, Hebrews 12:18-28), Zion refers to a piece of real estate in the Middle East rather than to the Church (e.g. Heb. 12:22), the Kingdom of God is conceptualized as being more earthly/political than spiritual, etc.

    Indeed, it would be hard to make a case that the New Covenant leaves any room for nationalism.

    I’ve been subscribed to the Elijah List (run by Steve Schultz) for quite a while, just to observe what they’re all about. Sometimes I almost feel sorry for Schultz and the other authors when I see them constantly expressing the same hopes and the same decrees (e.g. “this is the year that [such and such] will happen”), only to find that the same challenges continue to exist despite all the noise they make. It’s a lot of misplaced hope, energy, and focus. Yet a good, healthy study of the realities of the New Covenant could bring a lot of much-needed correction.

    • Earthly Jerusalem is emphasized instead of the heavenly Jerusalem

      Amen Adam.

      Their primary concern is centered upon the earthly kingdom(s)…not the Kingdom of God. The appear to actually believe they are capable of creating an earthly paradise now.

      I’ve been subscribed to the Elijah List (run by Steve Schultz) for quite a while, just to observe what they’re all about.

      Me too. There are a few, like the Elijah List, who i receive news-letters and updates from daily.

      Sometimes I almost feel sorry for Schultz and the other authors when I see them constantly expressing the same hopes and the same decrees (e.g. “this is the year that [such and such] will happen”), only to find that the same challenges continue to exist despite all the noise they make.

      It is sad. Speaking of prophecies concerning the ‘year’, we’ll soon be receiving all their predictions for 2011. I’m going to go back and attempt to locate the post from last year concerning 2010, when they start sending the new one’s out.

  6. Thanks for the response pj
    here’s an excellent example of arguments against – looking at George Otis and his Transformations videos
    I liked the comparisons at the end, under the title Strongholds of evil Malan makes the following comparison:
    Otis – Demonic strongholds are established territorily over communities, cities and even nations. The demons in charge blind entire societies that they should not see the divine truth.
    Bible – The devil blinds the minds of individuals and establishes strongholds of sin and idolatry in their hearts and minds. The strongholds are individually based. Deception by evil spirits keep them from seeing the truth of Gods plan of salvation. 2 Cor 4 v 4.

    http://www.deceptioninthechurch.com/otis.html

  7. Thanks for the thoughtful post. I don’t know why they can’t see this obvious truth.

    • You’re welcome sister.

      I don’t know why they can’t see this obvious truth.

      They are blind. Deception is a powerful weapon for it feeds into what we already desire or want to believe. In the case of many dominionists, their desire for power (i believe) opens the door to deception.

  8. Thanks Adam! And Jan, God bless you for another excellent link. Appreciate both!

    First thing i saw in my mailbox today was this, sent out from Elijah List:

    “In These Times of Great Uncertainty, It’s REALLY IMPORTANT to FIND OUT…
    What is God Saying for 2011?

    Register NOW for the 6th Annual Elijah List Conference in Albany, OR — January 6-8, 2011″

    Come expecting fresh revelation from the heart of God through Chuck Pierce, Dutch Sheets, Kimberly Daniels, Denny Cline and myself for the upcoming year of 2011.
    (link)

    The race to put word’s in God’s mouth for 2011 is “on”……

    • yeah, the ‘words’ coming out earlier & earlier for the next year sorta like Christmas decorations before Thanksgiving or the new model cars coming out in September of the preceeding year. the Elijah List a useless compilation of ‘babel’ that serves no purpose or has any benefit for the believer. it is intended to puff up the author & tickle the ear of the reader. it is like a Christianese version of horoscopes that some people get addicted to. they need their ‘fix’ of some supra-spiritual sounding drivel that apparently has no ebb. provide a stage for so-called prophetic-rhetoric & you have everyone & their kitchen sink submitting words of no earthly good. Lord have mercy… 😦

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