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Lou Engle Partners With the Second Coming of Moses & other items of interest…


Been catching up on some reading today & want to pass along a few items which interested me…

This first one is a doozy. Lou Engle (The Call) now has a co-host for his upcoming November Call rally in Detroit, one David E. Taylor who calls himself a “face to face prophet, like unto Moses”

Taylor’s official biography states: “Since 1989 from the time that he was 17 years old, he has been granted well over 1000 face-to-face visitation appearances from Jesus Christ personally.”….In fact, Taylor contends that Jesus appointed him to be America’s Moses.. (See: Engle Partners With The Second Coming Of Moses For The Call)

Bill Fawcett at Beyond Grace has posted something very interesting concerning a prophecy given out by Bob Jones in 1983 called the “White Horse Prophecy” . (See: Mike Bickle – the White Horse Prophecy)

In the past week a number of dominionist NAR “Apostles” have emailed out letters and made public statements defending their beliefs/doctrines claiming ‘We’re not Dominionists!’. (Yeah, sure, tell me another one)Herescope has posted on Wagner’s lame defense. (See: C. Peter Wagner Spins the NAR)

This may not interest anyone but me, but having worked in public education it made me sick,

Two weeks before Thanksgiving in 2003, top officials from Texas Governor Rick Perry’s office pitched an unusual offer to the state’s retired teachers: Let’s get into the death business. Perry’s budget director, Mike Morrissey, laid out a pitch that was both ambitious and risky, according to notes summarizing the meeting provided to The Huffington Post. According to the notes, which were authenticated by a meeting participant, the Perry administration wanted to help Wall Street investors gamble on how long retired Texas teachers would live.

Perry was promising the state big money in exchange for helping Swiss banking giant UBS set up a business of teacher death speculation. All they had to do was convince retirees to let UBS buy life insurance policies on them. When the retirees died, those policies would pay out benefits to Wall Street speculators, and the state, supposedly, would get paid for arranging the bets. The families of the deceased former teachers would get nothing.

The governor’s office was even prepared to put down a little cash up front. If retirees balked at the notion of the state profiting from their deaths, Perry’s budget men suggested they could be persuaded for the cost of a pair of shoes, according to the meeting notes. If a retiree signed a contract allowing the state’s teacher pension fund to buy life insurance on them, the governor was prepared to give them between $50 and $100….The notes make clear that the governor’s proposal deliberately targeted the elderly. The state was only seeking to take out life insurance on people between the ages of 75 and 90. (See:Rick Perry Sought State Profits From Teacher Life Insurance Scheme)

Remember this expose when reading articles like this one: Rick Perry & the evangelicals: A marriage made in heaven

7 comments on “Lou Engle Partners With the Second Coming of Moses & other items of interest…

  1. You know, every time I read Matthew 7:22-24 or Luke 13:26-28 I get a chill because I cannot imagine a more horrible fate…yet I really fear that these various NAR “prophets” are heaping up just such a reward for themselves.

  2. “Apostle Taylor was in a major conference in Providence, Rhode Island when three leaders from Canada approached him after hearing his testimony about how God has been coming down in every region that he is sent to. He told them that he would love to come and that God said He would go before him! Everyone agreed to the wonderful news and just three days later God appeared openly before millions in Canada!

    Millions in Canada?
    Well, No.
    On the St. John River gorge storm front clouds looked like a face for about a minute. This storm front was filmed in Grand Falls New Brunswick.

    It’s a town of around 5 thousand people.
    Population density of Grand Falls 801 per sq. mi.

    it’s is a potato farming area, with a McCains potato processing plant. It’s a nice scenic place.

    The cloud formation (God) lasted about 20 seconds.

    Millions in Canada?
    Well. No.
    The county has around 20 thousand people.
    That in 2,124 sq. mi.
    Population density 2.7
    8 thousand homes in those 2,125 sq. mi.

    Millions in Canada?
    Well. No.
    The province of New Brunswick has just over 7 hundred thousand people.

  3. MATTHEW 7:21…………….. “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter.

    22 Many will say to Me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?’

    23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; DEPART FROM ME, YOU WHO PRACTICE LAWLESSNESS!”

    Re: BrotherK:…Your right, BK. It’s very, very sad. I’ve been in Lou Engle’s meetings, and he is very sincere it seems. To me, he is also very soulish…and interprets the gospel through the staging of events, THE CAUSE…..rather than the impartation of life, and the preaching of the Cross as the only means to be forgiven of your sins.

    Why? Because they do not believe the true gospel, and besides, if they did, it’s too expensive….for they would have to go. Their ivory tower and generalship would be devastated into meekness, and actually loving the brothers.

    No more “leader of millions”, but lowliness, just like Jesus, and become a slave unto the least of the family of God, and at best, an elder in the church…submitted to other elders…without a salary. This would burst their bubble…..I can hear their hearts Now…”GET behind me Satan!”…to even suggest that they are not the anointed head of a great movement….but just nobodies…who found mercy…just like you and me.

    Do you notice that what is left out of all of their ministries? There is no preaching of the Cross of Jesus, and the self-crucifying Cross we must bear to follow Him. It is all about the “big picture”..”the cause”…and that undefined “army of Elijah’s” that will overcome and do exploits in that future victory. I have lived at IHOP, and KCF/Metro Vineyard…and have seen this “cause” develop over 20 years. Constant pumping-up of the soldiers..[ all glassy eyed youth enamored to be the 1% of the truly committed company of prayer Champions for Jesus…]…and always holding the carrot in front of them of approbation…and maybe a brush encounter with Mike Bickle.

    I call it………………………………HIGH SPIRITUALITY

    COLD LOVE.

    It certainly does not emanate the true holy heart that obviously knows Him…and here-in is the TRAGEDY! They are leading tens of thousands of young lambs astray!!..Young lambs who want God…and are receiving other spirits, and another gospel that does not glorify Jesus, or His sacrifice!

    Here-in is the SIN….they are WOLVES, devouring multitudes…all in the name of Jesus, and these young-ones are having a foundation laid in them that pridefully hails their super-committed idealism as a sacrifice for Jesus……….and they too may well be in that line….the one on HIS left hand pointing downward.

  4. Considering Taylor…the Moses fellow with over 1000 face to face encounters with Jesus……Here is my take: ……………KUNDALINI.

    KUNDALINI is a Hindi word that describes a strength within man that when awakened, exhibits a variety of real powers. It is, of course demonic in nature, and sensual in manifestation. Look at some of the Todd Bentley videos in Lakeland…or Benny Hinn to see how it affects crowds. Swooning..[SLAIN IN THE SPIRIT…]…sweating, shaking, bending..[TORONTO STYLE]….and the like. [ Emma with her bags of gold are also allowed..]

    The guru of Bhudda, or of Hindi mysticism and the Roman Catholic Monasteries [IHOP too] all teach the path to attain unto this state…and call it prayer. It is not..but in American nomenclature is..TRANSCENDENTAL MEDITATION. Guided imagery, and singular repetitive chanting, or hypnotic focus on ideas or objects, will TRANSCEND you to the spiritual world, where you will be assisted by the helpers there, to assure you that you have found God.

    Really, you will find fallen angels, who excel at deception; they are smarter than you, and their motive is to bring worship to themselves. This is the nature of deception.Often, though, this power is awakened by the entrance of one of those satanic helpers into the soul of a man or woman, and a “FORTRESS” is formed…meaning that several more imps and devils arrive, and organize. This is hard for many to understand, but Satan is very, very organized. [See Amos 5:8 and 9..to see God’s plan to destroy these fortresses..]

    This Moses of America is like a peacock prancing back and forth on stage, dressed in silk, and of course, wants the world to know that he is the most spiritual man who ever lived. Jesus appears to him once a week or so…[ do the math..]…and directs him, face to face. That has to be multiple hundreds of times MORE than any of the prophets or Apostles, [ Paul the apostle, or John. ]

    He’s also obviously raking in a lot of cash…and doesn’t that seem odd? Wonder if Jesus told him that this was wise?

    He has power all right…but it is the kind that begins in the underworld, and returns there when the lights are turned off. He too, is given access to the young of the herd, and portrayed as the true, through Engle’s endorsement…to surely stumble many. I want to vomit…but this has to be said anyway. We are in the midst of the great falling away, and the separation of the Harvest. The TARES are that poison weed, that must be thrown into the fire….with all of those who have eaten it too.

    The true gospel is simple and clean, and centered around local assemblies with true shepherds. these must be unprofessional, unpaid, non-hired slaves…to do three things.

    1. FEED THE FLOCK OF GOD.

    2, PROTECT THE FLOCK OF GOD.

    3. MANIFEST THE ABSOLUTE LORDSHIP OF JESUS OF NAZARETH IN EVERY SITUATION TO GOD’S PEOPLE, AND THE WORLD.

  5. Thomas,

    a couple of things I would mention after reading your words.

    When a group of men, anointed called servants of the Word prosper and increase the congregation they are given the charge of, it is not uncommon for one or more of them to receive a stipend and a living from the tithes of the Church. So, I am not much on board with the unpaid scenario you proffer there.

    The other thing is this that I would like to say by way of my own edition to some of your words above, these: “…He has power all right…but it is the kind that begins in the underworld, and returns there when the lights are turned [off]. …”.

    I would edit out one word and insert one word because I see it a little differently than you. Both ways of saying it tend to the Truth so no one should take it one way and not both?

    Here’s my edition: He has power all right…but it is the kind that begins in the underworld, and returns there when the lights are turned [on].

    I have found the best solution to darkness is “light” and of course not just any light, but the Light Who created light and separated the light from the darkness! See Genesis 1:3-4.

  6. “When a group of men, anointed called servants of the Word prosper and increase the congregation they are given the charge of, it is not uncommon for one or more of them to receive a stipend and a living from the tithes of the Church. So, I am not much on board with the unpaid scenario you proffer there.”Michael”

    That is true, Michael…but what does the Word say about hirelings…..and the increase and prospering of the “congregation” has never had a thing to do with paying it’s shepherds. That’s more word of Faith/Prosperity heresy….and where in the New Testment to you see tithing as a practice, and the tithe going to the head chiefs?…another unbiblical tradition motivated by the Clergy/Laity deception.

    We are all ministers, and equally valued in every way….and whatever non-compelled giving that happens, [ in love we hope..]…is certainly not pocketed by the human heads as a benefit for the “priesthood”..Biblically speaking of course.

    Why does the hireling flee?..”.I am the good shepherd: the good shepherd giveth his life for the sheep. ”

    “But he that is an hireling, and not the shepherd, whose own the sheep are not, seeth the wolf coming, and leaveth the sheep, and fleeth: and the wolf catcheth them, and scattereth the sheep.

    The hireling fleeth, because he is an hireling, and careth not for the sheep.

    I am the good shepherd, and know my sheep, and am known of mine.

    As the Father knoweth me, even so know I the Father: and I lay down my life for the sheep.”

    The average “Pastor” lasts about two to three years at one church, the last time I checked. There is not one instance in the New Testament of a one man Pastorette…but always a plurality…always. There is not an instance of the professional, paid eldership either…except in the concept of “double honor” toward the shepherds…and that is just that…honor…because of their burden of love and self denial that they must bear to continually lay their lives down for the body, and especially the least of the brothers and sisters….out of Love.

    The part about “the lights are turned off…” has to do with death…which everyone here will soon enter into. It will be a severe horror, even more-so, to those who assumed they worked for Jesus, and were not so….when they stood before the Lord, and received the most aweful shock ever….”Depart From ME!”…Jesus speaks…

  7. Thomas,

    you make good hay to eat, no disputes there.

    There are Christian organizations, like the one I am apart of, where we come under the anointing and authority of the Holy Spirit and it seems right to set in a leadership position/s a singular buck stopper decision maker along with paid staff.

    Of course there are men of God, elders and deacons and ministers, who work with him when it comes to the major decisions that need to be made within our group.

    I agree that there have been some extreme abuses of authority that have not produced the vibrant Holy Spirit filled sheepfold. These naturally endowed charismatic leaders will go through the same fire as we all.

    The tithe is a concept established by God seen most clearly in Genesis through the encounter of Abraham with Melchizedek. That idea by the way was well before the Laws were established through Moses.

    What I am addressing is a “down to earth” and very practical accounting reality necessary for order to be established within a group of people who agree together in establishing a governmental structure whereby the group manages the building where they gather to offer their spiritual sacrifices uniquely to God, some of which includes the giving of our money for Godly purposes. It takes money to pay the bills.

    The New Testament sets up that model well.

    The men of my Church are self-employed and business owners or employees of other members of my Church who are business owners following this model primarily:

    Act 20:32 And now I commend you to God and to the word of his grace, which is able to build you up and to give you the inheritance among all those who are sanctified.
    Act 20:33 I coveted no one’s silver or gold or apparel.
    Act 20:34 You yourselves know that these hands ministered to my necessities and to those who were with me.
    Act 20:35 In all things I have shown you that by working hard in this way we must help the weak and remember the words of the Lord Jesus, how he himself said, ‘It is more blessed to give than to receive.'”

    We also read about laying up funds for the needs of the poor Saints. We also read about giving to the support of True Ministers as 2 Cor. 9 lays out. We also read about those who “partnered” with others in contributing to the efforts to bring the Gospel free of charge to those in need. We also read this from the Book of Galatians:

    Gal 6:6 One who is taught the word must share all good things with the one who teaches.

    Again, I see nothing wrong with tithing. (sharing); or giving to a charity fund administered by the Local Pastor and Elders and men of the Church. Also, we have a Church secretary and we pay our teachers in our private school. We pay for janitorial services at times and we pay for the fixin’s when we have a Church picnic after Sunday services.

    If you want your children to attend our Christian School you are required to attend our Church, give tithes regularly from your earnings and a monthly amount based on how many of your children who attend. If you do not want to have your children attend our Christian School you are not required to tithe and of course you would not be charged for non attendance of your children.

    These matters are deeply emotional for some people. Everything is to be done decently and in order for the edification of the Church.

    I agree that some people operate as a hireling in and amongst the True Sheep of the Lord. They may not be found out in this life operating unawares. They will be known for who they are and what their deeds were, though, in the next life. The fire will surely prove it as Jude says!

    Jud 1:12 These are hidden reefs at your love feasts, as they feast with you without fear, shepherds feeding themselves; waterless clouds, swept along by winds; fruitless trees in late autumn, twice dead, uprooted;
    Jud 1:13 wild waves of the sea, casting up the foam of their own shame; wandering stars, for whom the gloom of utter darkness has been reserved forever.

    Whenever we are anointed to detect and remove such hidden reefs, we should. To find and remove all of them, well, I just see that happening. I don’t think that is going to happen. We will just have to wait until the last day when God sends Christ, our Good Shepherd, back to gather out of this present heavens and earth the Sheep separating them from the goats.

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