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Church and State: or what makes Rick Santorum sick


Presidential candidate Rick Santorum says the notion of religion not playing role in politics “makes me want to throw up.”

“To say that people of faith have no role in the public square? You bet that makes me want to throw up. What kind of country do we live in where only people of non-faith can come in the public square and make their case? That makes me throw up. And that should make every American [throw up],” Santorum said on ABC’s “This Week.” The former Pennsylvania senator was referring to John F. Kennedy’s famous 1960 speech that argued religion should be separate from politics. “I don’t believe in an America where the separation between church and state is absolute,” Santorum said. (link)

Of course JFK said nothing about  how people of faith should be kept out of the ‘public square’. But big deal…whats a few lies during an election year? 

JFK speech in 1960 when he was a Senator running for the Presidency… the U.S. had never had a Catholic President before. People were worried that the Vatican was going to sway JFK’s actions as President.  

 

11 comments on “Church and State: or what makes Rick Santorum sick

  1. Which religion should impact the secular government? The Roman Catholic Church? Islam? Jewish?

    • In America it appears now to depend on what religion the sitting president holds to.

      We (the church) have created this two-headed monster by failing to keep that which is spiritual separate from what is secular.

      God has ordained two governments: the spiritual, which by the Holy Spirit under Christ makes Christians and pious people; and the secular, which restrains the unchristian and wicked so that they are obliged to keep the peace outwardly…The laws of worldly government extend no farther than to life and property and what is external upon earth. For over the soul God can and will let no one rule but himself. Therefore, where temporal power presumes to prescribe laws for the soul, it encroaches upon God’s government and only misleads and destroys souls. We desire to make this so clear that every one shall grasp it, and that the princes and bishops may see what fools they are when they seek to coerce the people with their laws and commandments into believing one thing or another.

      We are to be subject to governmental power and do what it bids, as long as it does not bind our conscience but legislates only concerning outward matters…But if it invades the spiritual domain and constrains the conscience, over which God only must preside and rule, we should not obey it at all but rather lose our necks. Temporal authority and government extend no further than to matters which are external and corporeal. (Martin Luther, On Secular Authority)

    • I wonder if that is the question to be asked given the revelation of the Truth found in these verses?

      Deu 32:21 They have made me jealous with what is no god; they have provoked me to anger with their idols. So I will make them jealous with those who are no people; I will provoke them to anger with a foolish nation.

      And as you know, both in the Septuagint and in the Hebrew scriptures the word “nation”, there, means a “foreign” people, as in, “The Church”, the bride of Christ, those born again from every nation, tongue, tribe and kindred of people, a people whose hearts have been circumcised, too?

      Somehow the Holy Spirit will bring us all back into His focus of things now, and to come, done and being done, or to be done, as we learn from the Apostle Paul and these words, here:

      Eph 3:6 This mystery is that the Gentiles are fellow heirs, members of the same body, and partakers of the promise in Christ Jesus through the gospel.

      Eph 5:15 Look carefully then how you walk, not as unwise but as wise,
      Eph 5:16 making the best use of the time, because the days are evil.
      Eph 5:17 Therefore do not be foolish, but understand what the will of the Lord is.

      Clearly, from Genesis onward, we see God placing “gentile” people into the mix.

      It seems to me that if the Church will simply get back to impacting the world with the Truth in “all” nations and fulfill the Eternal Purpose she is called into, too, to fulfill the Gospel in bringing its message to every creature, your question will become moot? Those Jews Moses prophesied about in God’s song, Deuteronomy 32, will, in our day be provoked to jealousy by this “nation” so as to return to the same reality as those of us are who are provoking them to this jealousy?

      The world has a system set up functioning under the guidance of the god of this world.

      The Church has an eternal system to discover and come into that has never been set up seeing it is from the “Eternal” Godhead. It is Christ through His Church that needs to arise and take center stage in these days just as the Apostle Paul wrote about, here:

      Eph 3:8 To me, though I am the very least of all the saints, this grace was given, to preach to the Gentiles the unsearchable riches of Christ,
      Eph 3:9 and to bring to light for everyone what is the plan of the mystery hidden for ages in God who created all things,
      Eph 3:10 so that through the church the manifold wisdom of God might now be made known to the rulers and authorities in the heavenly places.
      Eph 3:11 This was according to the eternal purpose that he has realized in Christ Jesus our Lord,
      Eph 3:12 in whom we have boldness and access with confidence through our faith in him.

  2. Martin Luther really makes all this clear. But we live in a time when many if not most “evangelicals” have already discarded much of the truth enshrined in reformation teaching. That, of course, is why they see no problem in hooking their spiritual waggon to a Catholic or even a Mormon. The church these days is coming together. And it is not coming together around the cross.

  3. A former colleague once described Rick Santorum as a Catholic missionary who happens to be a Senator. When he speaks of “the church” having influence in government he is speaking only of the RC church

    • When he speaks of “the church” having influence in government he is speaking only of the RC church

      Yes, and he doesn’t even try to conceal it.

    • I actually admire Mr Santorum on that level. He is a very straight up guy and there aren’t very many of those in politics. But I believe, of course, that he is very, very wrong on a number of issues just as the Roman church is very, very wrong on a number of issues related to church and state.

  4. Santorum severely misrepresents his record in the Senate. he is a politician, but his greatest attribute is that unlike the others he has always stood for the unborn. That is not the church’s calling, however I do admire him for that.

  5. Speaking out for the unborn is not the churchs calling?

    • michael i don’t think anyone is saying its not part of the church’s responsibility to speak out for all life in general.

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