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European Union Could Become German Empire


Just passing along the link to an article which caught my attention. It interested me because of the nagging thought recently, that Germany bears watching. 

George Soros: European Union Could Become ‘German Empire’ 

11 comments on “European Union Could Become German Empire

  1. Yes, Germany could now achieve by economic power what it failed to achieve by military power twice in the last century – European domination. Let’s hope and pray the other European leaders wake up before it is too late.

    • True Gordon.

      I recall reading somewhere that a number of bible prophecy teachers, both present and in the past, believe there to be an Assyrian/Germany, Nimrod connection. Have you ever read anything about that?

  2. No I haven’t PJ., but I have read medieval to modern history and covered the period up until the end of the British Empire in 1975.

    Germany resented the fact that whereas Britain and France were world powers prior to 1914, it, the strongest country in Europe, was only a Continental power. The Schlieffen Plan of 1905 was devised to hit Russia before she could could become too strong for Germany to defeat, and the idea of ‘Lebensraum’ (living space), which developed greater importance in Nazi Germany, required clearing out unwanted peoples from Poland and parts of Czechslovakia to achieve. Furthermore, Germany resented having the Versailles Treaty imposed upon them since their leaders considered that they were not defeated in WWI, having sued for an armistice in 1918, leading to the idea that 1918-1939 was simply a break in hostilities, before resurrecting their ambitions in WWII.

    I am not saying that their aims are the same today but I sometimes wonder if spiritual powers lurk behind national traits and aspirations. Now there is talk of developing a Federal Europe with Germany in the driving seat.

    Interestingly, the Greeks, who are struggling to meet its commitments to the Euro, are still waiting for Germany to pay them reparations for damage done in the two world wars!

    • I am not saying that their aims are the same today but I sometimes wonder if spiritual powers lurk behind national traits and aspirations.

      Gordon what comes to mind are the words of Danial 10:

      In the third year of Cyrus king of Persia a thing was revealed unto Daniel, whose name was called Belteshazzar; and the thing was true, but the time appointed was long: and he understood the thing, and had understanding of the vision. In those days I Daniel was mourning three full weeks. I ate no pleasant bread, neither came flesh nor wine in my mouth, neither did I anoint myself at all, till three whole weeks were fulfilled. And in the four and twentieth day of the first month, as I was by the side of the great river, which is Hiddekel;

      Then I lifted up mine eyes, and looked, and behold a certain man clothed in linen, whose loins were girded with fine gold of Uphaz: His body also was like the beryl, and his face as the appearance of lightning, and his eyes as lamps of fire, and his arms and his feet like in colour to polished brass, and the voice of his words like the voice of a multitude. And I Daniel alone saw the vision: for the men that were with me saw not the vision; but a great quaking fell upon them, so that they fled to hide themselves. Therefore I was left alone, and saw this great vision, and there remained no strength in me: for my comeliness was turned in me into corruption, and I retained no strength. Yet heard I the voice of his words: and when I heard the voice of his words, then was I in a deep sleep on my face, and my face toward the ground. And, behold, an hand touched me, which set me upon my knees and upon the palms of my hands.

      And he said unto me, O Daniel, a man greatly beloved, understand the words that I speak unto thee, and stand upright: for unto thee am I now sent. And when he had spoken this word unto me, I stood trembling.Then said he unto me, Fear not, Daniel: for from the first day that thou didst set thine heart to understand, and to chasten thyself before thy God, thy words were heard, and I am come for thy words. But the prince of the kingdom of Persia withstood me one and twenty days: but, lo, Michael, one of the chief princes, came to help me; and I remained there with the kings of Persia.

      We know Paul wrote: “For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places” Ephes. 6:12

      So for me, its not inconceivable that specific (individual) spiritual powers and principalities may be delegated to influence an individual nation.

      I’m going to try to locate where i read about the possibility of an Assyrian/Germany connection. If i locate it i’ll share it.

  3. I think that’s an over exaggeration on a massive scale. While yes, Germany is an economic freight train when compared to the rest of Europe a couple problems emerge:

    1) While southern Europe is under a state of dependence on the big players, Germany is not alone in domination. France also has a powerful economy and I can’t see France anytime soon ceding rights or primacy of the EU to Germany. The southern countries won’t dissolve the union, they need it to maintain their own deficit economies.

    2) Germans are some of the least patriotic people on the planet (this is probably a good thing). Germans are more likely to be ashamed of their country (except during the World Cup) than any other European. Just because German businesses are sharks, doesn’t mean they have any interest in Der Vaterland assuming power. Germany’s wealth, while sometimes exploiting, is relatively benign when compared to France who treats her former colonies in Africa as colonies still.

  4. I didn’t see anything in that article that I thought wrong. It’s going to take a long time and a lot of change to get Germany anywhere to the level of an Empire.

  5. I think there are dangers to being overly apocalyptic regarding this issue. The EU concept has worked out only marginally in many ways thus far, and the grandly unified Europe imagined both by its visionaries AND by those identifying it as the consummate Antichrist power has failed to emerge. Of course, it could eventually happen, but, on the other hand, it may come to nothing and could end up being just one more prophetic rabbit trail for evangelicals. Who knows what the future holds? Certainly no one other than God Himself. And we can rest in the assurance that no matter what emerges, He will prepare us to deal with it. God IS on the throne, and no degree of ascendance by Germany or any other power is going to change that.

    • Who knows what the future holds? Certainly no one other than God Himself. And we can rest in the assurance that no matter what emerges, He will prepare us to deal with it.

      Amen George. God will prepare us!

  6. Hi, I am a German and I have to say, that every idea of a comming “German Empire” is absolut nonsense.
    Anyone who claims that in Germany there would be any efforts towards a “German Empire” shows only that he has no real knowledge, but a large Phatnasie. There are no efforts in Germany, which would result in the direction of an Empire. It is absolutely ridiculous to say something like that at all.
    Germany in particular is committed to a large extent for a common Europe and is thus, along with many other European countries. Germany is made up primarily to ensure a strong Europe, not for any such nonsense as a “German Empire”.
    Let you be said by a German, that such claims are simply silly and just plain nonsense.

    • Hi Charly….thank you so much for visiting and for commenting. Like i stated in my reply to Cal, things can change very quickly in this world we live in. In a matter of a relatively short span (and under certain circumstances) the world standing of nations have changed dramatically in the past. The United States is a case in point. At the end of WW2 the US was “suddenly” looked upon as a Superpower. Today that status is being challenged. As a German im sure you could tell me a-lot about the dramatic changes which occurred in Germany (economically, politically, etc.) at the end of WW1 and during the intervening years leading up to WW2. Again my point is things can change.

      I read an interesting article at the CS Monitor: Germany – the new mini-superpower

      quote,

      Quietly at first but less so now, Germany is breaking out of its postwar identity – the assumptions and understandings that held it in place for 60 years. Germany is shedding the past, busting old taboos and being more assertive. What an evolving Germany will look like in 20 or even five years is unclear, but will have profound consequences for Europe and the West. Much of the recent breakout is due to a rising German industrial base achieved by elbow grease, niche market savvy, and, as is often said here, by “doing our homework.”

      Germans have looked around lately to find they have the preeminent world-class export economy in Europe. No one else comes close. German precision tools are coveted in Asia and Russia like Fabergé eggs. Germany is building much of the Summer Olympic and World Cup facilities in Brazil. The next generation of Eurostar trains linking the Continent and Britain will be made by Siemens of Germany, not, as they traditionally have been, by Alstom of France – a blow to French pride.

      Postwar ideals and institutions that bound Germany into Europe – Yalta, European Union integration, NATO and transatlantic solidarity, the Franco-German alliance – are still visible. But they are less central to Berlin as time moves on. New generations of Germans read about Auschwitz as ancient history, and kids in Berlin schoolyards play with Russian children. Old taboos about patriotism and flag-waving are waning. Germany appears a more “normal nation.”

      On some fundamental level, Germany’s emotional postwar binding with Europe and America is giving way to a new “realism.” A reunified Germany is talking openly about its own interests and not subordinating them to EU interests. It now talks, for example, about protecting its trade routes. That’s certainly not unfair – it’s just new.

      “Germany feels Europe is holding it back and that it increasingly wants to go global alone – faster, further, and better,” says Ulrike Guérot, director of the European Council on Foreign Relations in Berlin. “There is a gap between the old rhetoric and the new reality.” (Much More Here)

      Please understand, im not advocating that the EU “will” become a new German Empire, only that i am being led to watch closely what is taking place.

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