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Stupid is as Stupid does… particularly when it speaks


WASHINGTON — Rep. Louie Gohmert (R-Texas) said Friday that the shootings that took place in an Aurora, Colo. movie theater hours earlier were a result of “ongoing attacks on Judeo-Christian beliefs” and questioned why nobody else in the theater had a gun to take down the shooter.

Louie Gohmert: Aurora Shootings Result Of ‘Ongoing Attacks On Judeo-Christian Beliefs’

21 comments on “Stupid is as Stupid does… particularly when it speaks

  1. What?! How on earth can a crazy man shooting a bunch of crazy people watching fantasy violence to that degree be possibly called an attack on Judeo-Christian beliefs? The biggest irony was that fact that these people were watching the very acts of violence that this man perpetrated on them. It was the movie come to life, but with no so called hero to come to the rescue. I guess fantasy is easier to swallow than reality. They shouldn’t have been in there watching that garbage in the first place.

    • How on earth can a crazy man shooting a bunch of crazy people watching fantasy violence to that degree be possibly called an attack on Judeo-Christian beliefs?

      Exactly. It can’t. I still say these folks who claim they see an attack on “Judeo-Christian beliefs” at every imagined opportunity, won’t know what hit them if they live long enough to experience real persecution.

      Then we have Alex Jones who claims the Movie Theater Shooting Was Staged By The Government

    • Real persecution? These people couldn’t recognize persecution if it beheaded them (in the name of Allah).
      I couldn’t imagine a professing Christian going to something like this and being able to justify it. This sort of trash should be avoided like leprosy. My wife was reading up on it a little, and I was disgusted over the level of sickness and violence in this movie. What’s next, huh? If people take their children to stuff like this, what will those children take their children to one day?

      Lord come quickly…

    • “I couldn’t imagine a professing Christian going to something like this and being able to justify it. ”

      Why? That’s quite a harsh judgment to make.

      I watch violent and sometimes disturbing films to gain insight into how others view the world and to challenge and asses my own view (that Jesus is Lord). That’s fine that you can’t watch it without feeling tempted or polluted, but I don’t think it is fair to bind another’s conscience.

      The Batman movies in particular, at least the past 2, raise interesting questions to consider.

      Lord come quickly, indeed.

    • First off it goes against scripture…Phil 4.8 Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are honest, whatsoever things are just, whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever things are lovely, whatsoever things are of good report; if there be any virtue, and if there be any praise, think on these things.
      Psalm 11:5 The LORD tests the righteous,but his soul hates the wicked and the one who loves violence.
      Psa 101:3 I will set no wicked thing before mine eyes: I hate the work of them that turn aside; it shall not cleave to me.

      Why would you want to view this stuff? We all know the world is lost and needs a Saviour, namely Jesus Christ, let’s be honest now, you like what you watch and you are fascinated by it. Like a frog slowly being boiled in water, so are you and those like you who derive “insight” into the psyche of mankind through this sort of tripe. Fill you mind and eyes with pornography of you want an accurate representation of the state of the world, betcha won’t go that far…or have you?

    • Brother, I understand it violates your conscience and you can see no other benefit to watching it than a “love of violence”, that would (as you quote) be contrary to our walk in Christ. I disagree and I’ll leave it at that.

      Blessings in Our Lord Jesus,
      Cal

  2. Brothers if i may add my .02🙂

    Romans 14:5 One man considers one day more sacred than another; another man considers every day alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind.

    Romans14: 22-23 Hast thou faith? have it to thyself before God. Happy is he that condemneth not himself in that thing which he alloweth. And he that doubteth is damned if he eat, because he eateth not of faith: for whatsoever is not of faith is sin.

    Applying this biblical principle (concerning days and/or what one eats) to anything else not specifically spelled out in God’s word has always been my practice. Personally i have found if i need to even ask (if something is allowed) then its pretty clear i need to leave it alone.

    For instance, i don’t drink any form of alcohol. Not because the word specifically says “do not ever, under any circumstances, drink any type of alcoholic beverage”. I know many God fearing and God loving Christians who partake of a glass of wine with dinner on occasion. I see nothing wrong with that and do not condemn them. Its just something i cannot do without falling under conviction.

    “In this chapter we have a remarkably fine discussion of the nature of Christian charity. Differences of “opinion” will arise, and people will be divided into various sects; but if the rules which are laid down in this chapter were followed, the contentions, and altercations, and strifes among Christians would cease. Amid all such differences, the great question is, whether there is true love to the Lord Jesus. If there is, the apostle teaches us that we have no right to judge a brother, or despise him, or contend harshly with him. Our object should be to promote peace, to aid him in his efforts to become holy, and to seek to build him up in holy faith. (Barnes’ Notes on the Bible: Romans 14)

    • I guess I have to admit to immaturity regarding this subject (Rom. 14). I have always had a problem with understanding this passage. In my mind it give a man a clear license to do whatever he “feels justified in”.

      It also shuts down anyone who thinks his brother is doing something that is harmful to himself or others. Just as Cal likes to watch disturbing movies, I have no right to tell him that what he is doing is harmful. Maybe you can point me in the direction of some information that will help me clear up what seems to be a direct contradiction in Scripture. Many places we are told to put away works of the flesh, separate ourselves, etc., but here it tells me that if my brother wants to watch Batman movies with all its violence and ugliness, I have no right to say anything.

      Please help me understand. Thanks.

    • In my mind it give a man a clear license to do whatever he “feels justified in”.

      No, not at all my friend.

      Matthew Henry’s commentary on Romans 14 begins by stating,

      Differences of opinion prevailed even among the immediate followers of Christ and their disciples. Nor did St. Paul attempt to end them. Compelled assent to any doctrine, or conformity to outward observances without being convinced, would be hypocritical and of no avail. Attempts for producing absolute oneness of mind among Christians would be useless. Let not Christian fellowship be disturbed with strifes of words. It will be good for us to ask ourselves, when tempted to disdain and blame our brethren; Has not God owned them? and if he has, dare I disown them? Let not the Christian who uses his liberty, despise his weak brother… Let not the scrupulous believer find fault with his brother, for God accepted him….We usurp the place of God, when we take upon us thus to judge the thoughts and intentions of others.. (more here)

      The bottom line is when the word of God is neutral, or silent on certain subjects (or actions) we, as followers of Christ, depend solely upon the indwelling Holy Spirit to either give us peace about it, or gently convict (not condemn) us of it being sin if we partake of and/or in it. From your comment concerning attending the movie in question, the Spirit and your heart tells you it would be wrong…even sin to attend. Personally, i also would be convicted if i attended, and knowing this, it would be sin if i chose to over-ride that conviction and attend anyway.

      Realizing it is ultimately the Spirit of God who gives peace or brings conviction,(in this case concerning a matter not clearly spelled out in God’s word), we may gently (in love) explain to a brother or sister our reasonings for why we believe as we do on the matter: but as Matthew Henry pointed out, we must also be aware that,

      “compelled assent to any doctrine, or conformity to outward observances without being convinced, would be hypocritical and of no avail”

  3. I think there is a difference between a view held in general terms – “they shouldn’t have been watching that stuff in the first place” and a conversation with another individual when you say “you shouldn’t have been watching that stuff in the first place”. When making such a comment in the second scenario you only really have the right if the other person has requested your input perhaps asking what he or she should do in a particular situation. Otherwise in relation to questions of conscience it is the Holy Spirit who convicts and He does not do that in the same way to every person. In my view then you do not have the right to say anything to Cal unless he comes to you as a Christian brother and asks for help and guidance. At the moment his conscience and his conviction of the Holy Spirit means that he can watch movies like Batman which by the way he says he watches for others reasons than “he likes to watch disturbing movies” if you read his comment carefully.

  4. “I watch violent and sometimes disturbing films to gain insight into how others view the world and to challenge and asses my own view (that Jesus is Lord). That’s fine that you can’t watch it without feeling tempted or polluted, but I don’t think it is fair to bind another’s conscience.”

    If you read Cal’s comment here as i have pasted it, it says he watches violent and sometimes disturbing films to gain insight…etc.

    I don’t want to bewail this subject any longer as it seems I just can’t understand nor fully appreciate this yet. I can understand where the don’t judge me attitude comes from and if my brother is on fire, sitting by the side of the road and doesn’t ask for help, i am to leave him alone…gotcha.

    • Its a good subject my friend. I’m glad it was brought up in this thread.

      Forgive me if my comment sounded as though i was saying we are to never warn a brother or sister if we see them treading on dangerous ground. That was not my intention. I’m not always good at explaining what i mean, when its not face to face.🙂

    • No, it’s just that it seems to be (at least in my mind) a contradiction when I am in one place told not to judge unless I am asked, and in another place told to be a judge to those inside the church. What if my brother (Cal in this place) wants to go to a strip club and booze it up with loose women, and he doesn’t feel convicted by the Holy Spirit so he goes ahead with his endevour? Am I to stand idly by and allow him to proceed? According to Romans 14, I have no right to say anything. If he feels convicted and comes to me, then I can assist. There is a black and white standard in Phil. 4.8 that tells us what to think about. Batman does not fall into this section no matter what we think. In order to justify going to strip clubs, watching violent and disturbing movies and the like goes in clear opposition to this scripture (among many others). I am not perfect nor can I ever be, but it takes love to stand against a brother (Paul and Peter) and rebuke him of his sin. Am I wrong?

    • What if my brother (Cal in this place) wants to go to a strip club and booze it up with loose women, and he doesn’t feel convicted by the Holy Spirit so he goes ahead with his endevour? Am I to stand idly by and allow him to proceed?

      We’ve kinda went off the reservation here a little, from going to a movie to going to a strip club and boozing it up. Aha!🙂

      Nevertheless, you asked if you are to “allow him to proceed”.

      My question is, what would you propose to do, in order to stop him?

    • I didn’t want to respond, but I think I have to write something to clear some things up.

      First, of course you ought to enter into a brothers life, that’s why the Church is mainly spoken in terms of family. However, as we are distant relatives (so to speak), you don’t know me. When it comes to the common things of the world, you don’t know my conscience. I’m not just saying “hey, don’t judge me man” but rather judge rightly.

      Your problem is you misunderstand the principle of purity. It is not what goes into you but what comes out of you. When you watch Batman, all you focus on is the violence, and it is like poison to your conscience and you would be tempted. You don’t know what exactly my reasons, or anyone’s reasons, to go see Batman. You threw down your judgment with such harshness that I was compelled to say something.

      The scandalous thing about grace and the freedom that is in Christ is that if I was unable to sin by going to a stripclub, I would be able to go. I’m being shocking for a reason. Of course, I don’t think there is any heterosexual male who could go without temptation (except in some very odd, strange, extreme scenario). That’s the point. All things are permitted, though not everything is beneficial.

      I was a half-step away from joining the Marine Corps and perhaps falling into oblivion before the Lord drew me out and saved me by His grace. I know and am sensitive to violence.

      Yet my conscience is not violated in seeing Batman. Your conscience is. If I’m not tempted to sin by watching the movie and I learn and appreciate the art of a good story, that’s fine. Yes, I am free to watch it. You say you cannot, and in the words of Paul, that makes you the weaker brother. Not the lesser brother, lest you think I’m trying to rip on you or insult you. I have my own areas where I am weaker and ask brothers/sisters to accommodate, and visa-versa.

      I know you are concerned and zealous for His Kingdom. Praise be to our Lord! But don’t go striking down others. If we were companions in the real world, I would not ask you or watch Batman in front of you as not to offend your conscience. I don’t expect to change your mind on this issue, but let the Spirit work. He will right out both our errors as we become conformed to His image.

      In His love,
      Cal

    • Good post Cal…thank you!🙂

  5. “what would you propose to do in order to stop him”?

    My feeling is that we all do many things through life, some things pleasing to God, some things displeasing to God. The question I find myself asking more and more before I do anything is WILL IT PLEASE/GLORIFY YOU LORD?
    We cannot and should not be any persons conscience but it is appropriate to encourage people to question for themselves DOES THIS GLORIFY GOD? The answer to the question will be apparent if prayed with sincerity.

    Btw,.. great link Jan.

    • Thanks Sylvia
      I hope you are well.
      I have a friend who came out from the closed brethren because other human beings (her church leaders) made judgments upon behaviour and made decisions about what they considered to be acceptable or not acceptable. She left behind children she has not seen for many years and grandchildren that she has never met. I’m sure the church was full of good intentions to encourage their congregation to come out and be separate and not to indulge in the things of this world such as tv, cinema, etc. but taken to extremes it can be very dangerous indeed when we try to legislate another person’s behaviour.

  6. Well yes, we have dove into the pool of hot potatoes haven’t we? You see, the whole, entire premise of this comment thread from my point of view is love. I hurt and feel scared for Cal and others like him that go down alleys that lead to traps and danger. Honestly, can we sit here and say that it’s really okay for us to watch “violent and disturbing” movies and not be alarmed? One person said he smelled hell fire on carnal Christians, and feared for their souls. Obviously this is a metaphor, but in my mind, it takes love to say, “Hey Cal! Don’t do that! You are hurting yourself and the witness you carry with you into the world.”

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