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True or False


Is this statement true or false?

God’s Love Is Unconditional Only To Those Who Are Regenerated And Are In Christ

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  1. I’d reply with a quote from a theologian by the name of T.F. Torrance:

    “God loves you so utterly and completely that he has given himself for you in Jesus Christ his beloved Son, and has thereby pledged his very being as God for your salvation. In Jesus Christ God has actualised his unconditional love for you in your human nature in such a once for all way, that he cannot go back upon it without undoing the Incarnation and the Cross and thereby denying himself. Jesus Christ died for you precisely because you are sinful and utterly unworthy of him, and has thereby already made you his own before and apart from your ever believing in him. He has bound you to himself by his love in a way that he will never let you go, for even if you refuse him and damn yourself in hell his love will never cease. Therefore, repent and believe in Jesus Christ as your Lord and Saviour.”

  2. False. Completely. It is a product of reformed theology.

    • Cal and Henry, the quote was from the website of a very well known Christian ministry. It bothered me when i saw it. The scriptures that kept going round in my head were,

      “For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life”

      and,

      “God demonstrates his own love for us in this: While we were still sinners, Christ died for us”

  3. Right on PJ.

    Rick: I’d say this isn’t exclusively Reformed or even a fully Reformed statement. You’re right that it’s junk. The parable of the good Samaritan is this case in point. Some peoples beliefs about god are that he is the Pharisee or the Levite. Wrong and wrong. The True God is the Samaritan, and we only becoming Truly Man, in the God who became Truly Man, by going and doing likewise. King Jesus or nothing!

    • I should say, to be fair, perhaps i took the person who wrote the line i quoted wrong. At least i’d like to believe so.🙂

      (You can read it in context here)

      Frankly i didn’t understand what the claim of “God’s Love Is Unconditional Only To Those Who Are Regenerated And Are In Christ”, had to do with the rest of the article.

  4. PJ:

    I looked at the link and I think your initial suspicion is correct. I’m pretty sure the author is coming with a hyper-Calvinism. The reason we preach to all is because we don’t know who the actual elect are, the one God loves, out of the mass of humanity.

    I’m all about grace alone and I know Christ called me when I wanted nothing to do with Him. But this whole system that Silva is basing his post on is Christless and loveless. The God he is portraying is not the one we see in the New Testament. The One who picks up the diseased and abandoned.

    • Thanks Cal…

      I’m all about grace alone and I know Christ called me when I wanted nothing to do with Him.

      Amen, same here. And isn’t that the whole point, that He loved us BEFORE we even knew Him? Praise God He did, or I’d still be sitting in the dark!

  5. I would agree also that it is likely calvinistic doctrine that would inspire a comment like that. You know the “Jacob have I loved and Esau have I hated” stuff. That’s why Westboro Baptist goes around with those signs saying God hates you. It would be funny if it wasn’t so blasphemous. Jesus said go preach the gospel to the whole creation. “God Hates You” doesn’t sound like good news to me.

    I have been reading a book based on the writings of the early church, the church period between the years 99AD and 199AD. The author makes a comparison between the similarity of certain gnostic beliefs that were labeled heretical back then and some of the theology of our day.

    “There was a religious group, labeled as heretics by the early Christians, who strongly disputed the church’s stance on salvation and works. Instead, they taught that man is totally depraved. That we are saved solely by grace. That works play no role in our salvation. And that we cannot lose our salvation once we obtain it. I know what you’re thinking: This group of “heretics” were the real Christians and the “orthodox” Christians were really heretics. But such a conclusion is impossible. I say it’s impossible because the group I’m referring to are the Gnostics. The Greek word gnosis means knowledge, and the Gnostics claimed that God had revealed special knowledge to them that the main body of Christians did not have.

    Bercot, David (2011-11-06). Will the Real Heretics Please Stand Up

    Calvinism and reformed theology bear some striking resemblances to the gnosticism of early times as this author represents it.

  6. Just as a clarifying comment: when I said “The reason we preach to all…” is a paraphrase of hyper-calvinism, not what we learn in the NT that God desires all to come to a saving knowledge of the truth,

    Right on and amen PJ!!

  7. thought i would add my 2cents…

    i always have a problem wit th whole ‘uncondional’ part of that statement…th love of God is in Christ Jesus…thas a big condition…th love of God is shed abroad in our hearts by Christ Jesus…theres no other love and no way to have th love of God outside of Christ…

    i think when ppl say that God’s love is unconditional, they talkin about how we cant earn it or boast in ourself in it…we tend to understand God’s love in th way ppl ‘love’ which isnt love at all (if its apart from Christ) but of the flesh that moves by its own ambitions…

    God so loved th world…that word ‘so’ …it means in this fashion…in other words, this is HOW God loved th world, NOT HOW MUCH He loved th world…by sending His Only Begotten Son….its not a statement of quantity…God IS love..He isnt more or less God toward anyone…He IS love so its not a love that is measured out in quantities…He dont love one more than another, He loves…and if He shows His love to anyone…its Christ they see bc Jesus Christ IS the love of God…

    as to th whole God loved jacob and hated esau…i will say this…it is a statement of choice, not th emotional (and actions which come as a consequence) stuff ppl are used to…God hated esau but notice esau prospered in his life, had wifes, kids, land, wealth, etc, in fact everythin jacob had , esau had and theres no evidence that God set out to hinder him, crush him or make him an object of ‘hate’ by singling him out fa poverty and humiliation…i say this bc that would be a consequence of ppl’s hatred…

    God chose (loved) jacob–th least of the two, th one who by virtue of his very lack — his empty places — th Lord’s work and light could shine brighter…here is a God who loves — actually loves, beyond words and sentiment — those who dont deserve His love…and He is who He is toward us…He is love toward us…instead of justice, the Just One renders mercy…

    as to th whole calvin arminius debate and name calling tht seems to go on and on in the net over this…i dont have to follow either of them…i find election, predestination, choosing, justice, mercy, etc from genesis to revelation…and every man who has dared to call hisself or be called some father of christianity or orthodoxy or whatever they wanna be called, will always be exposed as a fraud and lacking…we have one Father that is God, we have one teacher, that is Christ, and if anyone wanna quote ppl, theres always paul…course, he was speakin by th Spirit of God…

    -g-

  8. and one more thang…those who perpetrate th lie that God hated esau so we can hate also, have not known Christ…th love of th world is actually hate…those who love th world (insist on it bein run according to their own minds and desires, and seek to conquer everyone else) and the things of this world (politics, money, beauty, fame, whatever th world loves and seeks after) are enemies of God theyself…

    to say that God hates whatever it is that ppl decide God hates (once upon a time it was african americans that white christians were convinced God hated), isnt anywhere near to Christ…we are to love those who hate us, pray fa those who despitefully use us, bless those who curse us, etc…

    and such decrees are always made by ppl who wanna rule and conquer others instead of die to self; the religion of christianity is nothin like Christ–He didnt come to bring a religion…i mean…its not possble to be dead, and Christ live, so that He speak and He move and He pour outta these earthen vessels, and then be alive enough to make laws and rule over others according to the adamic nature (which seeks to rule)…

    its the big problem wit ‘christian’ politicians…on the one hand they wanna live loud enough to rule (as Christ, like th pope), which isnt possible at all…

    true believers are dying daily, pick up our cross, and follow Christ…who by th way isnt seekin office in any country…and certainly not in america…true believers are bein called outta th world and we know we are in a strange land and live as strangers in that land, but as sons and citizens of heaven…

    anyone who appropriates scripture, which testifies of Christ, as a means to control anyone else is operatin in the flesh…i mean…look at the cross…here are men decide what justice should look like…and then they missed th Just One they pierced…men will always prefer the instrument of death…its morality and boasts of their flesh that they wanna call good–its all of man’s law–the man-idol nebuchadnezzar saw and built…

    but we who are in Christ, remember Christ…worthy is th lamb who was slain…He who laid down His life and no man took it fro Him…we have this testimony…God gave us eternal life and this life is in His Son…

    let the dead bury the dead, but we who are born of th Spirit find our life–and rest– in Christ…

    -g-

    • to say that God hates whatever it is that ppl decide God hates (once upon a time it was african americans that white christians were convinced God hated), isnt anywhere near to Christ…we are to love those who hate us, pray fa those who despitefully use us, bless those who curse us, etc…

      and such decrees are always made by ppl who wanna rule and conquer others instead of die to self;

      Excellent point…amen!

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