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Redemption -What Does it Really Mean?


Excellent post today by Rick Frueh

Oh the blindness of the church which has become so American it cannot understand just how blind we all have become. The issue they share about having a gay son or daughter while being a professing believer is an extremely complex one. Not as to what God’s Word teaches, but as to how we should react and how the gospel itself applies itself to that situation. The western church is filled with all kinds of sin and hedonistic practices. In fact it is a microcosm of the fallen culture which includes self affirmation, self pleasure, self actualization, profound hedonism, and even heterosexual adultery both in practice and in the mind.

Thursday the 4th of July was revered and celebrated as believers by the literal millions show their love and allegiance to what God hates. Most call it patriotism but God calls it idolatry. That is one well spring of all kinds of elicit attractions that may not be sexual but are every bit as diabolical and sinful. And that is the foundation of my ongoing journey to seek Christ in all His ways and fullness without presenting a Christ who is at odds with His own words. And it also identifies my supposition that the gay issue is an ongoing deception that lends affirmation to a heterosexual community of faith which continues to live as if God was a capitalist American but decidedly not gay.

I was moved by this couple’s story (*video at website). But the obvious unspoken answer to their family dilemma was that their love for their son has somehow become the exegetical prism through which they see and know God. And although I abhor the ranting and chanting evangelical hordes which demand condemnation and even legislation to flex their doctrinal muscles abut same sex attractions, I cannot reconcile a condoning of behavior which embraces and manifests those attractions. I do not have all the answers.

But one thing I do know for a metaphysical certainty. If the Starbucks and the snowboarding and the expensive vacation crowd can claim to be following Jesus, and if that same crowd can be saved by grace through faith alone, then so can a gay believer who is blind to his sin. Seeing an expansive view of Christ’s redemption in that way does not condone sin. God forbid. But it covers sin through His shed blood. And perhaps the greatest sin of all and which results in all kinds of viciousness is the sin of self righteousness….

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Rick admits to not having all the answers, and frankly, I’m in the same boat. I hope you will follow the link and read this message…not only the message but the comments left under it. One commenter in particular posted a wonderful word from Puritan Richard Sibbes’, The Bruised Reed and Smoking Flax.

4 comments on “Redemption -What Does it Really Mean?

  1. VERY well put! It is just amazing that in most of the church these days, when people come in with their sinful lifestyles we are admonished NOT TO JUDGE (except if that sinful lifestyle involves homosexuality or abortion). There is definitely something wrong with this picture. In some cases we say that God is working in their lives and we should “leave them alone”. In other cases “this cannot be tolerated in the church!”. We are awash in selective morality. Christ had compassion on all sorts of sinners which the Pharisees considered scandalous. Modern day Pharisees seem to be everywhere and they can always parrot a line about way homosexuality and abortion are “exceptions” when it comes to the vast landscape of human sin. And then there are the sins that are not only tolerated but are downright encouraged. Things like gluttony and even divorce. The is hardly a mention of scriptures regarding those sins. They are given the silent treatment. When was the last time you heard of a pastor requesting prayer that an unnamed family would be delivered from an impending divorce? When was the last time you heard a request for prayer that someone unnamed would be delivered from gluttony? (If such a thing were to occur, in many cases people would be stomping out of the church in anger!) And yet people commonly pray for others to be delivered from things like drinking alcoholic beverages when it is drunkenness that is condemned in scripture, not the drinking of wine or even beer in and of itself. The scripture does not read “do not drink wine” but rather very clearly “be not drunk with wine”. (Just for the record, I myself don’t touch wine or beer with the exception of communion and occasionally prepared food. I think it can easily become a problem and so I avoid it. But I have a problem with people redefining scripture to suit their personal convictions.) People worry about alcoholic beverages being a stumbling block for others, but they have no problem laying out the junk food (of the sort that NOBODY should be consuming) in front of diabetics. The church is so full of disconnects which again brings the Pharisees to mind “Ye blind guides, which strain at a gnat, and swallow a camel.” There is a complete loss of balance that has become very destructive to the work of God in bringing fallen sinners to redemption. So I am very much in agreement with every last word Rick has written here. God bless him for being bold enough to speak the religiously incorrect truth.

  2. “Thursday the 4th of July was revered and celebrated as believers by the literal millions show their love and allegiance to what God hates. Most call it patriotism but God calls it idolatry. ”

    In the old days this would have greatly offended me. It is a tough pill to swallow, which is why it is necessary to explain it. This patriotism is idolatry because it utterly replaces the Gospel. Think of the hypocrisy of the absolute hate people have towards Barack Obama, whom they accuse of being a ‘gay secret Muslim who supports Sharia law” (and I can prove that they accuse him of this), who yet give an absolute pass to someone in a religious cult with a provable history of lying. But because he is THEIR “patriotic” liar, the liar in their approved political party, they excuse it all away and compromise the Gospel to do so. In fact, not only do they excuse it, they absolutely replace the truth with an entirely new religion. A man who, under any other context, would have been judged by them as a political opportunist and power-monger, is suddenly transformed into an angel of light who “is a good man, loves God, and loves his country, unlike that commie Obama!” He is transformed into a new man, and always under the premise that he “loves his country,” and therefore must be a Christian. They do not even understand what the Gospel is about, and so suddenly you’re a Christian, or at least accepted of them, if you hate Obama or oppose gay marriage!

    The most common definition for a Christian I see today amongst political circles on the Right isn’t someone who actually believes the Gospel. It is wholly defined by their political positions. Oppose gay marriage, don’t support abortion? Welcome! Come pray in our churches. Come tell us how much you love the country, as we all glory in our American identity! What, you’re going to criticize Mormonism? Well, they live good and holy lives and love this country! Unlike you and Obama! (And I can prove that they say these things… just about every time I get into a debate about the LDS, I am given that reply! Even when politics weren’t even mentioned! Whatever happened to “for by grace are ye saved, and not of yourselves,, it is the gift of God”?)

    They do not understand how duped they are by these people, who simply dangle this appeal of works-righteousness and false patriotism before their eyes in order to gain political power. For how long have we had pro-life politicians promising to end abortion? For as long as I remember (though I am only 24), that has always been the rallying call. I remember when Rick Santorum (or Saint Rick, as I like to call him) was trumpeting his pro-life record. Legislation he crafted and signed, or voted for, which inevitably fell short or was defeated altogether, which any sane person should have known would have failed. (So what was the purpose of it, hmmm?) On his website during the election, the first item on his “Issues” page was… get this… an article he wrote about the horrors of pornography. This was followed, thereafter, with some testimonial about his love of country, and maybe something about his really large family. And maybe a photo of him in there standing behind a big banner that reads “courage,” with an explanation of just how courageous he is for opposing the God-haters on the left. Can you not see how easily it is to pimp religion, to pimp your own love of God against you for pure political power? I tend to think that if the Republican party had the chance to end of abortion, and if memory serves there was a time they had control of both the house and senate under Bush, that they would punt on the matter, since it would steal from them a political position with which to gain support from the faithful.

    It is all deception! Games! Lies upon lies! Some of them might say that they do believe Mormonism is false… but, yet, can you name one single politician or major Christian “leader” on the right who thinks so? Even Billy Graham, or at least his son, took the time to remove their “Mormonism is a religious cult” page. I even read in an interview after the election that this was done specifically because of the election, and so was no coincidence. If these are the demands of patriotism, is it really worth sticking to?

    When it comes down to it, these people need to understand that we are not of the world. In fact, the world, as blinded by the “god of this world,” is the absolute enemy of God, and is therefore OUR enemy too. Secondly, we must understand that no matter what happens, God is sovereign over all world affairs. He raises up leaders, and he puts leaders down. He brings up a nation, and he topples another. Who can say unto God, what doest thou? And as for the faithful? ” all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.” And again, “my Kingdom is not of this world.”

    If you really want to better the world you live in… if you really want to end abortion or stop gay marriage, why not try praying for our leaders as we are commanded? Why not reply to what are really spiritual problems with spiritual answers? Why not preach the Gospel as commanded? Why not rest in the knowledge that God is in control? There is no other command in scripture for anything beyond this. There is no nation under God on this Earth that has any special rights or powers with God, as if it were another Holy Nation just WAITING for you to come rescue it by electing Rick Santorum or Mitt Romney to power. I guarantee that even if Romney had won, 4 years later we’d still be a spiritually sick and lost as we were before!

    • The most common definition for a Christian I see today amongst political circles on the Right isn’t someone who actually believes the Gospel. It is wholly defined by their political positions.

      Amen Ricardo. And also this bogus definition is found in many of our Churches here in America today. I can’t say “when” this began but it appears to have firmly taken root shortly after the organization, The Moral Majority, came into being. Which we know was a “Christian” political action group. And you are 100% correct in saying,

      It is all deception! Games! Lies upon lies!

      Even back at it’s founding (1979-1980??) who would have ever believed in such a short time span (jump forward to 2012) that those same Christians who believed in and supported that group’s ideologies would be willing to compromise their faith by working to elect a Mormon President, based on their belief that Romney is a “true” Christian?

      Even Billy Graham, or at least his son, took the time to remove their “Mormonism is a religious cult” page. I even read in an interview after the election that this was done specifically because of the election, and so was no coincidence. If these are the demands of patriotism, is it really worth sticking to?

      Yes, it was his son Franklin’s decision. I lost any respect i ever had for Franklin Graham. He is nothing more then a political “voice” for the Republican party. Sadly, he is like many other well known (and once respected) Christian voices today. He has (in my eyes) damaged his testimony to such a degree that anything he says now is either mocked or ignored by many Christians and the lost. I’ve seen evidence of this at the Christian Post from comments under articles about him. Its tragic.

      If you really want to better the world you live in… if you really want to end abortion or stop gay marriage, why not try praying for our leaders as we are commanded? Why not reply to what are really spiritual problems with spiritual answers? Why not preach the Gospel as commanded? Why not rest in the knowledge that God is in control? There is no other command in scripture for anything beyond this. There is no nation under God on this Earth that has any special rights or powers with God, as if it were another Holy Nation just WAITING for you to come rescue it by electing Rick Santorum or Mitt Romney to power. I guarantee that even if Romney had won, 4 years later we’d still be a spiritually sick and lost as we were before!

      Amen, Amen!

  3. Thursday the 4th of July was revered and celebrated as believers by the literal millions show their love and allegiance to what God hates. Most call it patriotism but God calls it idolatry. That is one well spring of all kinds of elicit attractions that may not be sexual but are every bit as diabolical and sinful. And that is the foundation of my ongoing journey to seek Christ in all His ways and fullness without presenting a Christ who is at odds with His own words. And it also identifies my supposition that the gay issue is an ongoing deception that lends affirmation to a heterosexual community of faith which continues to live as if God was a capitalist American but decidedly not gay.

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