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Beck speech at John Hagee’s recent Washington D.C. CUFI conference


You know, what really floors me today isn’t that there are Glenn Becks out there, it’s the fact that those who listen to him and other similar voices, don’t care one iota if what they’re hearing is true or not. Guess what I’m really saying is few care about truth anymore. Is it like (as one author puts it) “The three monkeys: see no evil- hear no evil- speak no evil….we make believe that we do not see nor hear what is taking place and so we say nothing about it”, or is it simply a symptom of loving to have our ears tickled and hatred for the truth?

As far as Beck (a Mormon) being a guest speaker…well frankly I could care less. Christians United for Israel (and it’s leader John Hagee) are not even remotely related to biblical Christianity anyway, it’s just a political action group which masquerades as “Christian”.

Last night, Glenn Beck traveled to Washington, DC to address John Hagee’s annual Christians United for Israel conference….

During his speech, Beck boldly declared that the United States was “established for the establishment of Israel,” meaning that the United States was established by God specifically for the purpose of re-establishing the nation of Israel. And, as proof that our Founding Fathers were well aware of this, Beck pointed out that even our dollar bill contains a Star of David, as well as representations of the cloud and fire that led the Israelites while they wandered in the desert. It’s not true, of course, (See: The Great Seal, Remarks and Explanation by Charles Thomson – June 20, 1782) but that is what happens when you get your history from people like David Barton. (source)

 

10 comments on “Beck speech at John Hagee’s recent Washington D.C. CUFI conference

  1. There’s sort of a sick humor in all this. Beck is a Fascist, and I’m not saying that as a polemic. While Fascism has no real solid definition, most of it is rooted an aesthetic of a sacred history which usually gets wrapped up around one or a few men. So things like a glorified history, a holy destiny, and a triumph towards a new future are all par for the course.

    Of course they use the language of triumphalist christendom! It’s that theology of glory element that abominates the Prince who wears a crown of thorns. The joke in the American version is that it is so cheezy and plastic. Wagner, a forerunner for the Nazis, was amazing music. It captured the epic of a German people who were destined to ascend besides the gods and help govern the cosmos. What does America have? Toby Keith?

    Fascism only works when a powerful aesthetic element is in play, to woo people. I understand it. Who doesn’t feel in awe before the neo-classical architecture in Washington DC, which was all built under a similar fascistic ethos. There’s nothing of that and it won’t win out, thankfully, in the murder-stasi empire we already live in.

    As for David Barton:

    When I was younger, I was intrigued by him, but he’s a complete hack. I watched him on 4th of July, where all the christian broadcasting networks played a non-stop nauseating amount of patriotic cheese. Anyway, he’s like a carney. He talks so fast, it’s hard to keep up with what he’s saying. If you do grab hold for a second, you realize that how he defines christianity is only skin deep. A lot of the Founders envisioned something more akin to John Quincy Adams who asked:

    “Is it not that the Declaration of Independence first organized the social compact on the foundation of the Redeemer’s mission upon earth?”

    The Bible was the tool of civilization. That’s why Jefferson, a professed Epicurean, excised the “supernatural” because it was useless in the American project. Barton is right in the most superficial sense. But to any serious scholar of the era, he’s just quack.

    Funny enough, he never mentions that Benjamin Rush, the only founder who had any sort of real compassion, argued that there should be a Department of Peace so the American republic never ought to go to war. Thus the blood of Indians, Latin Americans, Phillipinos etc etc. cries out for justice. Such is Barton’s glorious history and the great vision of the Founders and their wayward offspring.

    Cal

    • What does America have? Toby Keith?

      Ahahaha!! Forgive me cal, but that had me laughing outloud🙂

  2. Ha!

    Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest you be like him yourself. Answer a fool according to his folly, lest he be wise in his own eyes. (Proverbs 26:4, 5 ESV)

    I would be surprised if the acclamation you hear in the background as Beck said that was from any knowledgeable Jew?

    Most Jews if not all of them are studied in the Torah which Moses wrote writing this little tidbit of truth about the nations of the world:

    Do you thus repay the Lord, you foolish and senseless people? Is not he your father, who created you, who made you and established you? Remember the days of old; consider the years of many generations; ask your father, and he will show you, your elders, and they will tell you. When the Most High gave to the nations their inheritance, when he divided mankind, he fixed the borders of the peoples according to the number of the sons of God. But the Lord ’s portion is his people, Jacob his allotted heritage. (Deuteronomy 32:6-9 ESV)

    How can what Beck said mean dittilly squat to a Jew seeing Jews believe they’re the sons of God being referenced there in Deuteronomy 32?

    I suppose it’s safe to say the acclamations heard in the video clip were from the ignorant gathered in the room showing audibly the foolishness of both Beck and them!

  3. Beck is obviously pandering to the crowd, since I was under the impression that the Mormons still believed that Missouri would be the site where New Jerusalem would be built by industrious Mormons. This is actually one of Smith’s many failed prophecies, as he predicted that it would happen “in this generation” (the one he was speaking to), which had the LDS even into the early 20th century still waiting for their chance to come miraculously. Like the Jehovah’s Witnesses though, they just move on quietly when it fails to come to pass.

    Presumably even the Founding Fathers would be aware of this, since from the Mormon point of view they were all just Mormons-in-waiting, whose ghosts supposedly appeared to Wilford Woodruff in a LDS Temple, asking for him to get baptized in proxy for them.

    “I am going to bear my testimony to this assembly, if I never do it again in my life, that those men who laid the foundation of this American Government and signed the Declaration of Independence were the best spirits the God of Heaven could find on the face of the earth. They were choice spirits, not wicked men. George Washington and all the men that labored for the purpose were inspired of the Lord. Another thing I am going to say here, because I have a right to say it. Every one of those men that signed the Declaration of Independence with General Washington called upon me, as an Apostle of the Lord Jesus Christ, in the Temple at St. George two consecutive nights, and demanded at my hands that I should go forth and attend to the ordinances of the house of God for them. Men are here, I believe, that know of this—Brothers J. D. T. McAllister, David H. Cannon and James C. Bleak. Brother McAllister baptized me for all these men, and I then told these brethren that it was their duty to go into the Temple and labor until they got endowments for all of them. They did it. Would those spirits have called upon me, as an Elder in Israel, to perform that work if they had not been noble spirits before God? They would not. I bear this testimony because it is true. The spirit of God bore record to myself and the brethren while we were laboring in that way (Lundwall, 1947, p. 87).

    http://emp.byui.edu/SatterfieldB/Rel%20261/261text.pdf

    Beck must know where the money is and thinks he can get in good with American Evangelicalism by speaking the same language.

  4. This is interesting…WretchedTV looks at a few quotes from Beck’s recent book, which this guy says shows Beck is a “new-age-universalist mormon”…aha..whatever that is.

    • I remember reading in a book, though the author had lots of extreme claims (so not totally credible), that a Satanist allegedly told him that “Mormonism was made by witches for witches.” That’s probably an exaggeration, though a former Mormon once told me how there is a “magical undercurrent” in Mormonism, due to their beliefs about being “gods-in-embyro,” along with many of their practices and traditions. I was told that many Mormons are naturally attracted, then, to new agey beliefs. Smith himself used “seer stones,” an occult method, with which to swindle people out of their money; and later combined many elements of Free Masonry, which uses imagry and elements from the occult in its rituals, into Mormon temple rituals.

      As for universalism, Mormonism is indeed Universalist, when all is said and done. While I don’t know if this is true for apostates, in general the vast majority of mankind will find themselves in the “lower levels” of heaven.

      “In the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, there is no hell. All will find a measure of salvation; all must pay for any infringement of the law; but the payment will be as the Lord may decide” (Joseph Smith, Seeker After Truth, p. 178).

      Even the worst of sinners who go to “outer darkness” will eventually get out and go to a lower heaven:

      “Those who are unfaithful, those who will listen to Satan, who will lend a willing ear to his blandishments and to his allurements, when they go from this state of existence, they go into a condition where they are subject to his power. They will dwell in darkness, and according to their sins their punishment will be. Some will be consigned to ‘outer darkness,’ where there is weeping and wailing and gnashing of teeth; and they will remain in that condition until they will be visited by some servant of God to unlock the prison doors to them and to preach to them again the Gospel of salvation, through repentance and faith in the Lord Jesus Christ…They will remain in that condition, according to the enormity of their offenses, until punishment will be meted out to them sufficiently to bring them to a condition that they will receive the Gospel of salvation. That Gospel which is taught to us will be taught to them, and they will have an opportunity of obeying it in their damned condition and through repentance will receive salvation” (Gospel Truth 1:78-79).

      Though they also describe these lower heavens as a kind of “hell,” only in the sense that they will be eternally envying the Mormons who dwell in the highest heaven (the Celestial Kingdom) who have the right to have families and to become gods. Those in the lower heavens are separated from their families. Jesus, furthermore, merely visits the people in the lower heavens, though he dwells with the Mormons in the highest heaven.

      “This earth will become a celestial kingdom when it is sanctified. Those who enter the terrestrial kingdom will have to go to some other sphere which will be prepared for them. Those who enter the telestial kingdom, likewise will have to go to some earth which is prepared for them, and there will be another place which is hell where the devil and those who are punished to go with him will dwell. Of course, those who enter the telestial kingdom, and those who enter the terrestrial kingdom will have the eternal punishment which will come to them in knowing that they might, if they had kept the commandments of the Lord, have returned to his presence as his sons and his daughters. This will be a torment to them, and in that sense it will be hell.” (Answers to Gospel Questions, v. 2, p. 210)

      In a debate, a Mormon told me that I disagree “with [my] own scholars” about the existence of hell and the damnation of nonbelievers. And this scholar he had in mind, apparently, was Rob Bell, which was quite silly. He then told me, essentially, that I also would go to heaven, despite not being a Mormon, as would everybody else. Though he would not tell me, even when confronted with it, about going to a lower heaven, where I would eternally be regretting not being a Mormon in life. When confronted with the facts, he would only say that I would get “what I asked for.” So instead of warning me, he approached me by attempting to keep me in ignorance just to create a favorable image about Mormonism. Though, since I am a Christian, a “Universalist” religion really did not please me.

      There are nuances here, but in the end this is Universalism, and to say “universalist-mormon” is basically to repeat the same thing twice. In fact, “new agey-universalist-mormon” might be saying the same thing thrice.

    • Mormon doctrines are indeed strange Ricardo. The first time i became aware of just how strange was as a teenager.

      My parents had taken a vacation that year with another couple…long-time friends of theirs. They drove from Cincinnati, cross country to California, stopping at various famous landmarks along the way. One of these landmarks was the Mormon Tabernacle in Utah. When they returned i noticed, among all their souvenirs of the trip, the book of Mormon, or i guess it was a Mormon bible?. My mom told me to toss it out, saying every visitor was automatically given one and she had actually forgotten they had it. Being curious (i was only 14-15) i took it to my room and read portions of it that afternoon before tossing it away.

      Among many of the strange things i read in that book, i’ll always remember how shocked i was to read they referred to Lucifer as the “brother” of Jesus and went into all this strange history between the two. I had not come to know Jesus yet, at that time, but i knew enough to know that was a lie! And then there was the stuff about the “gold plates” etc…

      The book (the portions i read) sounded like a fairytale. Come to think about it now, it did sound like what we’ve come to call, “new age” stuff.

  5. People like Beck and Hannity and others have become millionaires being super patriots. There is an irony in all of it.

  6. So … it looks like the Mormons have picked up where the Moonies left off. The Moonies tried to play the super patriot card back in the day. Remember? They tried to hijack the Republican Party as well and pumped some really big money into the project. But they couldn’t win over the evangelicals. Who would have guessed that the Mormons would have had so much success at that? Who would have guessed that the very people who were demonizing Mormon theology one minute would be so falling in love with their “morality” the next minute to the point of giving them a pass on their theology even? Isn’t this one of the most bizarre scenarios we have ever seen in the history of the church? Apostate wolves of all stripes and flavors joined by deceived Christians no longer able to discern between the Gospel and pseudo religious/pseudo patriotic marketing.

    • Isn’t this one of the most bizarre scenarios we have ever seen in the history of the church?

      George, it’s sure the most bizarre in my lifetime!

      I have no clue whatsoever what this visible entity in America today is, which calls itself the “Church”. The only thing I do know is its not the living, breathing, organism that this old girl was placed into on that morning in 1980.

      It has become,

      “….the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird”

      And its high time we hearken to the warning/command to,

      “Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues. For her sins have reached unto heaven, and God hath remembered her iniquities”

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