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Massachusetts Evangelical Pastor Goes On Trial For Crimes Against Humanity


Scott Lively goes on trial for his alleged role in aiding Ugandan officials in the persecution and slaughter of LGBT people:

The lawsuit was filed by the Center for Constitutional Rights (CCR) on behalf of Sexual Minorities of Uganda in 2012.

“We are gratified that the court recognized the persecution and the gravity of the danger faced by our clients as a result of Scott Lively’s actions,” CCR Attorney Pam Spees said. “Lively’s single-minded campaign has worked to criminalize their very existence, strip away their fundamental rights and threaten their physical safety.” …

Lively attended an anti-gay conference entitled “Seminar on Exposing the Homosexual Agenda” in 2009 in which he accused gays and lesbians of having genocidal tendencies. His lecture lead to the introduction of the bill, the lawsuit claimed. Ugandan organizers of the 2009 conference admitted they helped draft the bill and Lively himself admitted to meeting with lawmakers to discuss it. Lively has denied that he conspired with government officials or religious leaders in Uganda to craft specifics of the legislation.

He has said the lawsuit against him “boils down to nothing more than an attempt to define my Biblical views against homosexuality as a crime.”

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Scott Lively (list of news items)

17 comments on “Massachusetts Evangelical Pastor Goes On Trial For Crimes Against Humanity

  1. Wow! This kind of hatred by a “Christian” makes my blood run cold. I thought it was bad enough Ugandan “Christians” think this is what God wants. I guess I shouldn’t be surprised?

  2. In some circles you could take Jesus out of their theology and as long as there are gay people they would still have a cause.

  3. This is hardly Christianity, This is actually politics attempting to use Christianity to gain a cloak of morality. Politically, it is a very convenient selective attack on homosexuals. If one wants to seriously discuss dealing with immorality on a political and legal level, we could easily lock up half the population, including a boatload of Christians and still not eliminate the problem. But the unhealthy focus/fixation on homosexuality and abortion are only distorting the real problem which is immorality and corruption on a much wider scale. Nobody wants to talk about heterosexual adultery/rape/divorce etc or about ridiculous economic injustices whereby people with the right connections manage to make 100 times the paycheck of those unfortunates who are born with the wrong surname. And while everybody everywhere talks about government corruption and abuse, very few seriously want to do anything substantive to correct it. It is all hypocrisy on a massive scale. Mounting a selective attack on gays and desperate women just makes people laden with their own sins feel good and somehow “spiritually justified”. This is NOT the gospel nor is it genuine morality. It is fake through and through. As a Christian, of course, I believe that homosexual behavior and abortion for the purpose of birth control are sins. But political and legal action are not going to solve them, only the blood of Christ can do that. And of course the same is true of heterosexual and economic sins which are epidemic in our world today. The entire western world is so entangled with gluttony and most Christians don’t even dare uttering the term, much less suggest political/legal solutions. But of course, in this case as well, the ultimate solution is only found in the blood of Christ and the mercy of God. What else can one say? Let him who is without sin cast the first stone!

  4. You guys don’t get it. A foreign organization using an American proxy group has been allowed to file a lawsuit against an American citizens for allegedly violating international law. Nothing that Mr. Lively has said or done has violated US law. His views may be reprehensible but in the US he has the right to hold and express those views. The court is essentially ruling that international law takes precedence over US law. If this is allowed to move forward we are all in danger of being silenced on any number of issues.

    • Steve, i wasn’t really looking at the article in a legal sense or as it necessarily pertains to the lawsuit, but more as to how Lively’s personal involvement in Uganda’s politics reflected upon Christianity. In particular, how his 2009 anti-gay speech before the Ugandan Parliament, which many considered inflammatory and which, as a result is now being claimed to have led to violence, depicts Christianity and/or American Christians.

      The lawsuit claims (rightly or wrongly) that

      “Lively’s 2009 work in Uganda and his call to arms to fight against an ‘evil’ and ‘genocidal,’ ‘pedophilic’ ‘gay movement’…ignited a cultural panic and atmosphere of terror that radically intensified the climate of hatred in which Lively’s goals of persecution could advance.”

      The article also interested me personally because i had followed and posted stories some years back in which other evangelical dominionist leaders (many were members of the NAR) had been making frequent trips to Uganda…some of those stories had come from Uganda’s Kato Mivule’s website, African Christian Perspectives. A few can be found here

      Lively is a self proclaimed social activist,

      “From the very beginning, my faith involved social activism,” Lively says. That activism would eventually take him on 40 trips abroad, where he would lecture on the “global gay agenda” – an allegedly sophisticated campaign to liberalize sexual norms. On his 2009 trip to Kampala, Uganda, he told a conference crowd, “I know more about this than almost anyone in the world.”

      As a younger man, long before he went to Uganda, Lively said he had thought “live and let live about gays.” But after coming to Christ, he began to see social issues “from God’s perspective.” Lively’s faith began to fuel the fire of his activism. In 1992, he became involved in Oregon’s Ballot Measure 9, which would have amended the Oregon Constitution to summarily recognize “homosexuality, pedophilia, sadism and masochism as abnormal, wrong, unnatural and perverse.” (Read the full text of the measure here.)

      Voters denied Lively and his colleagues a victory, but only after an ugly political battle ensued. It made a lasting impression on him.

      “I think the Lord opened my eyes to things most people have never seen,” he says. “I’ve never seen any opposing campaign that was as dishonest and vicious [as the No on 9 Campaign]. I mean every political dirty trick you could think of. It was like the gates of hell kicked open and all the demons came pouring out, and that was all manifested in the form of a political campaign.”

      But from the award-winning documentary “Ballot Measure 9″ gives a different account.

      Defeats like this would eventually lead Lively, and other American evangelicals, to pursue their strategy in countries friendlier to their agenda. In Uganda, for example, they would find influential pastors and politicians already stirring up anti-gay sentiment. But first, Lively formulated a set of beliefs based on his “personal observations” that became the core of his activism….

      From Latitude News

    • “in the US he has the right to hold and express those views.”

      That is true. What he did would not be illegal in the US. Unfortunately for Mr Lively, he did these things OUTSIDE of the US and thus has little if any defense against foreign litigation.

      This reflects yet another problem that Americans seem to have. They often think they own and rule the world and that they can do and undo on foreign soil and then return home to the protection afforded by the US constitution. That is just not true anymore, nor should it be. When foreigners come here, we expect them to be accountable to the US legal system. The reverse is also true. What he chose to undertake in Uganda will eventually come back to his doorstep. We cannot export US law to foreign soil anymore than Islamists can export Sharia to US soil.

    • We cannot export US law to foreign soil anymore than Islamists can export Sharia to US soil.

      Amen

  5. The issue is not that he broke the secular law. It’s that he calls himself a believer and a pastor at that.

  6. What’s wrong with what Lively did?

    Of the things mentioned I’ll share one more:

    But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, self-control; against such things there is no law. (Galatians 5:22, 23 ESV)

    See that?

    AGAINST SUCH THINGS THERE IS NO LAW.

    No one has been able to convince me the Fruit of the Spirit only works in Christian governed nations!

    Years ago my ministry took off sending thousands of Jesus freaks into the world! Yes at the height of this ministry our membership was approaching 30,000 plus members many sold out Spirit filled fruit producing no nonsense True godly believers. In those early days, the 1970’s, our Pastor, Jim Durkin reminded us that when we go out go out carrying the Gospel of the Kingdom, not a political agenda! God opened countries up to us at the highest levels of government when He wants. I personally have been to the offices of Presidents in their country and sat with their Ministers. Have sat with several kings too and or with members of their kingdoms. The focus, from my point of view, not theirs, was always the Kingdom of Heaven on earth AS IT IS IN HEAVEN!

    Last I checked God’s Spirit still brings Faith, Hope and Love in power to the poor and downtrodden of every stripe sinner including those of homosexual lifestyles.

    Our business is other worldly. It is Kingdom business. If the reports are in fact correctly conveyed about Lively’s influence in Uganda, it is my view, he went beyond the work of the Gospel of the Kingdom stepping into an area the Holy Spirit does not go when bringing this Gospel of the Kingdom to bear on a nation. Does He open doors to influence and power? Yes but to express God’s favor and freedom from sin not condemnation of it.

    For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him. Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only Son of God. (John 3:17, 18 ESV)

    I met with one of the exiled kings of Uganda in Washington D.C. a few years ago and his agenda was money, money and more money. He was only interested in connections I might bring to the table not the Peace of the Kingdom!

    The place the Spirit of Grace and Truth has in Uganda is the same place He has in every other country and that place is a sinner’s heart. Love bears all things and endures with a fallen soul. And as the Scripture says there is no law against the Spirit’s work in the heart of sinners!

    Here is an international prayer we can quietly pray in secret where Our Heavenly Father hears. Lively, if he wants to see judgment come to Uganda, might learn to pray it too:

    Let the heavens be glad, and let the earth rejoice, and let them say among the nations, “The Lord reigns!” Let the sea roar, and all that fills it; let the field exult, and everything in it! Then shall the trees of the forest sing for joy before the Lord, for he comes to judge the earth. Oh give thanks to the Lord, for he is good; for his steadfast love endures forever! (1 Chronicles 16:31-34 ESV)

    • If the reports are in fact correctly conveyed about Lively’s influence in Uganda, it is my view, he went beyond the work of the Gospel of the Kingdom stepping into an area the Holy Spirit does not go when bringing this Gospel of the Kingdom to bear on a nation. Does He open doors to influence and power? Yes but to express God’s favor and freedom from sin not condemnation of it.

      Yes, that is my opinion also Michael.

      What he has done in Uganda (and elsewhere) with his anti-gay activism has not and does not lift up Christ, nor does it proclaim or add to, the kingdom of God.

  7. “We cannot export US law to foreign soil anymore than Islamists can export Sharia to US soil.”

    I agree but this group is trying to import international law to the US. If Mr Lively allegedly committed a crime outside the US then the proper course of action would be for the government of Uganda to seek his extradition to face charges in that country. That is not what is happening here. The government of Uganda is not seeking his extradition. He is not even being charged with breaking the law in Uganda, He is being charged and tried here in the US on charges of breaking international law. If international law is allowed to trump US law then none of us are safe.

    • Steve, It is in fact a lawsuit in a US federal court, a civil case. The suit has absolutely zero to do with what Mr Lively BELIEVES. It has everything to do with what he DID in Uganda. There never have been any real limitations as to what one can file a civil suit over. You can file a civil suit over just about any issue. The major point is that he is being sued over the actions he took in Uganda. If he had gone to Uganda to preach the gospel, he wouldn’t be having to deal with this lawsuit. But engaging in politics has its risks, both here and abroad. He is experiencing that now and he is whining about religious persecution (its because of what I believe). Nonsense.

  8. Scott Lively speaking In Uganda;

    Referring to homosexuals as “mass murderers” animalistic, men that want to hurt other people, serial killers, etc etc…

    Wonder how many homosexuals Lively brought to Christ during this trip? My guess would be ZERO. Wonder how many Ugandans listening, who believed Lively was an “expert” on the topic (as he claimed) were incited to fear, hate, or violence against homosexuals after hearing him speak? And remember, this was during the time when “kill the gays” legislation was being considered in Uganda.

  9. Mr Lively is just one more “Christian” who believes that being a Christian REQUIRES one to be a political activist. That is NOT what Jesus or the apostles taught. It is EXACTLY what the Pharisees believed and practiced. They were VERY politically involved. Jesus, on the other hand, insisted that His Kingdom is NOT of this world. Jesus faced persecution and went to the cross innocently for OUR sins. This is not the case with those who try to use a religious cover to meddle in politics. They bring persecution on themselves by their own efforts to build an apostate kingdom on this earth pretending to be the kingdom of Jesus.

    • They bring persecution on themselves by their own efforts to build an apostate kingdom on this earth pretending to be the kingdom of Jesus.

      Amen. They cannot seem to understand the difference between doing things by the “arm of the flesh” and relying upon the Spirit of God George. That lack of understanding has been what has promoted this wrong idea that man is capable of building his own kingdom on earth, by his own works.

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