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Are the Israelis trying to drag us into World War III?


OK, I’m ignorant when it comes to many things, but am especially so concerning military terms, etc. Tonight I’ve come across a number of news articles around the internet referencing something called “false-flag” in reference to Israel and Syria.

Can someone tell me what the term “false-flag?”means? Is that a military term or something else?

Came upon the latest at PressTV.

Are the Israelis trying to drag us into World War III?

That is the question being asked by the “patriotic” segments of the US military and intelligence communities – and other military and intelligence communities worldwide.

The Israelis inadvertently revealed their probable complicity in the false-flag chemical attack in Syria by immediately claiming to know who did it. Ever since the Syrian chemical attack story broke, the Israelis have been screaming that Assad crossed Obama’s “red line” and demanding US intervention.

Another one was posted at Haaretz: Former Bush administration official: Israel may be behind use of chemical arms in Syria:Lawrence Wilkerson, former chief of staff to Secretary of State Colin Powell, says Israel may have conducted ‘false flag’ operation.

“IF” it means what I think it does, are we being dragged into WWIII?

26 comments on “Are the Israelis trying to drag us into World War III?

  1. The short answer is of course the Israeli’s are trying to drag us into war. They’ve been trying to get us to fight their battles for years.

    But the fact that they would use this event for their own purposes doesn’t mean they are responsible for it. In this case it is hard to know who is responsible. I’ve seen stories that claim:

    1. Assad did it – the least likely scenario if you ask me
    2. the CIA did it
    3. the Syrian rebels did it on purpose to gain our support
    4. the Syrian rebels did it accidentally – this was reported by an AP reporter who claims the Saudi’s are supplying funding and chemical weapons to an Al-Qeada group in Syria. A rebel group was being used to facilitate the transfer but was untrained in the handling of these weapons. An accidental explosion released sarin gas and now everyone is scrambling to use the result for their own purposes all of which entail dragging us into the conflict.

    • Thank you Steve.

      The numerous news articles do give that impression…if true, why would they want to start such a war? Guess what im wondering is what would they hope to gain from it.

      The comments by the former Bush administration official are certainly strong accusations against the Israeli government. I cannot see him making such strong accusations except for honestly believing it to be true.

      There’s some serious manipulating going on.

      Like or dislike our current president, we need to be praying for him to see things clearly concerning this entire mess, before jumping into it. Whoever was/is behind this massacre- many of the dead, little innocent babies, should be held accountable. Sadly, that will not bring them back.

      Assad did it – the least likely scenario if you ask me

      From my limited knowledge, i’d have to agree. Evil he may be but i never read any article where anyone thought he was stupid.

  2. Of course Assad is killing and probably gassing his own people. And the Israelis in partnership with millions of evangelicals are waiting for a chance to bomb Assad. That is their kingdom not ours.

    • Amen.

      Been rereading ‘Christian America and the Kingdom of God’ by Richard Hughes, this week. Its a great book (imo) because he takes the time to point out, scripture by scripture, the stark differences between God’s Kingdom and the kingdom’s of this world.

  3. A false flag attack is one that appears to have been carried out by party A, but was actually carried out by party B. The flag of the attacking party is a false one.

    The concept is very popular with conspiracy theorists – eg suggesting 9/11 was done by the US (but made to appear as an al-quaeda atrack) to justify invading Afghanistan, that sort of thing. I regard them all as basically wild speculation. Press TV is Iranian and highly biased against Israel.

    • A false flag attack is one that appears to have been carried out by party A, but was actually carried out by party B.

      Hey, thanks sidefall…i had a hunch from the contents of all the news items i’d read it was something along those lines, but wanted to be sure.

      Military “speak” is foreign to me🙂

  4. In my personal opinion, though I cannot prove it, most of this is inspired by Russia and its agents in the west, or at least people influenced by such agents, who are doing the best they can, under Moscow’s secret bidding, to influence public opinion so as to keep Assad from being toppled. It’s just too convenient and the uproar too universal from both left and right sources. It’s too sudden and, in many ways, irrational, and coinciding with the same kind of complaints straight from Putin’s mouth as well. I’ve heard lots of comments from Putin, one after the other, which tells me that he must be very desperate to stop this from happening. If this was merely concern for peace, he would not keep yapping, and he’d probably stop killing and imprisoning his own opponents too.

    A “false flag” operation is lingo often used by Alex Jones or other such people who believe that 9/11 was a “false flag” operation committed by the United States to get into war. In other words, an attack by one party under the name of another party. It’s the narrative you see everyday in the Russian media for years, who are thoroughly under the control of the Kremlin. Incidentally, “false flag” operations are also a part of known Russian military strategy as revealed by defectors like Victor Suvorov (I think that’s his pen name though) going back years and years. I consider it projection on their part.

    Right now it seems everyone is getting blamed for it except Assad himself. Occasionally I try to tolerate Democratic Underground (too many rabid atheists) to see what is going on, and some of them are even accusing Obama of being in on the Illuminati/New World Order trying to start war for no good reason. (The NWO stuff, by the way, is all absurd fantasy.) Over on Free Republic, they’ve come to generally the same conclusion, though with a different nuance.

    Blaming the Israelis is a new one on me though, as I haven’t seen it mentioned as of yet or what their claims are. But, I would consider all such claims to be suspect, for the same reason why I dismiss all these claims. They’re stupid and come from the standpoint that the United States is an evil country. Certainly we are not perfect, but it just seems silly to me to imagine Obama as actually a Machiavellian character who wants to conquer the world.

    I am more inclined to trust the President on this issue and their reasoning and evidence supporting their claim against Assad. I do not believe Obama is in on any conspiracy with the Jews to start WWIII, or with the Illuminati, and I do not believe WWIII would even start. I don’t think the Jews are doing anything more than reporting what their intelligence service knows. I also think, judging from Putin’s behavior, that Russia is utterly impotent to stop the United States if we chose to topple Assad. (Some of the people on conservative sites are openly saying, as if they hate the military now, that Russia’s military would make short work of the United States.) If I’m not mistaken, the claims Putin put forth originally have already been contradicted by the evidence (they blamed the rebels), and it seems now they’re pulling all the stops to get their way.

    Your average conservative these days is actually beginning to side with Putin and the insipid statements from the Russian Orthodox Church leaders. Though others are conflicted since they expect the Gog-Magog war, but are also programmed to hate Obama whom they would expect to be the agent of fulfilling their prophecy.

    In my personal opinion, we should topple Assad for the sole reason that Putin is making so much noise against it. We must be on the money about Assad’s guilt. We also must keep our word about Red-Lines that we have set. If Obama does not strike, then this sends the message to other countries that the United States can be intimidated into not keeping its word. Now, this doesn’t mean we have to occupy that country. A few well placed bombs ought to send a loud enough message without committing us too deeply with troops on the ground.

  5. Well, French intelligence is attributing it to Assad and the French are hardly known for their support of Israel. One would certainly think that Assad would be smarter than to do such a thing, but some of these world leaders are a lot more wealthy and otherwise powerful than they are wise.

    http://www.latimes.com/world/worldnow/la-fg-wn-france-evidence-syria-20130902,0,1163653.story

    • The way this world is today George, we can’t be sure of anything. Not even, in this instance, who did what. It wouldn’t surprise me to find we had a hand it this tragedy.

      Assad, it would appear, is either the stupidest man on the face of the earth, or is being blamed because the world “needs” another war.

  6. “1. Assad did it – the least likely scenario if you ask me”

    I would consider it the most likely scenario, seeing as how the intelligence community and this administration are pretty adamant that it is so, complete with information down on even what type of missile it was and where it was launched from. I think the other scenarios are merely a product of hysteria that is all too common these days, even making out Obama, who I think has a good character (so far as men are “good”), a liar and co-conspirator in these things. I also would not consider Assad stupid in this. He, after all, has the backing of Russia and China in the UN and on the world stage that will back him up even if he was juggling babies on live TV. It would be a good gamble to make, and a tempting one, considering when you have a large stockpile of chemical weapons you’ve been gathering for years, it becomes tempting to use them to crush your enemies as soon as possible.

  7. I think we have to be careful not to be too apocalyptic about all of this. It is really just one more event in the ongoing train wreck that is the Middle East. I KNOW these Islamic people. I have rubbed shoulders with them. I know how they think. And believe me, they ARE their OWN WORST PROBLEM. Their is no need for a conspiracy against them, they continue to conspire against themselves. They have had a great opportunity to move toward secular democracy and they are blowing it. What more can be done for these people. The reality is that there is ONLY ONE Islamic country that has its act together and that is Qatar. They are the ONLY Islamic country in the world where people tend to think like Westerners and where democracy has a chance. That is not to say that there are not many of the same sort of people scattered in the other Islamic countries, but they are largely in the minority. Countries like Turkey may have a chance to make democracy work in the long run. But many other Islamic countries are cultural basket cases where everything is driven by passion, not any form of intelligent design. Of course innocent Christians are caught in the midst of all of this and that is very sad. And of course there are forces in the West that do anything they can to exploit the situation for financial and/or political gain and that is also very sad. But the Middle East is the Middle East where passion is the driving force and leads people, even leaders, to do irrational things ALL THE TIME. Israel with all its faults is at least rational most of the time. So here I am.

    1) I have to agree with Steve. Of course Israel is going to use this to their advantage. Why should we expect otherwise?

    2) I agree with Rick, of course. This is not about the Heavenly Kingdom, but is a striving for an earthly kingdom. And if necessary, people will use gas, deceit, or whatever else to achieve earthly power. Why are we surprised?

    3) I agree with Anastasis, this is the kind of wild speculation associated with 9-11 conspiracy theories. Reality is something much more mundane.

    4) I agree with Ricardo. Assad is incredibly stupid and he likely sees support from Russia and China as his Ace in hole protecting him from any consequences. And the Russians are heavily committed to protecting his failing regime. I am absolutely convinced that he did it and now the whole world is trying to figure out how to use it to their advantage, surprise, surprise.

    So what should the US do in this situation? All I can say is am totally thankful that I am not in the President’s shoes. There is no solution. If you punish them, it will only make things worse. If you don’t punish them, that will make things worse. It is, after all, the Middle East. When has any president ever done anything in the Middle East that ever resolved a problem. The solution for me is only found in the Heavenly Kingdom. Come quickly Lord Jesus!!!

    • I think we have to be careful not to be too apocalyptic about all of this.

      Speaking only for myself, its not a matter of being apocalyptic but desiring the truth…for once. Not some filtered (by the media or government) story, but the truth. As Christians we should always be willing to look at situations and issues, and seek the truth of the matter. I realize not everyone is like me in that regard.

      All I can say is am totally thankful that I am not in the President’s shoes.

      Amen. I’ve often wondered why anyone would want the job of President of the United States.

  8. Think is a very interesting detailed report written by William Polk. He has written about foreign policy issues for half a century, and served in the Kennedy Administration.

    Quote,

    ‘I Do Not See What Assad Could Have Gained From This Gas Attack’

    The Atlantic: Sept. 2nd

    Many times I’ve mentioned the foreign-policy assessments of William R. Polk, at right, who first wrote for the Atlantic (about Iraq) during Dwight Eisenhower’s administration, back in 1958, and served on the State Department’s Policy Planning staff during the Kennedy years. He now has sent in a detailed analysis about Syria.

    Polk wrote this just before President Obama switched from his go-it-alone policy and decided to seek Congressional approval for a Syrian strike. It remains relevant for the choices Congress, the public, and the president have to make. It is very long, but it is systematically laid out as a series of 13 questions, with answers. If you’re in a rush, you could skip ahead to question #7, on the history and use of chemical weapons. Or #6, about the under-publicized role of drought, crop failure, and climate change in Syria’s predicament. But please consider the whole thing when you have the time to sit down for a real immersion in Congress’s upcoming decision.

    By William Polk

    Probably like you, I have spent many hours this last week trying to put together the scraps of information reported in the media on the horrible attack with chemical weapons on a suburb of Damascus on Wednesday, August 21. Despite the jump to conclusions by reporters, commentators and government officials, I find as of this writing that the events are still unclear. Worse, the bits and pieces we have been told are often out of context and usually have not been subjected either to verification or logical analysis. So I ask you to join me in thinking them through to try to get a complete picture on what has happened, is now happening and about to happen. I apologize for both the length of this analysis and its detail, but the issue is so important to all of us that it must be approached with care.

    Because, as you will see, this is germane in examining the evidence, I should tell you that during my years as a member of the Policy Planning Council, I was “cleared” for all the information the US Government had on weapons of mass destruction, including poison gas, and for what was then called “Special Intelligence,” that is, telecommunications interception and code breaking.

    Please continue here

  9. Whether or not Israel is trying to drag the USA into a conflagration in the Middle East I’d still defer to their core values, “their Scriptures”, to persuade all men otherwise:

    The Lord brings the counsel of the nations to nothing; he frustrates the plans of the peoples. The counsel of the Lord stands forever, the plans of his heart to all generations. Blessed is the nation whose God is the Lord, the people whom he has chosen as his heritage! The Lord looks down from heaven; he sees all the children of man; from where he sits enthroned he looks out on all the inhabitants of the earth, he who fashions the hearts of them all and observes all their deeds. The king is not saved by his great army; a warrior is not delivered by his great strength. The war horse is a false hope for salvation, and by its great might it cannot rescue. (Psalm 33:10-17 ESV)

    The only “blessed” nation on earth today is this ONE:

    But you are a chosen race, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people for his own possession, that you may proclaim the excellencies of him who called you out of darkness into his marvelous light. Once you were not a people, but now you are God’s people; once you had not received mercy, but now you have received mercy. (1 Peter 2:9, 10 ESV)

    That there works in the hearts of people in ALL nations!

    My guess is God is going to be found guilty of foiling all other nations’ plans in light of His own! 🙂

    What do you say about that?

  10. I also think it is important for those who are concerned about the Russians siding with China to block any action against Assad, to understand WHY the Russians have taken this position. I can tell you one reason for sure that the Russians are terribly concerned about the situation in Syria is that, for all his faults, Assad has been rather protective of the Christians in Syria and there is a GREAT fear of what will become of the Christian population (which traces its roots back to apostolic days, if Assad gets removed. Things could get very bad for Christians if that were to happen and a radical regime take Assad’s place. The Russians had the same fears about Egypt and that nightmare to a large degree has become reality. Remember, the Christian population in this part of the world is mainly Orthodox, the same Orthodoxy as is practiced in Russia. The Russian’s see these believers as brothers and sisters and are trying desperately to protect them. But even if the US does not get involved, I believe that Assad’s time is almost up. Somebody somehow is going to get him. These atrocities will finish him whether he is actually responsible or not, because the blame will be hung around his neck and he will pay the price. So we really do need to keep the church in Syria in our prayers and think twice before we criticize the Russians too harshly.

  11. The bumbling thing is there is the very possibility that this was all a mistake. Steve’s right to question whether it was an attempt at a “false-flag” by the rebels (accidentally or purposely). Or perhaps Assad the dentist made a stupid, false wager. But you’d think he’d know enough NOT to use chemical weapons. That’s a huge trigger for international “aid”.

    It’s all a game. The American response has become more frantic and intense now that it seems apparent that Assad will not be toppled by the rebels. When the game seemed in their favor, the American government could sit back, pontificate on liberty, and watch the Russians claw and scramble to retain their only real ME asset.

    The most ridiculous thing is to just watch the congressional hearing. It has barely been over 10 years and the same arguments are rehashed, only from the opposite parties. We see quite a few Republicans not wanting to be dragged into more of Obama’s wars, and the Democrats trumpeting the call for intervention to make the world safe for democracy. Replace the names Kerry and Hagel with Rumsfeld and Powell and we’re watching the same exact thing play out. It’s almost comedic if it wasn’t so sad.

    Assad is wicked. The rebels are wicked. Obama is wicked. For such are the sons of Adam in the thrall of the powers. Come quick Lord.

    • Amen Cal, it is a game. And i agree concerning Congress. Some of the names have changed, and some are the same stooges from 10 yrs back, but the game most certainly stays the same. What has been “funny” to watch in recent days are how many of those who refused to back ANY of the president’s proposals over the last 5 years, have now become, with him, “comrades in arms” concerning Syria and war. War has become the “great” uniter.

  12. This kind of tic for tac prophetic back and for the seemingling little observable difference in the lives of those who oppose such timetables. What does that tell you?

  13. PJ, the bottom line is the “$bottomline$”! Arms are the best fastest wealth builder in the world.

    I don’t want to say to much except to say I have first hand knowledge what heads of state will pay for arms and ammunition AND mercenaries to fight their battles. The Assad regime is a minority and a powerful family that has ruled Syria for a long time.

    For instance, I met and discussed with soldiers from Nigeria how it was they came to be hired by the Head of State in both Liberia and Sierra Leone to protect their interests “in country”. You see this all the time in Third World countries.

    I met with arms dealers in New York once with a King of a small Kingdom where their Throne is in Togo to discuss acquisition of both arms and ammunitions and foriegn fighters. The list of available arms and weapons including fighter Jets and armored personnel carriers, tanks and small attack boats that could go up river from the ocean was quite impressive! The price lists were discussed.

    When my Church was in Guatemala in a high political way I know that that country retained the Israelis as the main suppliers of arms and ammunitions as well as “training” the Guatemalan Army special forced in counter insurgencies.

    At the end of the day it comes down to what you can afford paying for military wherewithal. Just review the Old Testament to see from where some of the kings of Israel got the money to hire other nations to come fight for them or pay them not to come and attack them.

    Remember Abraham and this story:

    And the king of Sodom said to Abram, “Give me the persons, but take the goods for yourself.” But Abram said to the king of Sodom, “I have lifted my hand to the Lord, God Most High, Possessor of heaven and earth, that I would not take a thread or a sandal strap or anything that is yours, lest you should say, ‘I have made Abram rich.’ (Genesis 14:21-23 ESV)

    How about this New Testament story of covetousness and greed:

    After some days Felix came with his wife Drusilla, who was Jewish, and he sent for Paul and heard him speak about faith in Christ Jesus. And as he reasoned about righteousness and self-control and the coming judgment, Felix was alarmed and said, “Go away for the present. When I get an opportunity I will summon you.” At the same time he hoped that money would be given him by Paul. So he sent for him often and conversed with him. (Acts 24:24-26 ESV) HE HOPED THAT MONEY WOULD BE GIVEN HIM!

    It’s always about the money, the money, the money to keep in power unless God’s plan has another intent. I suspect besides George’s insights about the Orthodox Church in Syria and Russia’s interests there there will also be a money angle too! You can bank on it!

    That’s why I referred to Psalm 33 in my earlier comments.

    • the bottom line is the “$bottomline$”! Arms are the best fastest wealth builder in the world.

      Michael, you’re sure right there..and isn’t there a saying about war being good for the world’s economy?

  14. Arms dealers are for war, children are not! I’m not sure how much longer this country of the Untied States can be allowed to control the world’s currencies which directly controls the economies of the poor countries. The first world countries have developed technologies and resources to work with. Sadly a lot of third world countries are also rich in natural resources but those resources are not being developed because it would destabilize the world monetary system.

    I could tell you several stories but I’ll limit it to one, Liberia. If the major world players would allow to be mined this country’s gold deposits it would fracture the debt/credit system. I’ve got copies of presidential sighed agreements with first class geological proforma studies from former President Tolbert that if the American company he entered into the agreements with was allowed to finish those agreements and bring out of the ground this geologically confirmed vein of AU, it would even for today’s standards break the debt/credit system and create worldwide inflation.

    There are a number of countries just like Liberia that if the constraints were lifted so they can develop their national natural resources it would bring relief to the suffering poor in their country. Poverty can be reduced to just the sluggards if the nations of the world exercised on purely humanitarian grounds this economic system found in Deuteronomy:

    “At the end of every seven years you shall grant a release. And this is the manner of the release: every creditor shall release what he has lent to his neighbor. He shall not exact it of his neighbor, his brother, because the Lord ’s release has been proclaimed. Of a foreigner you may exact it, but whatever of yours is with your brother your hand shall release. But there will be no poor among you; for the Lord will bless you in the land that the Lord your God is giving you for an inheritance to possess— if only you will strictly obey the voice of the Lord your God, being careful to do all this commandment that I command you today. For the Lord your God will bless you, as he promised you, and you shall lend to many nations, but you shall not borrow, and you shall rule over many nations, but they shall not rule over you. “If among you, one of your brothers should become poor, in any of your towns within your land that the Lord your God is giving you, you shall not harden your heart or shut your hand against your poor brother, but you shall open your hand to him and lend him sufficient for his need, whatever it may be. Take care lest there be an unworthy thought in your heart and you say, ‘The seventh year, the year of release is near,’ and your eye look grudgingly on your poor brother, and you give him nothing, and he cry to the Lord against you, and you be guilty of sin. You shall give to him freely, and your heart shall not be grudging when you give to him, because for this the Lord your God will bless you in all your work and in all that you undertake. For there will never cease to be poor in the land. Therefore I command you, ‘You shall open wide your hand to your brother, to the needy and to the poor, in your land.’ (Deuteronomy 15:1-11 ESV)

    God knows what He’s doing and the world’s economists understand the math and the power of natural resource wealth.

    My guess is God’s plan is going to win out in the end!

    • My guess is God’s plan is going to win out in the end!

      Amen Michael. That’s our one assurance.

      Your story concerning Liberia is sad. Like you wrote, im sure the same case could be made for any number of countries in which the majority live in serious poverty. What a mess the world is in Michael. Like most folks today, i don’t understand it all, but i have enough sense to know its diabolical. If ever there was evidence of who exactly is the prince of this world (for now), this is it. It would be like my preventing you and your family, my neighbors, from eating food in your own “cupboard” while i watched you starve to death.

  15. Certainly Michael makes a good point. Money is always the not so hidden motivator in these cases. The same sorts of horrible atrocities go on in Africa all the time and nobody seems to care. But Africa doesn’t have significant amounts of Oil and Africa doesn’t have Israel.

    So far we have fought how many wars in the Middle East recently? Iraq I, Iraq II, Afghanistan, Libya … And is Israel more secure now than before? Are the Islamic people of the region better off now than before? Is democracy any more established in the region than before? It is really difficult to see any evidence at all of success. Unless of course one measures success in terms of the profits reaped by the various multinational military contractors involved in these successive ventures. They are most certainly better off due to every one of these military actions.

    So from this we can quite probably project who will be the winners in the next military adventure in the Middle East. Welcome to the Syria crusade.

    • George, you asked some good questions. I actually think Israel is less secure today. And as for the Islamic people in the middle east, they sure don’t appear to be better off. Nor has the west’s endeavor to ‘nation-build’ by exporting Americanized democracy worked..especially not if you consider all the lives lost in the process.

      As both you and Michael have pointed out, the only real winners have been military contractors.

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