The danger of Christians “standing with Israel”…or any other nation!

Last evening I left a comment under another post which concerned a topic which has puzzled me for some time. It concerns the State of Israel: 

I realize many if not most Christians strongly believe what we see as ‘Israel’ today, is a fulfillment of prophecy. But if you read closely in the old testament, the conditions which were to be met PRIOR to each and every time God ‘restored’ the people to the land, (repentance, forsaking idolatry, turning back to God, etc), what has occurred in the 20th century, DOES NOT FIT. This puzzles me. (from comment section – Romans 11: 25-26)

George responded with,

Regarding modern day Israel, I suspect that one can find the answer by asking whether modern day Israel is founded on FAITH or on FLESH.

I agree. And this is the cause of my confusion, for what we see as the State of Israel today, was, without a doubt, founded by the arm of the flesh. And lest you think I’m not aware that God uses man’s actions to fulfill His will, believe me I do understand that. But in this particular case, it has never lined up with the requirements (for restoration) laid out in God’s Word.  

Anyway, this morning I came upon a message at a website previously unknown to me. I actually stumbled upon it while reading something else, in which the link (to this message) was embedded within. 

Read it please. The author (again, someone I’m not familiar with) has written on the topic and made some very good points. 

I won’t say I agree with every jot and tittle in this message—but as a whole, the message makes perfect sense: from a Biblical perspective. If you’ve read here for any length of time I don’t need to go into why I believe this is an important subject: you’re already aware the topic itself has “colored” the theology of millions of Christians in the last 150 years. 

Below is only a small segment, but I do encourage you to follow the link and read it all. Afterward, would like to hear your thoughts…

From JMSmith.org: The danger of Christians “standing with Israel”…or any other nation!


Last week I saw a picture on a Facebook page that had a drawing of the star of David with the words “I STAND WITH ISRAEL” imposed over it.

Artistically, it was a beautiful design.

Theologically, it was very troubling.

I believe Christians (and even Jews) who proudly boast of “standing with Israel” as a modern nation are in danger of borderline idolatry–by both Old and New Testament standards.

The nation that exists today in the Middle East with the blue and white Star of David as its flag is a secular state. Its Constitution is not based on Torah, but rather on Western democratic ideals and a European/American form of government. I don’t know many people who would dispute this–in fact, most who support Israel are quite proud of this very thing!

However, because it was named “Israel” when it was established in the mid-20th century, many Christians saw it as the reconstitution of Biblical Israel…and thus as a divinely-sanctioned nation that was to be a key event in ushering in the return of Christ. In fact, most evangelical Christians claimed it as a “miracle” (despite the fact that after WWII, politically and militarily speaking, there was very little that could be said to be “miraculous” about superpowers with modern weaponry establishing a country in land they controlled) and “fulfilled prophecy” (despite there being very little in the actual details of the events which could be correlated with Biblical prophecy in anything more than a superficial or vague manner).

Understandably, then, those who saw the formation (or “ingathering” as they might rather call it) of Israel in this manner would have a favorable view towards this new nation. And since in just the previous decade the Jewish people had suffered tremendous horror in the form of Shoah (the Holocaust), the world was rightly sympathetic to the plight of the Jewish people and many believed they deserved a homeland where they would be able to live free from fear of attack or persecution.

Through political maneuvering and negotiation between the victorious powers of WWII and the European community, it was decided that the place for this new nation of Israel would be the land in the Middle East where Biblical Israel once lived. It seemed only logical.

The only problem was that during the nearly 2,000 years in which the Jewish people had been spread over the face of the earth as a result of Jerusalem’s destruction by the Romans, many other people had continued to live in that very land, including a number of Jews of Middle Eastern descent (In fact, a friend of mine whose family was forced to flee Israel in the 1940s  can trace her family’s ancestry back to 1st century Christians in Jerusalem!). Needless to say, when this massive influx of Europeans arrived in the new nation of “Israel”, there was conflict with those–both Jews and Arabs–who were already there.

[Note: This is a VERY simplified summary and I am intentionally avoiding getting into the numerous historical nuances of the past 60+ years, both because it is beyond the scope of this post and because there are many accounts with varying degrees of bias to which interested readers can refer.]

However, despite being established as a homeland for the Jewish people, at no point in time has the nation of Israel ever been established according to the Covenant given by God at Mt. Sinai. Rather, many of the earliest and most influential leaders of this new state (often referred to as “Zionists”, to distinguish the political goals they sought from the religious aspects of “Judaism”), such as Theodor Herzl, were mostly secular European Jews who were quite clear that they had little use for Torah’s commandments, other than for their religious symbolic value in gaining support among the larger Jewish and Christian world population (see here for more on the secular roots of Zionism). Incidentally, there were and always have been a vocal minority of devout Jews who openly oppose Zionism in principle because they believe that the true return of the Jews from exile cannot happen apart from the coming of Messiah. For more on this, see “A Threat from Within: A Century of Jewish Opposition to Zionism” by Yakov Rabkin.

So despite the claims to the contrary by many prominent and prolific voices among Conservative Christian Zionists, the nation of Israel as a nation cannot be said to have legitimate claim to the promises given to Biblical Covenant Israel. This is a CRUCIAL distinction…and one that many of my fellow evangelical Christians often seem to miss.

[For an incredibly thought-provoking and level-headed discussion of this issue by Jewish Psychologist Mark Braverman, see my previous post: A Jewish voice that needs to be heard by Christians.]

“But wait…what about the famous promise to Abraham’s seed? Didn’t God say flat-out that He would bless those who bless the nation of Israel and curse those who curse them??”


No He didn’t.

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8 comments on “The danger of Christians “standing with Israel”…or any other nation!

  1. Thanks for posting my piece. I hope and pray that more people will continue to rethink critically what they’ve come to believe about Israel (no matter their position) in light of the full counsel of Scripture and the historical realities “on the ground” for the past hundred years or so.

    Blessings from the Dojo,

    • Thank YOU for such an insightful piece JM.

      Your message not only answered some of my questions but confirmed there are other Christians “out there” who have questioned the whole “Modern day Israel is a fulfillment of prophecy” issue. I was beginning to believe i was the only one… aha.

      God bless..

  2. I’m going to comment before going to the embedded link and finish the article. Also I’m going to try and just paraphrase verses not cut and paste them. If I can remember the exact chapter and verse I’ll cite it.

    When I think about this subject again, I consider two words, temporal and eternal.

    The promise the Eternal God made to Abraham was a covenant promise of “land” (temporal) based on His Faith (Christ’s) that He gave to Abram. The Faith is also temporal, but the blessing is eternal. The Giver and Blesser is eternal. See Genesis 12:1-3.

    This event is like kicking the can down the road so to speak. The can was first kicked in Genesis 3:14-15.

    Later as the predetermined history unfolds of natural temporal Israel we see Abraham survey this temporal promised land. He lives in it and the promises keep coming. Each promise unfolds a little more kicking the can down this predetermined road to the endgame which is the ending the temporal and then the CHURCH entering into the eternal. As we learn from reading Hebrews 11 the CHURCH has always been around on the earth in every generation since Adam.

    The promises of God that He makes when they are made and the Bible records have two parts. One part is the temporal part based on conditions. The other part during the old covenant phase kicking the can down the road has an eternal component to it, or the part God always must play fulfilling His promises.

    We learn reading through Exodus to Malachi there are preconditions and conditions placed on the children of Israel that they are to meet to experience the fullness of the land promise. As you get to the end of Deuteronomy you see God teach Moses a song that Moses teaches Joshua that reveal insight that the children of Israel is on a voyage that is doomed. Moses sings the song to the children of Israel. Of course in the song there is hope sung about too!

    Now Moses and Joshua are no longer on the scene! None of us live forever as humans. We are all temporal in nature in the beginning of our journeys and where we end up after we pass into eternity is the BIG issue. To end up in Heaven, John writes in his Gospel, we must be born again of the Will of God.
    When we get to Judges more of the promise unfolds. We see the first king of Israel there. This is preconditioning, setting the stage, so to speak, for the eternal covenant to be established through King David. See 2 Samuel 7 or 1 Chronicles 17. If you look intently at 1&2 Samuel, 1&2 Kings and 1&2 Chronicles you can see clearly the demise of the temporal (natural Israel) possession of the promised land, a promise of cultural, social, economic and dominion theocracy the children of Israel were to “inherit”. There were great stretches or periods of time when the children of Israel actually lived in peace in the promise land. There we learn both King David and Solomon achieved national rest for the nation of Israel. All this is just foreshadowing the time to come when the REAL eternal inheritance is secured for “spiritual and eternal” Israel. As we learn reading through the Old Testament and the four Gospels, two by eyewitnesses and two by hearsay but the accuracy of this hearsay is reliable because of the Holy Spirit’s Hand in writing Mark and Luke, out with the “Old and temporal” and in with the “New and Eternal”.

    What present day natural and secular Israel has to come to terms with is their place in this predetermined history among fallen man. They served us well getting the Law into the mix. There was never a time, refer back to the song God taught Moses in Deuteronomy, when God hung His Eternal Promise on that sinful rebellious nation of Israel. They served a temporal purpose.Their time came and their services are not needed now. This earth and the created Heavens above her are passing away. They are both temporal, the created heavens and earth.

    This brings me to the eternal part. When you read certain portions of Scripture, both from the Old and New Testaments, you see clearly the eternal or the Divine and Eternal Purpose of the Eternal promise of eternal Life because of the fair, honorable and equitable work of the Messiah and Lord for usHis people dying for us and securing our eternal redemption and eternal “inheritance”. See Hebrews chapter 9 for a clear and hopefully convincing explanation of both the temporal and eternal ministries.

    Where does this leave Israel? Where does this leave every other nation on earth? In the same situation and circumstance. All have sinned and fallen short of His Eternal Glory. Today the can has been kicked down the road so far it’s about near the end of the road. To see the eternal nature of this kicking refer to Ephesians 1:7-12 and 3:8-12.

    The can will finally be kicked one last time as described at Ephesians 1 where the plan from eternity is completed and the CHURCH is utterly, fully and completely ONE BODY in every nation! How this is done is described in Ephesians 3:8-12. It is said to be the “Eternal Purpose” because as Hebrews 9 describes it Christ “has already” secured both the True Children of Israel’s eternal redemption and eternal inheritance. Now what is left is that the CHURCH can enter into the promised Eternal Rest in through and by Christ Who is the predetermined Eternal Promised Land where Only His Righteousness is found! See Hebrews 4.

    • Where does this leave Israel? Where does this leave every other nation on earth? In the same situation and circumstance. All have sinned and fallen short of His Eternal Glory.

      Amen. Yes i agree Michael.

  3. Stand with Jesus and let the rest fall where it may.

  4. What can I say? No end of good insights here! There are just so many flat out disconnects when one tries to force the modern day state of Israel into some sort of prophetic mold. Its so amazing that people can do it and take the whole thing seriously. I, personally, do not consider Israel as some sort of enemy. I actually very much admire them in many ways for what they have accomplished. But there is just no way that I can accept any of the claims that base their legitimacy on some sort of prophetic foundation. God gave the land to Israel and He very clearly allowed it to be snatched away from them permanently when they rejected His Messiah. And there is no evidence that He has ever restored it to them. Everything that went before, the temple worship, the Levitical priesthood, its all gone and there is no way to put it back together again. There is nothing any more supernatural about the state of Israel than there is about the Vatican. Both are human institutions pretending to be divine institutions. Israel as a modern day Jewish homeland? I can buy that. Israel as a rebirth of OT Israel? No way!

  5. There are just so many flat out disconnects when one tries to force the modern day state of Israel into some sort of prophetic mold. Its so amazing that people can do it and take the whole thing seriously.

    For a long time George, i really thought i stood alone in questioning this. Like so many millions of fellow Christians, especially in the west, i just took for granted (after hearing it my entire Christian lifetime) that it was a fulfillment of prophecy. Don’t even recall now why i began to look more closely at it, but i did. And what i read surprised and confused me. That was, modern day Israel does NOT appear, in any shape or form, to be the results of any type of prophetic in-gathering. In fact, i can’t find anywhere in God’s word where it was prophesied that a National Israel was to ever be reestablished after 70AD.

  6. Now having read the articles I want to cap off my thoughts about standing with present day Israel, and “Zionism”. I do believe some ideas that I read in the past about present day “orthodox” Israel, those sons and daughters of the same Faith of their fathers Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.

    The ideas center around this portion of Isaiah’s prophecy found here:

    Isaiah 66:5 Hear the word of the LORD, you who tremble at his word: “Your brothers who hate you and cast you out for my name’s sake have said, ‘Let the LORD be glorified, that we may see your joy’; but it is they who shall be put to shame.
    6 “The sound of an uproar from the city! A sound from the temple! The sound of the LORD, rendering recompense to his enemies!
    7 “Before she was in labor she gave birth; before her pain came upon her she delivered a son.
    8 Who has heard such a thing? Who has seen such things? Shall a land be born in one day? Shall a nation be brought forth in one moment? For as soon as Zion was in labor she brought forth her children.
    9 Shall I bring to the point of birth and not cause to bring forth?” says the LORD; “shall I, who cause to bring forth, shut the womb?” says your God.
    10 “Rejoice with Jerusalem, and be glad for her, all you who love her; rejoice with her in joy, all you who mourn over her;
    11 that you may nurse and be satisfied from her consoling breast; that you may drink deeply with delight from her glorious abundance.”

    See “… Before she was in labor she gave birth; before her pain came upon her she delivered a son. …Shall a land be born in one day? Shall a nation be brought forth in one moment? …”.

    Most people don’t know that in 1947 ( a time of peace, hence “no” labor pains ) one afternoon at the UN in New York a vote was taken that officially re-established Israel as a nation. It was a year later, 1948, that that vote was officially activated.

    Where I go from this event in 1947 about the nation of Israel which came centuries after the utter and total destruction of Jerusalem in 70 AD is to interpret this portend of Isaiah this way:

    The Bible reveals all we need to know, both about natural Israel, the nation that came out of Egypt; and, God’s plan to use this natural nation of Israel to establish the Law Covenant through Moses. Parenthetically as I noted above in my earlier comment God used this small rebellious dysfunctional family, the twelve Tribes of Jacob for two purposes; one purpose was to establish the fact that no man from any nation can keep the Law, this holy, righteous, good and perfectly just Law, not then, not now, not ever in a million year and not even with God’s help! God had an entirely different new thing planned in His mind that the New Testament writers call a mystery revealed about a promise of a seed of Abram who would come from his loins to bless families of the earth.

    Genesis 12:3 I will bless those who bless you, and him who dishonors you I will curse, and in you all the families of the earth shall be blessed.”

    The good news is Christ Jesus is the second purpose of the nation of Israel. The Messiah for all nations would be and was born, born of a virgin and Christ Jesus by suffering for the sins of His people, dying then buried then raised from the dead is alive and still sitting at the Righteous Righthand of Our Glorious and Majestic and Holy Heavenly Father. It is He who blesses all those who come to God through Him. The purpose of Abraham’s offspring, the twelve Tribes of Israel was not to come to bless the families. No their purpose was to show the world the fallen nature of man to all nations by being God’s dog and pony show, so to speak, to show that the Law kills. This purpose has already been accomplish! Mission accomplished!

    Christ has come. Christ has suffered and died! Now the blessings of realizing man’s failure and Christ’s victory over death and the Devil are both available to all who call upon His Name! The new thing is a “New Creation” not of this world dwells in the world with no earthly dwelling place, ah, as in a newly rebuilt temple in present day Jerusalem with animal sacrifices done by Levitical priests in the likeness of the practices kept during the period of the tabernacle of David!

    An interesting side note I will make now is the fact that gradually even the annual Passover sacrifice that began with Moses and the children of Israel ( Exodus 12 ) started to wane after King David’s reign:

    2 Chronicles 35:16 So all the service of the LORD was prepared that day, to keep the Passover and to offer burnt offerings on the altar of the LORD, according to the command of King Josiah.
    17 And the people of Israel who were present kept the Passover at that time, and the Feast of Unleavened Bread seven days.
    18 No Passover like it had been kept in Israel since the days of Samuel the prophet. None of the kings of Israel had kept such a Passover as was kept by Josiah, and the priests and the Levites, and all Judah and Israel who were present, and the inhabitants of Jerusalem.

    God taught Moses a song that he was to teach Joshua and the temporal children of Israel. This song revealed a fact. No one is righteous or by natural means are worthy to receive the promised “inheritance” based on the keeping the Law sinlessly so as to enter into and live a quiet and peaceful and restful life before God in the inherited Promised Land or in any other nation then die and go to their fathers in eternity who went before them.

    There are four visions that the Bible records God gave to four Jewish men at four periods of time historically. Each time there were circumstances leading up to these visions given to each of these men from the Tribes of Israel in their day. Each vision had its purpose. Each vision pointed to the next even greater vision. Each vision is greater and more majestic than the previous one.

    The first vision was given to Moses. The second vision was given to King David. The third vision was given to the Prophet Ezekiel. And finally there is the VISION of all visions, the “mother” of all visions, given to the Apostle John. Each of these visions have unique qualifying details.

    To Moses, the architectural details were given of a “tent” or portable tabernacle, to be built by a select group of men anointed by God. These men were to build it and the children of Israel were to give to them willingly from their heart substances from God Almighty the supply of building materials so that The Lord would dwell with them as He led the children of Israel around in the desert forty years and then by Joshua, with the Levitical priests of his day going out front, would lead conquests so that eventually the tent or portable tabernacle would come to finally settle at rest from their enemies near Jerusalem. The Tribes of Israel would have The Lord dwelling in their midst and they were to celebrate His bounty to them weekly, monthly, three times annually at Jerusalem and every three years have a tithing celebration before Him in Jerusalem too. Every seven years was a Sabbath year and every subsequent fiftieth year they were to have a Jubilee years and all this was to be done selflessly to the Glory and Honor of the Creator of all nations of the world!

    Exodus 25:8 And let them make me a sanctuary, that I may dwell in their midst.
    9 Exactly as I show you concerning the pattern of the tabernacle, and of all its furniture, so you shall make it.

    The next vision was given to King David. This vision was the fulfillment of the first of these two temporal earthly dwelling places of God. The building process was the same. Anointed men received from these children their substances and with these building materials built a temple so they then would put the ark of the Covenant God dwelt in in the inner sanctuary. The first dwelling place for God to come to and dwell in among His people was portable. This next dwelling place has God dwelling inside it but it is not portable.

    1 Chronicles 22:1 Then David said, “Here shall be the house of the LORD God and here the altar of burnt offering for Israel.”

    1 Chronicles 23:25 For David said, “The LORD, the God of Israel, has given rest to his people, and he dwells in Jerusalem forever.
    26 And so the Levites no longer need to carry the tabernacle or any of the things for its service.”

    1 Chronicles 28:19 “All this he made clear to me in writing from the hand of the LORD, all the work to be done according to the plan.”
    20 Then David said to Solomon his son, “Be strong and courageous and do it. Do not be afraid and do not be dismayed, for the LORD God, even my God, is with you. He will not leave you or forsake you, until all the work for the service of the house of the LORD is finished.

    The next vision is to Ezekiel. This vision is similar in a lot of ways architecturally as the first two but this dwelling place of God is being built in Heaven not on earth:

    Ezekiel: 40:1 In the twenty-fifth year of our exile, at the beginning of the year, on the tenth day of the month, in the fourteenth year after the city was struck down, on that very day, the hand of the LORD was upon me, and he brought me to the city.
    2 In visions of God he brought me to the land of Israel, and set me down on a very high mountain, on which was a structure like a city to the south.
    3 When he brought me there, behold, there was a man whose appearance was like bronze, with a linen cord and a measuring reed in his hand. And he was standing in the gateway.
    4 And the man said to me, “Son of man, look with your eyes, and hear with your ears, and set your heart upon all that I shall show you, for you were brought here in order that I might show it to you. Declare all that you see to the house of Israel.”

    And finally we have John’s vision, the entire book of the Revelation he was “shown” on the Lord’s Day while “in the Spirit”.

    Here is the end of this symbolic apocalyptic vision revealed to John:

    Revelation 22:1 Then the angel showed me the river of the water of life, bright as crystal, flowing from the throne of God and of the Lamb
    2 through the middle of the street of the city; also, on either side of the river, the tree of life with its twelve kinds of fruit, yielding its fruit each month. The leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.
    3 No longer will there be anything accursed, but the throne of God and of the Lamb will be in it, and his servants will worship him.
    4 They will see his face, and his name will be on their foreheads.
    5 And night will be no more. They will need no light of lamp or sun, for the Lord God will be their light, and they will reign forever and ever.

    Now we know this is the True Tabernacle and Eternal Dwelling Place, the “New Creation” of God built by The Lord Jesus Christ.

    Let me ask a question. When was the last time you heard of fruit trees bearing their fruits “every month” for those the fruit is for?

    Revelation 22:2 …also, on either side of the river, the tree of life with its twelve kinds of fruit, yielding its fruit each month. …”.

    What do the foregoing realities point to?

    They don’t point to the movement afoot known as Zionism. The best thing I gleaned from reading the subsequent articles above is the counter movement where Jews and Christians are rising up against Zionism and challenging the Zionists and Christians who believe the State of Israel is today more special in the world of nations to God and that therefore justifies their belligerence because they have God ordained inheritance rights according to their interpretation of the Hebrew Bible and other extraneous Rabbinical writings as the articles discuss.

    No, there is only one thing left for Spirit filled born again Jews and Gentiles from every nation to do. It is not justify the State of Israel’s existence and their crimes committed against humanity. They do have a right to defend their citizens and their visitors and guests as ALL other nations or States.

    I suggest these verses makes it plain what is left for us to do:

    Luke 10:1 After this the Lord appointed seventy-two others and sent them on ahead of him, two by two, into every town and place where he himself was about to go.
    2 And he said to them, “The harvest is plentiful, but the laborers are few. Therefore pray earnestly to the Lord of the harvest to send out laborers into his harvest.
    3 Go your way; behold, I am sending you out as lambs in the midst of wolves.
    4 Carry no moneybag, no knapsack, no sandals, and greet no one on the road.
    5 Whatever house you enter, first say, ‘Peace be to this house!’
    6 And if a son of peace is there, your peace will rest upon him. But if not, it will return to you.
    7 And remain in the same house, eating and drinking what they provide, for the laborer deserves his wages. Do not go from house to house.
    8 Whenever you enter a town and they receive you, eat what is set before you.
    9 Heal the sick in it and say to them, ‘The kingdom of God has come near to you.’
    10 But whenever you enter a town and they do not receive you, go into its streets and say,
    11 ‘Even the dust of your town that clings to our feet we wipe off against you. Nevertheless know this, that the kingdom of God has come near.’

    Or how about these verses too?:

    2 Peter 3:9 The Lord is not slow to fulfill his promise as some count slowness, but is patient toward you, not wishing that any should perish, but that all should reach repentance.
    10 But the day of the Lord will come like a thief, and then the heavens will pass away with a roar, and the heavenly bodies will be burned up and dissolved, and the earth and the works that are done on it will be exposed.
    11 Since all these things are thus to be dissolved, what sort of people ought you to be in lives of holiness and godliness,
    12 waiting for and hastening the coming of the day of God, because of which the heavens will be set on fire and dissolved, and the heavenly bodies will melt as they burn!
    13 But according to his promise we are waiting for new heavens and a new earth in which righteousness dwells.

    But if you are not called to go into all the world and preach the Gospel of the Kingdom to every creature. Or you are not called to be an intercessor calling for Christ to return before this generation passes (hastening the coming of the day of God) surely these verses apply then to you don’t they?:

    Revelation 14:13 And I heard a voice from heaven saying, “Write this: Blessed are the dead who die in the Lord from now on.” “Blessed indeed,” says the Spirit, “that they may rest from their labors, for their deeds follow them!”


    Revelation 18:1 After this I saw another angel coming down from heaven, having great authority, and the earth was made bright with his glory.
    2 And he called out with a mighty voice, “Fallen, fallen is Babylon the great! She has become a dwelling place for demons, a haunt for every unclean spirit, a haunt for every unclean bird, a haunt for every unclean and detestable beast.
    3 For all nations have drunk the wine of the passion of her sexual immorality, and the kings of the earth have committed immorality with her, and the merchants of the earth have grown rich from the power of her luxurious living.”
    4 Then I heard another voice from heaven saying, “Come out of her, my people, lest you take part in her sins, lest you share in her plagues;
    5 for her sins are heaped high as heaven, and God has remembered her iniquities.

    We are strangers in this world, sojourners just like natural Israel was and as King David prayed they were that glorious day as he and they presented to God their hearts and souls for the construction of that temporal Temple on the mount in Jerusalem that eventually was destroyed utterly and completely in 70 A.D.:

    1 Chronicles 29:13 And now we thank you, our God, and praise your glorious name.
    14 “But who am I, and what is my people, that we should be able thus to offer willingly? For all things come from you, and of your own have we given you.
    15 For we are strangers before you and sojourners, as all our fathers were. Our days on the earth are like a shadow, and there is no abiding.

    There is no abiding! King David realized it!

    I realize it! I too as I suppose you do as well, am looking to enter the Eternal Holy City in Heaven itself, not a temporal one on this earth, but that holy dwelling place in eternity some day soon!

    Let the Will of The Lord be done, amen and amen!

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