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Hagee: Ukraine Crisis The Beginning Of The Last Days


Wouldn’t even bother posting this, but Michael asked if I’d heard of any-other “prognosticator” (besides Kim Clement) having anything to say concerning Russia and the Ukraine. So this one’s for you brother Michael…

From false prophecy teacher John Hagee, we’re being told;  (The) Ukraine Crisis The Beginning Of The Last Days (with video)

15 comments on “Hagee: Ukraine Crisis The Beginning Of The Last Days

  1. The whole Ukraine mess is a tempest in a teapot. Russia has a long term historic interest in the Crimea region. Russia has a huge military installation in the Crimea region. A solid majority of Crimeans are ethic Russians. The Ukraine is on Russia’s doorstep just like Mexico is on ours. My very strong opinion on this for the whole time is to just give the Russians Crimea and let Ukraine go on its own path. I really do think the Russians would be OK with such a solution. And, I am in fact reading in the morning news today that the Crimea is now petitioning Russia to annex it. This whole thing is just the culmination of a long standing geo political struggle. I had someone approach me in church recently all excited over the Ukraine situation because he is sure that Putin is preparing to attack Israel, Gog, Magog, the Bear and all the rest all happening right in front of our very eyes. What can I say? The whole world seems to be having a communal mental breakdown all around us at times.

    • Liked that phrase George,

      The whole world seems to be having a communal mental breakdown all around us at times.

      Its true. And when these things occur in the world, which they do and always will, until Jesus returns, the end-time false prophecy teachers immediately jump in with their claim of “the sky is falling” end-of-days scenario. In some cases it’s done in order to prepare their gullible Christian followers for the newest book they’re working on. And those like Hagee, will without fail always see any world crisis as a ‘prophetic sign’ concerning Israel.

      Benjamin Corey, over at Formerly Fundie commented on Hagee’s video clip this morning, pointing out how to deal with, “someone who’s making claims about a certain event triggering the “end times”..”

      1. Point out that their message stays the same– the only thing that changes is the current event.

      Any time there is a “rumor of war” or a horrible natural disaster, the end times folks start clamoring that the end is near. Usually they’ll also throw in that someone is going to try to attack Israel really soon. It doesn’t matter what the event is, their message stays the same: the end is near and almost anything in the news can be used as “proof”.
      How many times must they falsely predict the end will come before we stop listening to them entirely? Some of these folks have created entire careers out of making false predictions using current events.

      Ironically, in Deut chapter 18, the Law of Moses taught that if a “prophet” gave a prediction that did not come to pass, they should be put to death because it was a sign they falsely claimed to speak for God. Just remind the person who is making such claims that had they lived in Bible times, there’s a good chance they’d be dodging a lot of rocks.

      2. We need to point out that their message is fear based, and fear based messages are not of God.

      The New Testament teaches us that God’s perfect love will “cast out all fear”. However, the end times preachers rely on fear to keep their income flowing. If you watch folks like Hagee more than a few times, you’ll quickly see that the message is all fear based: the Muslims are taking over, there’s going to be a lot of war, and the end is coming… it’s all fear based. This, my friends, isn’t of God. Any time a message plays to fears, we know it has no association with the God.

      3. We need to point out that they’re just making crap up.

      When you listen to these folks, such as in the video above, you’ll hear them say things like “scripture teaches”, but what will follow will be a country, or event, that doesn’t exist in the Bible. For example, when we hear someone say that the Bible teaches Russia will attack ______, we know it’s total BS, because they are super imposing modern identities on a very ancient, apocalyptic document.

      In the video, Hagee claims we can know that “Gog” is Russia, because Gog comes from the north.

      Really? Is Russia the only place that’s north of wherever the author was when he wrote the book? Seriously– I’m not kidding– they’re really just making stuff up and we need to keep pointing that out.

      Here’s what they’re doing: they’re taking apocalyptic literature which is highly symbolic and metaphoric by nature, and just filling in their own blanks and justifying those blanks by saying “scripture teaches”. Especially when working in Daniel or Revelation– we’re dealing with symbolism such as a 7 headed beast coming up out of the ocean. Anytime someone says they know exactly what that means, they’re guilty of simply making stuff up. The truth is, we’re hard pressed to know what any of it means, so your guess is as good as mine– and I’ve got six years of seminary under my belt.

      People really need to understand that Hagee, like any of the end-of-days teachers we have with us today (Lindsey is another big one) who issue these “the sky is falling” proclamations every time there is a crisis in the world, are basing their “predictions” solely upon their own personal interpretations of prophecy, or what they believe is prophecy.

  2. Kim Riddlebarger deconstructs the Ezekiel 38-39 argument from an Amillennialist view point here>

    The Russians Are Coming! Time to Check the Rapture Index
    http://kimriddlebarger.squarespace.com/the-latest-post/2014/3/5/the-russians-are-coming-time-to-check-the-rapture-index.html

  3. Good, sane, article from Kim Riddlebarger. And he appears to be right, this is sending

    ….end-times prognosticators into a state of apoplexy (or joy –I’m not sure which)

    I wasn’t aware that dispensationalists no longer identified Gomer as Germany, but instead it is now seen as Russia. I can remember hearing many sermons on the end-days, and Germany was always said to be the ‘Gomer’ of the bible.

    And that is the problem with taking todays headlines and trying to make them ‘fit’ what you believe is prophecy being fulfilled: Things change. Or in this case, what Hagee is pointing to, was most likely already fulfilled.

    • I liked Kim Riddlebarger’s article too, and for the most part agreed with it. Regarding the past fulfillment of Ezekiel 38-39, I believe that Gary DeMar and Presbyterian pastor David Lowman have made a good case that this prophecy was fulfilled in the days of Esther. Here are some highlights from their thoughts:

      —“Meshach” and “Tubal” were actual city/nations before the time of Christ and were part of the larger Persian Empire. These words come from the Asiatic words “Mushka” and “Tabal” and they are both literal locations located in modern day Turkey.
      —Many believe that Russia’s identity is confirmed because these armies were to come from the north (Ezek. 38:6, 15; 39:2), but other significant invasions of Israel in the Old Testament were also from the north: [1] Babylon (Jeremiah 1:14, 4:6, 6:10, 10:22), Persia (Isaiah 41:25, Jer. 50:41), and Assyria (Zephaniah 2:13). Even nations not located to Israel’s north chose to attack from that direction because it was the easiest way in.
      —Ezekiel 38:5–6 tells us that Israel’s enemies come from “Persia, Cush, and . . . from the remote parts of the north,” all within the boundaries of the Persian Empire of Esther’s day. From Esther we learn that the Persian Empire “extended from India to Cush, 127 provinces” in all (Esther 8:9). Ethiopia (Cush) and Persia are listed in Esther 1:1 and 3 and are also found in Ezekiel 38:5. The other nations were in the geographical boundaries “from India to Ethiopia” in the “127 provinces” over which Ahasueras ruled (Esther 1:1).
      —Ezekiel’s statement that the fulfillment of the prophecy takes place in a time when there are “unwalled villages” (Ezek. 38:11) fits the time period of the exile before Nehemiah finished building the walls of Jerusalem. It does not fit these modern times.
      -The chief antagonist of the Jews in Esther is Haman, “the son of Hammedatha the Agagite” (Esther 3:1, 10; 8:3, 5; 9:24). An Agagite is a descendant of Amalek, one of the persistent enemies of the people of God. In Numbers 24:20 we read, “Amalek was the first of the nations, but his end shall be destruction.” The phrase “first of the nations” takes us back to the early chapters of Genesis where we find “Gomer,” “Magog,” “Tubal,” and “Meshech,” and their father Japheth (Gen. 10:2), the main antagonist nations that figure prominently in Ezekiel 38 and 39. Amalek was probably a descendant of Japheth (Gen. 10:2). Haman and his ten sons are the last Amalekites who appear in the Bible. In Numbers 24:7, the Septuagint (LXX) translates “Agag” as “Gog.” “One late manuscript to Esther 3:1 and 9:24 refers to Haman as a ‘Gogite.’” Agag and Gog are very similar in their Hebrew spelling and meaning. Agagite means “I will overtop,” while Gog means “mountain.”
      —Ezekiel described ancient warfare, and weapons made out of wood that were able to be burned (Ezek. 38:4-5; 39:9).
      —According to Ezekiel 39:11 and 15, the place where the army of Gog was to be buried would be known as the Valley of Hamon-Gog, and according to verse 16, the nearby city would become known as Hamonah. The word “hamon” in Ezekiel is spelled in Hebrew almost exactly like the name Haman.
      —Ezra and Nehemiah both mention the large amounts of silver and gold that the Jews brought back from exile. These are the same items that Ezekiel says the approaching armies were attacking to plunder.
      —In the very short battle described in Esther, the Israelites destroy Haman’s army, killing nearly 100,000 despite being greatly out-manned.
      –Both Ezekiel and Esther state that the Jews were (or would be) attacked by all of Persia’s provinces.

      Source: http://kloposmasm.com/2010/04/05/revelation-20-four-views-of-gog-and-magog/ (Part A)

    • Thanks for the link Adam! Will be checking it out.

  4. I watched the video, but I didn’t catch Hagee saying that these events in the Ukraine mark “the beginning of the last days.” Unless I missed it, that must be an assumption on the part of Right Wing Watch.

    In any case, it’s a mistaken notion. Peter, referring to what took place in the Upper Room on the Day of Pentecost, said, “But THIS IS what was spoken by the prophet Joel: ‘And it shall come to pass IN THE LAST DAYS, says God, that I will pour out of My Spirit on all flesh…” (Acts 2:16-17).

    If Peter said that the events of Pentecost fulfilled Joel’s prophecy of what would take place “in the last days,” then the last days can’t begin in the 21st century. (In my opinion, they have nothing to do with the 21st century anyway).

    Pentecost wasn’t the very beginning of the last days either, according to Hebrews:

    “…but now, once at the end of the ages, He has appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of Himself…” (Hebrews 9:26).

    According to the author of Hebrews, Jesus’ life, ministry, death, and resurrection also took place “at the end of the ages.”

    • rewatch it Adam and notice he says ‘in the last days’, close to the beginning of the clip (bout at 38-39 seconds in)

    • Thanks for pointing that out, PJ. Yes, Hagee did say “in the last days” in that video clip. RWW, however, apparently put words in Hagee’s mouth by insinuating that he said the Ukraine crisis marked “THE BEGINNING” of the last days. Instead, Hagee merely said it was prophesied to happen “IN” the last days. That claim isn’t Biblically accurate either, but I wish RWW wouldn’t have misquoted him in their video title.

      I’d have to search Hagee’s materials/teachings to find out when he believes “the last days” began. He might hold to the idea that the last days began in the days of Jesus (or the early church) and continue until today. Or he might be among those who propose that the last days began in our generation. I realize that Hagee views “the last days” as the alleged last days of this planet (at least in its current form), whereas I view the “last days” spoken of in the Bible as the last days of the old covenant age.

      The New Testament is clear that Jesus lived and ministered in the flesh during the last days, which contradicts RWW’s video title (even more than Hagee’s actual words). Another text on this point is Hebrews 1:1-2.

      “God, who at various times and in various ways spoke in time past to the fathers by the prophets, has IN THESE LAST DAYS SPOKEN TO US BY HIS SON, whom He has appointed heir of all things…”

    • Yes, i agree–what he actually said was bad enough, aha!

      I seem to recall, and remember i could be wrong, that he wrote in one of his books that he believes the last days started in 1948 with Israel becoming a State. Though i could have him confused with Hal Lindsey. Over the past few years i’ve reread both men’s books.

  5. Thanks for posting that article Steve, thats very much the position that I would take on the issue.Funny how dispensationalists are everchanging with the times, a new headline and the’re scrambling to come up with a new theory.

  6. Oh my! And just think? I’m still working on this:

    Matthew 6:28 And why are you anxious about clothing? Consider the lilies of the field, how they grow: they neither toil nor spin,
    29 yet I tell you, even Solomon in all his glory was not arrayed like one of these.
    30 But if God so clothes the grass of the field, which today is alive and tomorrow is thrown into the oven, will he not much more clothe you, O you of little faith?
    31 Therefore do not be anxious, saying, ‘What shall we eat?’ or ‘What shall we drink?’ or ‘What shall we wear?’
    32 For the Gentiles seek after all these things, and your heavenly Father knows that you need them all.
    33 But seek first the kingdom of God and his righteousness, and all these things will be added to you.
    34 “Therefore do not be anxious about tomorrow, for tomorrow will be anxious for itself. Sufficient for the day is its own trouble.
    🙂

  7. Quote from Adam
    In any case, it’s a mistaken notion. Peter, referring to what took place in the Upper Room on the Day of Pentecost, said, “But THIS IS what was spoken by the prophet Joel: ‘And it shall come to pass IN THE LAST DAYS, says God, that I will pour out of My Spirit on all flesh…” (Acts 2:16-17).
    End quote

    Adam, you say its a mistaken notion, and thats your perogotive, my understanding is that the “last days” are indicated as being the time of the new covenant.If a thousand years are as a day and a day is a thousand years, there is biblical support for the 21st century being very much in the time frame of the last days.Time is of little consequence to God, and we do know that all these things will come to pass in Gods time, and not ours.Also in Hebrews 1 , the last days are mentioned in relation to God speaking to us through Christ.

    Hebrews 1:2
    Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son……..

    Unless i’m mistaken , the witness of the gospel is still saving the elect of Christ, and will continue to do so until Christ returns for the church[all the saints].

    • Thanks, Mondoray. I understand, as I used to share your perspective concerning the last days, seeing them as stretching out over the last 2000 years.

      However, I didn’t believe (and still don’t, of course) that the culmination of the last days would bring about the end of the gospel’s saving power. Rather, Hebrews 1;1-2 made the point, to that first century audience, that God had formerly spoken through the prophets, but had now spoken through His Son. It also made the point that they were living in the last days (“in these last days”). Jesus’ words weren’t going to lose their power beyond the last days, just as the words of the prophets didn’t lose effect beyond the times in which they lived. I’m in agreement with John Owen (1616-1683):

      “Most expositors suppose that this expression [In Hebrews 1:2], ‘The last days,’ is a periphrasis [euphemism] for the times of the gospel. But it doth not appear that they are anywhere so called; nor were they ever known by that name among the Jews, upon whose principles the apostle proceeds… It is the last days of the Judaical church and state, which were then drawing to their period and abolition, that are here and elsewhere called ‘The last days,’ or ‘The latter days,’ or ‘The last hour,’ 2 Peter 3:3; 1 John 2:18; Jude 1:18… This phrase of speech is signally used in the Old Testament to denote the last days of the Judaical church” (John Owen, The Works of John Owen, Volume 19, pp.12 – 13).

      The particular mistaken notion that I wanted to address was the idea that the last days began a few weeks ago with the crisis in Ukraine. As it turns out, that’s how RWW framed Hagee’s words, and is not exactly what he said.

      The ends of the ages had come upon the first century church (I Cor. 10:11), and the end of the age would come when the gospel had been proclaimed among all the nations (Matthew 24:14). By the time the New Testament was written, this was declared as fulfilled (Acts 2:5-11, Romans 1:8, Romans 16:25-26, Colossians 1:5-6, Col. 1:23). Many other statements were made in the New Testament concerning the last days and the end of the age. My view on this subject is more fully laid out in this post:

      http://kloposmasm.com/2010/04/10/a-discussion-of-two-ages-this-age-and-the-age-to-come/

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