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What is the vision of the Jews who want to rebuild the temple in Jerusalem?


This is only one of a number of similar articles I’ve come upon which has greatly disturbed me. It appears a greater number of Israeli Messianic Jews, then I originally believed, are now caught up in Israeli Nationalism. This summer I became engaged in a discussion with one Israeli believer at a discussion board, who confirmed this move was catching on within the community. A number more vocally involved, as you can see in this article, are American Messianic Jews now living in Israel. From what I’ve been told, these are ‘American’ transplants who have moved to Israel in order to work in the illegal settlement program.

What is most disturbing is the fact these Messianic Jews are failing to understand they are falling back into the same mind-set in which Israel found itself 2000 years ago: one which focused on a National, political restoration, which was totally contrary to “why” Jesus came; And their failure to grasp that Jesus IS the Temple now, and has been since the finished work of Calvary.

 Our fathers worshiped on this mountain; and you say that in Jerusalem is the place where men ought to worship.”  Jesus said to her, “Woman, believe me, the hour is coming when neither on this mountain nor in Jerusalem will you worship the Father.  (John 4)

Where-ever two or three are gathered in His name, the Word tells us, Jesus is there. He is The Temple to which we gather! (Matthew 18:20). In turn, our being in Christ and His Spirit residing within us, makes each individual Believer, the temple of God (1 Corinthians 6:19). God will no longer dwell in any temple made by human hands (Acts 17:24). This is simple, basic, new Covenant teaching.

I feel the need to pray for these brothers and sisters. Will you pray? Nationalism is a strong delusion my friends, and it is grievous to see so many fellow believers in Israel, now falling into this same trap which has ensnared many American Christians: and to see much of this is being transported from America itself.

*See article (and video clips) at Mondoweiss, What is the vision of Jews who want to replace Al Aqsa mosque with temple? 

21 comments on “What is the vision of the Jews who want to rebuild the temple in Jerusalem?

  1. I will join you in prayer concerning these things, and for our brothers and sisters who are falling into this nationalism.

    To add to your excellent summary of New Testament teaching regarding God’s temple, we also see in Ephesians 2 that the entire church, corporately, is God’s temple:

    “Now, therefore, you are no longer strangers and foreigners, but fellow citizens with the saints and members of the household of God, having been built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ Himself being the chief cornerstone, in whom the whole building, being joined together, grows into a holy temple in the Lord, in whom you also are being built together for a habitation of God in the Spirit” (Eph. 2:19-22).

    So Jesus is God’s temple, and those who abide in Him are also God’s temple, both individually and corporately. What a beautiful and profound upgrade to the temple that represented the old covenant world.

    • Thank you for praying Adam. God bless you.

      A few months back i was surprised to start seeing a number of articles concerning Messianic Jews in Israel speaking out publicly (in favor) of this summers latest war. I’ve aways noticed, through-out the years, they usually remained silent during these wars/conflicts; i took that as they did not want to appear to be ‘political’ as they faced their own discrimination (and at times, persecution) within Israel. Things changed quickly this summer–suddenly more and more articles began to appear in Israeli news sources, about many Messianics joining the IDF. Did you notice this as well? I was really surprised. But from reading a few articles it appeared the Israeli government was “actively” encouraging them to serve with financial incentives. It’s only recently i’d noticed many of them were young Jews (and non-Jews) from America.

      Nationalism is a religion in Israel today. I hate to see it….

      So Jesus is God’s temple, and those who abide in Him are also God’s temple, both individually and corporately. What a beautiful and profound upgrade to the temple that represented the old covenant world.

      Yes, it is beautiful! 70AD, i understand, was God’s judgment which Jesus warned was coming, but i also believe the destruction of the temple was so much more then “just” a judgment: it had to go Adam, for it had served it’s purpose (as we read in the OT) but had grown apostate, and become not only an idol, but it stood as a hinderance to God’s plans. Jesus WAS and is the New Temple. The last Temple. The old had to go.

      Does that make sense?

      And thank you for adding Eph. 2:19-22! It fits perfectly with what i was trying to say.

    • You’re welcome. Yes, I did see one article about Messianic Jews joining the IDF, due to the encouragement and incentives offered by the government. From what I’ve heard, at least most of the Americans who’ve gone to Israel to join in the fighting or the settlements cause are Christian Zionists who now either call themselves Messianic Jews or have basically converted to Judaism. It’s wild.

      I agree that Scripture shows the temple had become a hindrance to God’s plans and had to go. On a similar note, Paul said that many of the people in Judea were actively standing in the way of the spread of the gospel:

      “For you, brethren, became imitators of the churches of God which are in Judea in Christ Jesus. For you also suffered the same things from your own countrymen, just as they did from the Jews, who killed both the Lord Jesus and their own prophets, and have persecuted us; and they do not please God and are contrary to all men, forbidding us to speak to the Gentiles that they may be saved, so as always to fill up the measure of their sins; but wrath has come upon them to the uttermost” (I Thessalonians 2:14-16).

    • Think i probably saw the same article (at charisma?) you’re referring to. It is wild that a growing number of one-time Christians have converted Adam, though i guess it shouldn’t be surprising as the CZ movement has been so prominent in recent years. Many, like Hagee, have basically converted, in all but an open confession. Take for example the articles posted at Charisma in the ‘Standing with Israel’ section of the magazine: You can read page after page of articles in that section, and not see Jesus mentioned one time within a single article. Not once! That goes for the majority of articles at that magazine period, in general; Jesus, the very center of our faith, not only has been given a backseat, its as though he doesn’t exist. Israel has been given his rightful place. The only reason i still continue to visit Charisma and comment once in awhile, is to (in my own small way) point to Jesus. I know you, and a few others, do the same.

      I agree that Scripture shows the temple had become a hindrance to God’s plans and had to go. On a similar note, Paul said that many of the people in Judea were actively standing in the way of the spread of the gospel

      Amen. Though i had always been aware of the persecution of the early church, it’s only been recently that i’ve began to understand just how severe it actually was. What do you think Paul meant by “but wrath has come upon them to the uttermost”?

  2. When Paul wrote, “but wrath has come upon them to the uttermost,” I believe he was referring to the national judgment upon Israel and Judea which was just around the corner. I believe he was talking about the soon-to-come Roman-Jewish War which began just a few years later, resulting in Jerusalem’s destruction, 1.1 million Jews killed and tens of thousands taken into slavery, and the downfall of the temple as Jesus had predicted in the Olivet Discourse would take place before His generation would pass away. Paul knew from the time statements given by Jesus that this wrath was due to be poured out at anytime, so he stated that their time of standing in the way of the gospel was about to come to an end. That’s how I see it anyway.

  3. “What do you think Paul meant by “but wrath has come upon them to the uttermost”?”

    I believe he was referencing the foretold destruction of Jerusalem in 70 AD.

    Also: There isn’t any such thing as a Messianic Jew? Galatians 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

  4. Thanks Adam and aagrove. That was my thought also, that Paul was referring to the coming destruction. I don’t know when the letter was written, only that we know it was prior to 70AD. Guess i always wondered if the Spirit had revealed what was going to occur to Paul or if he just knew because of the warnings Jesus made while here. Either way, it appears Paul “knew”. I recall reading Paul’s death occurred in 68AD. Does this sound correct? If so, isn’t it true the war had actually already started?

    Also: There isn’t any such thing as a Messianic Jew? Galatians 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

    aagrove, though i don’t make a big deal of it, i have always had a problem with that term, personally.

    I see it as an attempt to separate the body of Christ and re-erect the wall that was removed by Christ. I also see (in some individual messianic Jews at discussion boards) the strong desire to make it known, they are “not Christians” but messianic Jews: in other words, they seem to like that distinction. This to me, is trying to undermine and “lessen” the significance of the Church.

    • It looks like Paul is believed to have written II Thessalonians around 53 AD or so. I’ve heard the same about Paul’s death – that it was around 67 or 68 AD. It was at the hand of Nero, whose campaign of persecution against the church was from June 64 AD – November 68 AD when he died (a 3.5 year period, fulfilling Revelation 13:5-7, I believe). If that date for Paul’s death is correct, yes, the war would have already started.

      I agree with what you said about the term “Messianic Jews.” I’ll use it if I have to, but it does make a distinction that is completely unnecessary because of the finished work of Christ.

    • Thanks Adam for confirming that date. From what i’ve read the Roman/Jewish war, plus the civil war (Zealots, etc) had already, more or less, began by 68…even earlier. The Jewish Virtual Library has it dated as occurring between 66-70 ad.

      Yes i use the term (Messianic Jews) also, only because an article will be referring to them in that manner, but i don’t agree with its use by believers who are Jewish. Like you i believe its makes an unnecessary distinction which divides the Church.

    • Yes, from my understanding, the Roman-Jewish War either began

      [1] with Nero’s formal declaration of war in February 67 AD, when he commissioned Vespasian as his general to put down the Jewish rebellion, or…

      [2] in October 66 AD when there was “a [Jewish] revolt at Caesarea due to a group of Greeks sacrificing birds in front of a local synagogue. The revolt occurred because the Jews were frustrated that the local Roman garrison did not intervene. The High Priest successfully led a massacre of the Roman garrison stationed in Jerusalem. The Romans in Caesarea slaughtered 20,000 Jews and about 13,000 more Jews were put to death in Damascus, Syria. Cestius Gallus, the Roman governor of Syria, took the Twelfth Legion to put down the Jewish rebellion. He plundered and burned the city of Zebulon in Galilee, then moved south to surround Jerusalem. He arrived when most of Judea was gathered in Jerusalem for the Feast of Tabernacles. Surprisingly, his army was defeated and driven away, with the Romans suffering about 5700 deaths.”

      I took that information from a timeline of events during this time which I have posted here:

      http://kloposmasm.com/2009/08/16/pp17-the-historical-events-leading-up-to-70-ad-part-1/

    • Thanks for sharing the link to the timeline Adam! I forget about some of the great charts you have up at your blog!

      Sorry its been a few days before replying, i’ve been under the weather. If you happen to see this before Monday, would appreciate prayer. I see the surgeon tomorrow and find out if i need to go back into the hospital. I don’t want to go back in now…

    • You’re welcome, PJ, and that’s no problem. I’m sorry to hear you’ve been under the weather. I don’t know if I saw this in time (before you see the surgeon), but I’m agreeing in prayer with you this morning.

    • Thanks for praying Adam. She decided today to postpone any decision until next Monday when i see her again. I was glad. I’m back on antibiotics though, which is beginning to concern me. I sat and figured out the other night, i’ve been on one or more (strong) antibiotic almost continuously for over 2 years now. It worries me for im afraid my body will cease to respond to them one day. Guess that’s the price one pays for autoimmune disorders/illnesses.

      Forgive me if it sounds like im complaining. Think im just growing weary. Least one good thing came about from todays visit: both my sons accompanied me to the doctor, so got to spend time with them both🙂 We took a few photos afterward of all the beautiful new snow which fell over night! aha!

      God bless you and others who continue to pray for me. Don’t know what i’d do without the body of Christ.

  5. Quote
    I believe he was referencing the foretold destruction of Jerusalem in 70 AD.

    Jesus does prophesy of the destruction of the Temple, but can anyone point me to where the bible confirms that 70AD is the fulfillment of this ?

    • Not i mondoray. My thoughts were the rebellion (Jew on Jew) had started at the time Paul may have written this, which would explain his comment about God’s wrath (already) “coming upon them”,

      “..and they do not please God and are contrary to all men, forbidding us to speak to the Gentiles that they may be saved, so as always to fill up the measure of their sins; but wrath has come upon them to the uttermost”

    • Mondoray27, if I can address your question briefly, I’m one who believes that the events of 70 AD did fulfill the foretold destruction of the temple (and more). However, I don’t believe this is confirmed within the pages of the Bible, at least not after the fact. The simple reason for this, in my mind, is that all of the New Testament books were written prior to 70 AD.

      This was a major premise of the scholar, John A.T. Robinson, in his book “Redating the New Testament.” Among other evidence, he was also moved by the fact that no New Testament passage spoke of the downfall of the temple, or of Israel’s fall to the Romans, after the fact. In other words, he said, if certain NT books were written in the 80’s or 90’s AD as some have assumed, it’s astounding that none of them mentioned such a monumental event as the downfall of the nation of Israel and the temple in 70 AD. Therefore, it makes sense that all of their books were written before these things took place, while they were still looking forward to them happening and still looking forward to the prophecies of Jesus, Peter, John, Paul, and some Old Testament writings as well being fulfilled.

      We know a lot about the Roman-Jewish War of 67-73 AD from Josephus (Jewish historian) and Dio Cassius, Suetonius, and other (Roman) historians. Early church fathers and leaders, living after 70 AD, then tied certain Bible prophecies together with the events of that war period, saying that they were fulfilled at that time.

    • Don’t know how accurate it is but i’ve read a few accounts which believe John’s gospel “might” have been written after Jerusalem fell. Have you ever read of that being a possibility?

      (excellent comment, by the way)

    • Thank you, PJ. I have heard that John’s gospel account may have been written after Jerusalem fell, but I don’t remember seeing any compelling reasons for believing that. If you look at the comments under the Revelation 1 post at my blog, you can see a conversation about this between myself and someone named “Brooke” (six comments total):

      http://kloposmasm.com/2009/08/25/revelation-1-study/

    • I’ll take a look Adam, thanks! Can’t recall the various books or essay’s where i read of the possibility of John’s Gospel being written after the fall of Jerusalem. Or exactly why the authors believed it. I do seem to remember it had to do with the manner in which one or more believed John wrote of the temple and/Jerusalem–or actually, how he didn’t! Except in a historical manner, as though he were writing of the past. Is it true John’s was the last Gospel written?

    • You’re welcome. I’ve also heard that John’s gospel account was the last one written, but I don’t know whether that’s true or not, or if there are solid reasons for saying that Matthew, Mark, and Luke couldn’t have been written after his account.

  6. I too recall that Paul died around 67 or 68 AD according to history? And yes, the war had already started before the actual destruction in 70AD, probably around 5 years earlier or so to corroborate prophecy and the abomination of desolation. Just so you know where I’m coming from with this, I personally believe that Nero was the actual Antichrist that was spoken of. Although Caligula was just as evil or worse than Nero, Nero fits the Abomination of desolation time period closer than Caligula.

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