Jesus did not come to be the Messiah?
Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son. 1John 2:22
I saw mention of his book, In Defense of Israel, and the comments by John Hagee around the internet today, and went searching for the clip in which he made some ’supposed’ statements. I say supposed because I had to hear it for myself…
-Jesus did not come to Earth to BE the Messiah.
-Jesus refused by word and deed to be the Messiah.
-The Jews cannot be blamed for not accepting what was never offered.
After finding a clip and hearing the man myself, the only thing I can say is he is now a heretic in my book.
From The Threshingfloor:
Is Hagee NOT rejecting the truth of the entire New Testament account of Jesus’ ministry? What then could the Lord have possibly meant when He proclaimed openly in the synagogue at Nazereth:
“The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised…”-Luke 4:18
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When Jesus came into the coasts of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, saying, Whom do men say that I the Son of man am? And they said, Some say that thou art John the Baptist: some, Elias; and others, Jeremias, or one of the prophets. He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am? And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God. And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven. Matthew 16:13-17
And the high priest stood up in the midst, and asked Jesus, saying, Answerest thou nothing? what is it which these witness against thee? But he held his peace, and answered nothing. Again the high priest asked him, and said unto him, Art thou the Christ, the Son of the Blessed? And Jesus said, I am: and ye shall see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven. Mark 14:60-62
A Christian woman, whose husband is a resident at the same nursing home as my father, told me about this recently. I too wanted to hear it for myself. She said she would find out the tape title/number for me. She always has John Hagee’s program on in her husband’s room. She had not been aware of his unscriptural teachings. When she heard him say . . .
- “Jesus did not come to Earth to BE the Messiah.
- Jesus refused by word and deed to be the Messiah.
- The Jews cannot be blamed for not accepting what was never offered.”
she told me that she’s been telling everyone she knows what he said. I didn’t say much at the time but I thought God is alerting His people. Sometimes we have to hear something totally outrageous before we pay attention. That’s sort of what happened to me.
im glad the Lord is revealing truth and delivering His outta the hands of the wicked…im just not sure why anyone is suprised…televangelists neva preach true gospel and they live like the world…really…ima be real surprised if i hear em sayin Truth…be bless… -g-
I can’t say i was totally surprised by this, but did want to hear it for myself….
John Hagee stepped over the line when he got involved in the Christian Zionist movement and began to slowly leave the doctrines of Christ for politics and a spiritually “unhealthy” obsession with the land of Israel. I know he denies it, but i really believe he holds to a dual covenant form of theology—which is born out of classic dispensationalist teachings.
You figure he’s been stating for some time now that he believes that Jews should not be evangelized: that goes totally against the word of God, for Jesus in Mark 16 said:
So it shouldn’t surprise anyone now that he is fallen even more into deception and is making further false statements like those in this clip and in his newest book.
This man, who once preached the true gospel, should be a warning for all believers today. Especially those who hold to this classic form of dispensationalism.
Its frightening Cathy…for i don’t doubt there are many many other Christians who believe just as he does.
Hi g…
Yes, i have to sadly agree with you. ‘If’ there is one preacher on TV which is still preaching the truth, there are 50 more that aren’t!
God bless!
Well I knew John Hagee had went over the line with his two covenant doctrine, and now he is just coming out and explicitly saying it.
With the current sad climate of Evangelicalism with no backlash against the other heretical statements by some other big names he must be feeling overly confident in his heretical stance.
The wolves are coming out in the open.
More reason to stay close to the Word of God.
Good catch on this one, I linked to it.
a few years back I was listening to Hagee in his ministering and really looked forward toward the next time he would be on the radio… until I found out he was involved with the Pyramid Preachers (TBN).
I remember one night saying: sure do pray this man stays true Lord, because it seems anyone who involves themself with TBN eventually gets infected with their twisted ideas. It is almost as if they wait till there is a huge following and Kabam out comes the hidden agenda…
ever wonder why those people are so closely knitted together?
I seriously believe it is Hypnotic.
anyway… darkness does not stay hidden for long… it is dying to get out.
Now we see the darkness in his heart; therefore we can mark him as such…
FALSE PROPHET!
Yes oxy, I believe it is supernatural also.
Your comment jarred my own memory Oxy. I too remember making a similar comment to i ‘believe’ one of my sons. This was back when most everyone [everyone i knew, anyway] was in the process of having their eyes opened to all the false teachers on TBN. Someone had made the remark that John Hagee was one of the very few on TBN which still preached the gospel..
I pray this man comes to his senses & realizes what he is doing before its too late.
John, that was my thought too. He’s denied more then once that he holds to the belief of dual covenant theology, but his own words (again) betray him.
He speaks of his love for Israel and the Jewish people…pointing the finger at all who dare to disagree with his theological and end-time beliefs as antisemitic & ‘against God’…not realizing it is he who is not showing real love by refusing to tell them of Christ Jesus.
(thanks for the link)
Wait a minute. Something is wrong here. I just viewed this video. And i noticed something… John Hagee’s ‘voice’ is at least three seconds behind his lips. In fact it looks like some kind of voice over. Since his lips do not seem to be pronouncing the words at all.
Crysta
Shocking, just shocking!
I dropped Hagee like a hot potato several months ago when I saw him say on TBN that Paul Crouch “has not forsaken the old paths”. If he could say that there is something very wrong with him. But I never would have dreamed any of them would go as far as to say Jesus is not the Messiah, regardless of what they meant by it. That is definitely a shocking new low. Makes you wonder who all these people really are. It’s all straight from hell imo.
Crysta i noticed the quality wasn’t as good on the one posted on youtube also…but the one posted at thethreashingfloor link is better. What is seen in the clip is actually taken from his TV program, which also may be available to be viewed at his website–i know the book is offered there. He was quoting from his book.
Hi Joel…
Yes i agree it is shocking, but to be honest it didn’t surprise me. I’m tempted to get a copy of the book..but hesitate to do so only because i would feel as though i would be supporting and donating to his beliefs by putting out $$.
Kate, i haven’t watched him for the last 2 years..i stopped watching TBN around that time.
You know, i use to watch TBN back in 1981..back then they did follow the old path. The first time i found them [the picture was fuzzy, and it was only on 6-8 hours daily] i was thrilled. Those were the days when they had on the PTL nightly program, some great preachers…and teachers. Dr. Walter Martin was one who appeared regularly. I’ve often wondered what he would think about the network today.
We sure are living in some dangerous times. Men and women of God who once taught/preached the gospel are falling away into apostasy so fast, its hard to keep up.
Blasphemous….
Please tell this to others in your church, fellowships, friends of Pastor John Hagee’s error. This false teaching needs to be exposed to the light. If I would not of seen this on YouTube and heard it in his own voice, I may of not of believed these could of be coming from Pastor Hagee. Shocking…more evidence we are in the last days.
I documented his heresy with a number of complete quotes from his book “In Defense of Israel.” You can read it here:
http://www.biblewheel.com/RR/Hagee_Defense_of_Israel.asp
randall, like you i had to hear it myself.
I had seen a mention of it but didn’t want to post anything until checking it out. I agree, its blasphemous.
What has surprised me more then anything is that i have seen reference made concerning this, on some Christian boards/forums, and many are defending him–in fact, a few agreeing with Hagee.
Yes, it is evidence of the last days…
Richard…
I just read through your post on biblewheel…What an excellent post and job you did at pointing out the heresy’s in the book!
Hope it ok, im going to post a link to your documentation of the quotes from the book. I was hoping someone might have had more info on the specifics within it–thank you so much for sharing!
Hi everyone,
I am a person who has recently seen the truth and “come out” of Hagee’s church. I’ve heard him say on many, many Sundays that “he loves it when the heat is turned up and people are talking against him.”
Honestly, I don’t know what has happened to him in the last few years, he didn’t used to be this messed up. I think all the money has twisted his brains. It seems God has given him over to a reprobate mind.
I loved my church family and am so grieved to see what he has become and the path he is leading innocent people down. It is the road to hell……it must be. It is all so hard for me to believe….shocking is a better word. A prominent man in my community told me that he was at a social gathering with Hagee and that Hagee chased around this rich businessman all night. He described it as Hagee following him around with his hand and tongue hanging out like a starving dog. This man told me that is why he has nothing to do with church, “they’re hypocrites.” What a terrible witness to the unsaved.
Hagee has surely gotten in bed (so to speak) with the TBN gang with all their heresy. They are laughing all the way to the bank. I remember several years ago when Hagee told us as a congregation about Paul Crouch’s gay affair. I wonder if Hagee was still normal then?
Since my departure I feel so lost, and I don’t trust any preachers and won’t dare try to go to church again. I’m sure there are good pastors in my area, I just don’t know where. Paula White spoke at Cornerstone recently, she has also moved to the San Antonio area, as well as having a condo in the Trump Towers. What is it with San Antonio? I know they target the poor……..
I sent quite a bit of money to TBN over the years, but I gave more to Hagee’s church. I’ve asked for my money back at TBN, and of course they said no. So I filed with the BBB in California and another website called RipOff Report. I’m thinking of writing to the FCC as well.
What a scam!!
Be blessed all of you and remember when the nay-sayers tell you “not to touch God’s anointed” or “judge not lest ye be judged.” Tell them that Christians are supposed to expose false doctrine!! Jesus did it and so did Paul – hopefully that is good enough for them.
In my opinion, the pimps are anointed with greasy grace and they have spewed vomit all of the Holy Word of God.
BoycottTBN
Hi…Thank you so much for sharing: it sounds as though you
were at Corner Stone Church for some years.
Its hard, i know. When my old church fell into apostasy and God led me out, leaving those i loved behind, was one of the hardest things i’ve ever been called upon to do, as was the sense afterwards, of not knowing where i belonged.
Looking back though, i can now see it was during the weeks and months after leaving, that i finally began to understand i am the church–one of the stones which make up that Grand and Beautiful ‘building’ which is called The Church. We who are in Christ, are abiding ‘in the Beloved’….regardless of if we’re in or out of a specific church or denomination.
God will lead you to a fellowship and place of worship. There are still many Churches out there which do still preach Christ alone. Many of them though, i’ve found, are small congregations.
The TBN thing…yes i can see how Hagees continued involvement with them could have been a huge influence on him. But in the end, it will be John Hagee alone, who will answer for ‘John Hagee’. The few ministry’s left on that network who haven’t fallen into the TBN mind-set yet, would be wise to leave it.
God bless…
John Hagee has fallen – who then is the whore of Babylon but the one who denies Christ – the antichrist. The house is burning just like California is going up in flames. Hell is very hot.
If you love Jesus / Y’SHUA – the Savior of Jews and Gentiles -remember these verses : Romans 1:16 … Salvation to the Jew First then the Gentile… Romans 2:8 …Tribulation to the Jew First, then the Gentile … Honor and Glory and Peace to the Jew First, then the Gentile… The Jew is always first…
John 4:22 : …We worship what we understand, because salvation is from the Jews.
JESUS came to the “lost sheep of the House of Israel” (Matthew 10:6) . As you go make this proclamation: “The Kingdom of Heaven is at hand. Cure the sick, raise the dead, cleanse lepers drive out demons…” or Mark 7:27 :”Let the children (Jews) be fed first. For it is not right to take the food of the children and throw it to the dogs.” (Gentiles) (28) She replied and said to him, “Lord, even the dogs under the table eat the children’s scraps.” (29) Then he said to her, “For saying this, you may go. The demon has gone out of your daughter.” (30) When the woman went hone, she found the child lying in bed and the demon gone.
But here is the truth as the rubber hits the road :
Philippians 2:9-11 :… that at the name of Jesus every knee should bend, of those in heaven and on earth and under the earth, and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.” Every knee shall bow and every tongue confess that JESUS CHRIST IS LORD.
It could not be any clearer that this – or how about John 14:6 :
“I am the way, the truth and the life, no one comes to the Father except by me.” There is only one way to Heaven and that is with JESUS in the heart of all mankind.
Repent and turn from your wicked ways. God’s arms are stretched out with compassion, come to Me, He says, My love is heavenly, but first you must come to me because I love you UNCONDITIONALLY.
Monique
Whoa what is going on here? I didn’t watch the video but is this for real? Has Hagee misspoken or something? Someone please tell me this is some kind of sick joke or something.
Hello William..
no, im sorry to say its not a joke. There are some links in a few of the posts on this which might interest you–they are reviews of the book by a couple different Christians–one, a Christian leader in Uganda.
Wonderful to hear of others whose eyes are seeing and whose ears who are hearing… Bless the Lord oh my soul.
Yes, God is revealing the hearts of the men and women who are saying: The Oracle of God, The Oracle of God, when God has not spoken.
John Chapter 4:25
” The woman said, “I know that Messiah is coming, when he comes he will explain everything to us.
Then Jesus declared, “I who speak to you am He.”
Amazing how people like Hagee can get so entrenched in thier own agenda that they forget to monitor themselves by the whole counsel of God.
Hi Mark…
you’re right. There is an agenda here..and Hagee has allowed it to come before Christ and the Word of God. That’s the only explanation i can come to, knowing this man probably has read the bible through from beginning to end, for years…
There is no way he cannot ‘know’ that the word Christ itself, in many of the new testament passages, is translated Messiah. I’m sure no theologian, and i know it.
Thanks for stopping by…
God bless
We will pray for all of you because you have judged one incorrectly and spread it like feathers from a torn pillar.
My pastor, John Hagee, knows the Word, speaks it flawslessly, and lives it in his house. You would have shown Christian maturity with your mis-understanding to have written him personnally to state your position and to learn his response. Now, you have effected many who are either weak in the Word or looking for division in the Christian ranks to compromise the greatest effort to unite Christians for a common cause organized by John Hagee.
Our prayers will be focused on your williness to forgive as we forgive you, and to ask for forgiveness.
A brother in Christ,
Hello Fred..
Thanks for stopping by.
I understand your loyalty if he is your pastor, but there is no way to deny he is teaching and preaching a dual covenant form of theology. By his very words (which have been quoted in the couple posts here on this–including links to the sources) he affirms that he sees no reason to offer the Gospel to lost Jews, believing when Jesus came it was not as the Messiah to the Jews.
How does that stand up to the Word my friend? it doesn’t.
The first sermon preached by Peter (a Jew) on the day of pentecost (Acts 2) resulted in the adding of about 3,000 to the Church (verse 41)…Jews!
There are Jews today, as there are non-Jews, who are hearing the Gospel message, and are being saved and added to the Body of Christ. So Hagee’s belief, that Jews are blind and so there-for should not be presented with the Gospel of Christ, is ridiculous and unbiblical.
There is one Messiah–Christ Jesus. Who came for all: that includes Jews and Gentiles of all nations; and it is ONLY through Christ that anyone obtains salvation.
First, what is his ’cause’? Is it taking the Gospel into the world to ALL the lost? No, not by his own words, its not. What is he trying to unite Christians to my friend, the land of Israel or Christ? Israel [the land] did not hang upon the Cross & die, being raised on the 3rd day, for my sins or yours–Jesus did.
Error is to be pointed out..as well as those who teach it. In the case of John Hagee & any other well known TV preacher it has to be pointed out, especially to those young in the faith. Souls are at stake.
My little blog isn’t a discernment or apostasy blog–but when i a follower of Christ Jesus, see and know someone as well known as Hagee is teaching error and he is leading others into this same error, i will use this little blog to point it out. As a Christian, i would be remiss if i failed to do so.
Fred… God bless you. But please, for the sake of the one who died for you, do your own outside investigation on the teachings of your pastor. Don’t just believe what he says from the pulpit.
To PJMiller,
I knew this about John Hagee when he started having Jewish Rabbi’s on TV and never told them the Gospel message but agreed with their theology instead. But I am a Classic Dispensationalist and I understand the Bible without Hagee’s radical theology. I personally think that Covenant Theology is the problem. It leads to spiritualizing or allegorizing parts of Scripture. Don’t blame dispensationalists for his problem. I clearly and literally understand what the Bible says. So please don’t catagorize all of us who believe the Bible literally where it should be literal with the likes of John Hagee.
Thanks
Which is more dangerous secular TV or Christian TV? I’m glad the truth about folks like Hagee is finally coming out. I seriously hope the poor folks in his church will start bolting now that his convictions are in the open.
Pam, hi…
Sorry if it sounded as though i was clumping anyone who held to a dispensationlist view in with John Hagee’s newest teachings. I wasn’t…
There is a HUGE difference between covenant theology and dual covenant theology.
Here’s a good link which has many excellent articles on both covenant, reformed, dispensationalism, etc etc..there is even an article or two on dual covenant. HERE
It was only early this year, after believing myself to be a dispensationalist for 27 years of serving the Lord, that i did my own indepth study on the topic–I know that sounds weird, but it was all i knew or had been taught..so i just accepted it. I’m not a theologian, believe me. Just someone who wanted to find some answers as to why i found myself disagreeing with so many of my Dispensationalist friends on topics pertaining to last day prophecy.
I started with DT and moved on into covenant, reformed etc…im still studying a lot of the latter 2.
What i found out helped me a lot….and it helped me to understand why so many Christians today, like Hagee, are falling into the belief of a dual covenant form of theology. Much of it sprang from the teachings within the last 100-150 years of Darby and Scofield who taught a metaphysical distinction between Israel and the Church…believing there would forever be an eternal separation between Israel and the Church of Christ.
Through Jesus, that wall which separated the two was tore down:
But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ. For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us; Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace; Eph. 2:13-15
After coming to understand that point in particular, i could no longer say i was a classic dispensationalist.
God bless…