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Of Prophecies and Visions..


While reading tonight I found myself thinking about Prophecies and Visions: not of the false kind, of which we hear or read daily coming from every ‘Tom’ Dick’ and Harry’ [and ‘Kim’] or anyone else  who knows how to boot up a computer and hit send-no I mean the real ‘deal’; those which are given by God to His people.

My belief is God does neither of these things–give us a word of prophecy or a Holy Spirit inspired vision for naught. In other words God will not and does not waste time imparting either of these to any of His children for the sake of our entertainment, or to make us feel ‘spiritual’…No, if He chooses to do so, its for a reason. Which brings me to my next thought…

What would the reasons be, and why would He choose to reveal something concerning a future event or situation to certain people but not to others, especially if what is revealed is not good or a warning?

I could be wrong but believe I know why certain Christians are chosen to receive these revelations–if by  visions, or a word of prophecy, and its really very simple–its because God knows they will care.

A.W. Tozer’s little book, “God Tells the Man Who Cares”, came to me while questioning this in my mind  tonight, and the title answered my question. Its because the person will care enough to warn or intercede with much tears in prayer: or both. God does not reveal things or tell those who do not possess His heart toward mankind. Nor will He reveal things to those who do not have an ear to hear or that walk haphazardly before the Lord. Moses is a good example:

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God has nothing to say to the frivolous man.  It was Moses, a trembling man, that God spoke to on the mount, and the same man later saved the nation when he threw himself before God with the offer to have himself blotted out of God’s book for Israel’s sake. – Tozer, God Tells the Man Who Cares, page 9

Which brings me to a further thought:

Why would God reveal certain things to those whom He knows will care enough to fall humbly upon their face in prayer concerning what they’ve been shown or told, if it wasn’t because their intercession ‘could’ impact the outcome?

Any thoughts welcome…

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“In those days was Hezekiah sick unto death.” The words had been spoken by the mouth of the prophet: “Thus saith the Lord, Set thine house in order; for thou shalt die and not live.” Hezekiah “turned his face to the wall, and prayed unto the Lord … and Hezekiah wept sore.” God responded to his cry and prayer “I have heard thy prayer, I have seen thy tears: behold, I will heal thee … I will add unto thy days 15 years.” (2 Kings 20:1-6)

When King Josiah heard of the wrath of the Lord against the people of Judah, he humbled himself before the Lord and cried out to God, Who answered him: “Because thine heart was tender, and thou hast humbled thyself before the Lord, when thou heardest what I spake against this place … and hast rent thy clothes, and wept before Me; I also have heard thee, saith the Lord.” (2 Kings 22:19)

And Jonah began to enter into the city a day’s journey, and he cried, and said, Yet forty days, and Nineveh shall be overthrown. So the people of Nineveh believed God, and proclaimed a fast, and put on sackcloth, from the greatest of them even to the least of them.  For word came unto the king of Nineveh, and he arose from his throne, and he laid his robe from him, and covered him with sackcloth, and sat in ashes.  And he caused it to be proclaimed and published through Nineveh by the decree of the king and his nobles, saying, Let neither man nor beast, herd nor flock, taste any thing: let them not feed, nor drink water: But let man and beast be covered with sackcloth, and cry mightily unto God: yea, let them turn every one from his evil way, and from the violence that is in their hands.  Who can tell if God will turn and repent, and turn away from his fierce anger, that we perish not?  And God saw their works, that they turned from their evil way; and God repented of the evil, that he had said that he would do unto them; and he did it not. (Jonah 3: 5-10)

11 comments on “Of Prophecies and Visions..

  1. It’s about the call to purity also, not just the revelation. Evidently Enoch was given revelation , long before Noah, about impending judgement, when he saw the return of Christ, and the wrath of the Lamb. If there was repentence, it didn’t last. The world was submerged in Evil, as it is today, before the Lord sent the Deluge, saved Noah and destroyed man, woman and child to the last. It has to do with faith, too.

    He has given us his Word, written for all to believe….but why is it that only a very few Believe it enough to live it? The old world had the testimony of Adam also. His offspring could not have known the turn of events that brought about there deaths, diseases, and troubles…except through his testimony. They were not born yet. Adam delivered the word in sobriety…and his son’s understood that God was merciful, but needed a sacrifice for sin…[Cain and Abel.]

    Because evil exists in men’s hearts, His revelatory word would have been squelched, or defiled by the masses, because all revelation of Jesus must bring the evident destruction of Evil with it…..Satan is now in the lake of fire in God’s economy…along with every fallen angel with him, and every soul that was deceived by him. SATAN WOULD HAVE SEEN TO IT THAT CORRUPTION CAME..THE SAME AS IT CAME TO ADAM AND EVE…WHO POSSESSED THE PURE WORD… and were deceived as they were found WALKING AND COMMUNING WITH GOD HAND IN HAND EACH DAY…LIKE A FATHER WALKING HIS TODDLERS.

    The Word is only God’s Word if it is Holy, and interpreted along those lines. Men would have twisted and perverted the Revelation, along the channels of their own wicked perversion…the exact same as they twist the Scriptures today…and confusion and muddling would supercede God’s pure edict.

    This is why he keeps his Word pure, and separates the vessels he uses to impart it. They are bound by him to keep it that way. At some level of revelation..men are destroyed if they don’t. Remember Baalim.

    Soon, the Holy Word would have been corrupted, even as it is today by the “SPIN MASTERS”.

  2. I think what’s interesting about at least some of the men God chose (Moses, Jonah, Joseph…) to prophecy is that they were downright reluctant to accept God’s “offer” to be His mouthpiece. Moses used excuses, Jonah ran away, and Joseph didn’t even have a clue as to why the calamity that was happening to him was happening. If you look at Moses and Joseph specifically, (not much info given on Jonah prior to God speaking to him) you see that God had a purpose and a plan to use these men for His ends. Imagine once they “accepted” the “offer” they were taken through many trials and tribulations to strengthen their faith in a faithful God. These men developed deep relationships with the Lord and understood His nature. They could look back on their lives and see God’s hand preparing them to be mightily used by Him and for Him. It is no doubt that when they saw Him moving they would align themselves to move with God. Even Jonah obeyed, after a little discipline, of course. I think what strikes me is that none of these men were men who cared initially,but submitted to God’s authority and plan and through a grooming process for “such a time as this” developed their care through a deep relationship with the Lord of mercy and love and hope. It is encouraging to see how God takes people who don’t seem qualified in their own eyes or the eyes of others but God says, “I qualify whom I wish to qualify”. They didn’t necessarily qualify because of anything they have done, but they are qualified quite simply because God chose them to be His man for the job and He qualified and prepared them. That’s encouraging to know that no matter what, whether we’re eloquent speakers or not, whether we’re educated enough or not, whether we have a lot of influence or not, God can qualify us to be an instrument to bring about His plans. Thanks for this post, PJ. It is something I will ponder at least for the rest of the day. It’s a stark contrast to see the men who God qualifies and prepares to do His work versus the men who “qualify” themselves to do what they want to see accomplished. I hope and pray that they will be remorseful for their pride and arrogance and repent and be restored to a humble and submissive relationship to a merciful God.

  3. Thanks for the responses brothers!

    What i was thinking about also last night are the false prophets and words we hear constantly….

    Take for instance the one here on the front page by Kim Clement: the one in which he more or less prophesied death in the White House in his usual hair tossing overly dramatic manner…

    Of course we know Clement is a false prophet, so don’t give heed to anything he says…but….

    If he’s prophesying by another spirit, a demonic spirit, could it not be actually revealing something to us–that being satans plan: (in this case, to bring death to the White House) Do you see what i mean?

    Just a thought…

    One thing sticks out to me about these false ‘prophesies’ and prophets–they do not grieve when their ‘words’ are warnings, they actually appear to relish giving them out, …there is no humility shown, no fear of the Lord and also, no asking others to pray and intercede before God on the matter–

  4. 2 Timothy 3:13 But evil men and impostors will progress worse and worse, misleading and being mislead.

    impostors-seducers of gospel of intimidation

  5. As is the case for all the spiritual gifts, God gives prophetic visons and warnings through His chosen mouthpiece because He doesn’t want anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance. (2 Peter 3:9)

    Today we recognize that many have gone the “way Balaam,” but a true prophet will be motivated by love, nothing more, nothing less. Prophets will risk life and limb to serve God in the way He has graced them. They are not afraid to be “fools for Christ.” I agree with Tozer, God tells the man who cares. As in the words of Isaiah, “Here I am, send me.”

    God forewarns so that we may be forearmed and prepared–like Noah was. Remember, it was by faith Noah condemned the world–and managed to save himself and his family.

  6. It’s a stark contrast to see the men who God qualifies and prepares to do His work versus the men who “qualify” themselves to do what they want to see accomplished.

    True Reformed…i believe we see more who were never called but called themselves. In some of these false prophetic groups, they call each other!

    Today we recognize that many have gone the “way Balaam,” but a true prophet will be motivated by love, nothing more, nothing less.

    YES! Elizabeth, you caught what i was trying to say.

    All Spiritual gifts operate by love and so do all true callings like Prophet, Pastor, Teacher, etc.

  7. I think a true prophet’s main motivation IS love, like Elizabeth said. But I think there may also be other motivating factors such as fear. The fear of what the ramifications could be for disobedience, if that makes sense.
    The confusing part for me is that the Lord knows all things. He knows who will obey and who will not, yet the prophet, or the seeker in prayer such as Hezekiah, must be obedient for certain events to come to pass, or to change an outcome.
    I think it’s obvious that these days, folks like Clement, who like to call themselves prophets, are not. These people are vain and prideful.They enjoy the attentions and the lifestyle that being a ‘prophet’ affords them. I think it is safe to say that genuine prophets, such as Noah or Moses, were God fearing men who probably didn’t enjoy the notoriety that ensued when they were obediently prophesying.

  8. Remember Matthew Stephens? This reminds me of the posts about him. Taking glee in God’s wrath coming against people, instead of grieving for them.

  9. PJ,

    that’s a great point.

    One of the most beautiful examples of this is found in 1 Chronicles 17 and 2 Samuel 7.

    The thing that is of most concern to me are these verses:::>

    1Ch 17:16 Then King David went in and sat before the LORD and said, “Who am I, O LORD God, and what is my house, that you have brought me thus far?

    and

    2Sa 7:18 Then King David went in and sat before the LORD and said, “Who am I, O Lord GOD, and what is my house, that you have brought me thus far?

    One sure way God will give us “Words” for another is to follow David’s example.

    Here are a couple of the New Testament interpretations of King David and what we are gifted to do:::>

    Php 4:9 What you have learned and received and heard and seen in me–practice these things, and the God of peace will be with you.

    and of course this classic one:::>

    Heb 4:12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.
    Heb 4:13 Neither is there any creature that is not manifest in his sight: but all things are naked and opened unto the eyes of him with whom we have to do.
    Heb 4:14 Seeing then that we have a great high priest, that is passed into the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our profession.
    Heb 4:15 For we have not a high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.
    Heb 4:16 Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need.

    I love coming before God and sitting in Stillness and listening to Him.

    Here is another one of those inspirational verses:

    Col 4:12 Epaphras, who is one of you, a servant of Christ, saluteth you, always laboring fervently for you in prayers, that ye may stand perfect and complete in all the will of God.
    Col 4:13 For I bear him record, that he hath a great zeal for you, and them that are in Laodicea, and them in Hierapolis.

    After listening to that song On Johnny’s Stormy banks, it just makes me want to rejoice in the Joy of the Lord and pray for someone!

    1Ch 16:31 Let the heavens be glad, and let the earth rejoice: and let men say among the nations, The LORD reigneth.

  10. -“If he’s prophesying by another spirit, a demonic spirit, could it not be actually revealing something to us–that being satans plan: (in this case, to bring death to the White House) Do you see what i mean? ”

    PJ, I see what ya mean…and concur. Matthew Stephens was and is still saying the same things. I believe it is one in the same lying spirits.

  11. PJ
    ..both Your conclusions are very true.
    Maybe, apart from them, one could also be, that it has not only to be the right person,
    but the proper time, as well.
    He never says something, when it won t work out something; he neither will give words to a person, but only if the others , to whom count those words, have been prepared in that period, to accept those words, as well…

    this than is for prophecy, not interceding, as Daniel

    I mean, when He, in short time from now, wíll give words to some ( about what is going to happen), others will confirm that those words are His ‘ .

    I guess that untill that ‘ togetherness in sensing ‘ appears, we live in a period of…training, still

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