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Who are the Jewish People? ~ Is God gathering Jewish people back to the land?


An excellent three part teaching is up at  Messianic Good News,

The question of “Who is a Jew?” remains a contentious and unresolved issue, relating as it does to the ‘Law of Return’ and the nature of the ‘Jewish State’ as well as to the question of whether Jewishness is necessarily connected with either the practice of Judaism or Zionism.

This series offers a brief overview of what constitutes the Jewish people today. It is an abridged and edited version of a Powerpoint series originally compiled by Margie Kinsella. Part One – Background and History deals with the history of persecution that has formed the identity of Jewish people today. Part Two – Return to the Land looks at whether God is gathering Jewish people back to the land. Part Three – Judaism  gives a brief description of the main branches of Judaism with which many Jews identify themselves.

Excerpt from Part Two, The Return to the Land 

IS GOD GATHERING ALL THE JEWS TO THE STATE OF ISRAEL?

There are many Old Testament verses that speak of returning to the Land. What do these verses point to? Words used in the New Testament help us to understand the Old Testament: A pattern, a copy, an example, a shadow, a tutor (to lead us to Christ), a model, a type, a figure, a foreshadowing, a proverb, an allegory, a symbol, a parable –translated in Hebrews as ‘type’ & ‘symbolic’.

What then does entering the “Promised Land” point to? What is being ‘foreshadowed?

Numbers 14:23: The spies who were sent to spy out the land brought back a bad report because they allowed fear to overcome their faith in the promises of God? Because of lack of faith – “they certainly shall not see the land of which I swore to give their fathers”.

Psalm 95:10-11 ….So I swore in my wrath, ‘They shall not enter my rest.’

Hebrews 3 & 4 shows what this “rest” was pointing to:

For if Joshua had given them rest, then he would not afterward have spoken of another day. There remains therefore a rest for the people of God. For he who has entered his rest has himself also ceased from his works as God did from his. (Hebrews 4:8-10).

This is the eternal “rest” we enter into by faith. “Let us therefore be diligent to enter that rest, lest anyone fall according to the same example of disobedience.” Hebrews 4:11

To say that today Jews should enter the physical land called “Israel” in fulfillment of the Old Testament, is to completely ignore the teachings of the New Testament and overlook what the experience in the Old Testament was foreshadowing!

The Old Testament finds its fulfillment in the New Testament—in Yeshua/Jesus. Jewish people find their fulfillment by receiving their Messiah not by returning to the land.

But through their fall, to provoke them to jealousy, salvation has come to the Gentiles. (Romans 11:11)

This means to provoke them to salvation, not to returning to the physical land.

The Scriptural truth: the return is to God – the gathering is to Shiloh – the Messiah! 

9 comments on “Who are the Jewish People? ~ Is God gathering Jewish people back to the land?

  1. PJM – I actually have a much less certain view of this. I see obvious prophetic references to an end time redemption for Jews who en masse believe on Christ, but I cannot say for certain about all the particulars. As I have said, even if God will move miraculously among the remnant Jews in the end, that should not interfere with this gospel age and it certainly should not create a false “apple of His eye” theology that suggests all Christians should support the secular nation of Israel.

    And that misguided theology can even lead men like John Hagee to embrace a dual salvation path – one for Gentiles and another for Jews. That is heresy at its finest!

    • PJM – I actually have a much less certain view of this

      Rick, when it comes to last-day prophecy the older i get, the less certain i am. aha!!🙂

      And sometimes uncertainty can be a good place to be. It leaves us open to still be taught by the Holy Spirit when our views are not yet set in stone.

      As I have said, even if God will move miraculously among the remnant Jews in the end, that should not interfere with this gospel age and it certainly should not create a false “apple of His eye” theology that suggests all Christians should support the secular nation of Israel.

      Amen, amen! Now that im certain of!!

  2. I have as much of a problem with this as I do with John Hagee. It’s one extreme to the other.

    The Old Testament prophets contain many promises of restoration and return to the land, and I don’t think you can just dismiss them as foreshadows. To do that is is a definite contradiction of the historical-grammatical approach to exegesis that evangelicals subscribe to. Furthermore, some of these prophecies are so explicit about a physical return to a physical land (eg Ezekiel 36) that I don’t see how they can be interpreted as anything else,

    • Amen!! It’s similar to the Harlot church and the Bride. There is a Harlot church but there is also a Bride, a remnant, the true church. Many believers have yet to make a distinction between the two. But it is absolutely necessary.

      There is a secular nation of Israel but there is also a true remnant or to be more biblical, a seed, which will come out of this predicted national Israel and will be grafted back into the true vine. Christians must make a distinction between the two entities of national Israel and the promised seed which will come out of her.

      Rom 9:27,29 Isaiah cries out concerning Israel, “THOUGH THE NUMBER OF THE SONS OF ISRAEL BE LIKE THE SAND OF THE SEA, IT IS THE REMNANT THAT WILL BE SAVED… And just as Isaiah foretold, “UNLESS THE LORD OF SABAOTH HAD LEFT TO US A POSTERITY(a seed), WE WOULD HAVE BECOME LIKE SODOM, AND WOULD HAVE RESEMBLED GOMORRAH.”

      Two words to notice, remnant and posterity, or literally “seed”. The word “remnant” develops in the book of Romans into an explanation of those Jews who are saved through faith in Christ. Believing or Christian Jews.
      ” There has also come to be at the present time a remnant according to God’s gracious choice” Rom 11:5. It is the remnant of Jews that will be saved or who will accept Christ.

      The other word used in Romans 9:29 is “posterity” or literally “seed”. These are those Jews who will be saved at the return of Christ or Israel would have become desolate, without descendants.

      Rom 11:26 and so all Israel will be saved; just as it is written, “THE DELIVERER WILL COME FROM ZION, HE WILL REMOVE UNGODLINESS FROM JACOB.”

      When the Lord comes “all Israel” will be saved when He removes ungodliness from JACOB!! The Lord will deal with Jacob at the end of days and bring a posterity or seed back to faith in Him that will fulfill the promise of a natural seed as well as a spiritual seed.

    • Weren’t these fulfilled when the remnant returned and rebuilt the walls of Jerusalem and the temple?

    • Good question Job.

      A Physical return, yes, i agree.

      Was there to be another physical return? I don’t see it in the word.

      To say that today Jews should enter the physical land called “Israel” in fulfillment of the Old Testament, is to completely ignore the teachings of the New Testament and overlook what the experience in the Old Testament was foreshadowing. The Old Testament finds its fulfillment in the New Testament—in Yeshua/Jesus. Jewish people find their fulfillment by receiving their Messiah not by returning to the land.

  3. (Sorry i haven’t responded guys, but i took a much needed break through Christmas)

    The Old Testament prophets contain many promises of restoration and return to the land, and I don’t think you can just dismiss them as foreshadows.

    Hi Sidefall,

    Peter Cohen (also) has an excellent teaching at Messianic Good News on the topic you may want to check out: The Hope of Israel | Ezekiel 37

    Would like to hear your thoughts on it.

  4. That Israel will exist as a nation in the last days is plainly represented in scripture. This is clear from events in Daniel 8 (the appointed time of the end, the final period of indignation) and the Olivet discourse(Matt 24, Mark 13 and Luke 24). The temple will be rebuilt and it’s liturgy re-enacted with sacrifices and priesthood and even sanhedrin council(Mk 13:9) before the events involving the antichrist can happen as described in these two passages.

    The abomination of desolation takes center stage in these passages and is brought into view in
    2Thess 2:3-4
    “Let no one in any way deceive you, for it( the Day of the Lord) will not come unless the apostasy comes first, and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction, who opposes and exalts himself above every so-called god or object of worship, so that he takes his seat in the temple of God, displaying himself as being God.

    In simplicity let me say, Let no one deceive you!! The Lord will not return to gather us to Himself until the man of sin sits on that throne in the temple of God proclaiming himself God.

  5. A returning remnant to the nation of Israel is the most important aspect of prophecy facing the world today. However, just because there are Jews living in the Holy Land does not automatically mean that God is behind the movement or that prophecy is being fulfilled.
    There are hundreds of verses in the Bible that promise Zion, but far too many teachings that do not correctly understand the promise. Zionism is not what the world is generally taught and sadly few recognize the danger that this teaching poses to the soul.
    Does Zion exist? Yes, but not in the context that the religious world claims. In the book of Genesis, God promised to give Abraham the land between the Euphrates and Nile rivers (Genesis 15:18). Modern Israel currently does not have the land promised and until they receive that parcel of land the prophecy cannot be considered fulfilled.
    The writings of the Old Testament prophets also claim that the whole nation of Israel will return to this promise land which constitutes more than the 2 tribes of Judah and Benjamin. The prophecies of Isaiah, Jeremiah, Ezekiel and Daniel all state that both the Houses of Israel and of Judah will dwell in the land given to Abraham and that they will do so at a time when their hearts are righteous before the LORD.
    Modern Israel does not claim to have a remnant of all 12 tribes living holy before their God. In fact, the majority of its citizens are ardently opposed to Christianity by which all men are forgiven. Yet, Jacob on his death bed prophesied that in the last days all 12 tribes will exist at the time of the end (Genesis 49).
    Many would side-step the 12 tribe issue by claiming that the 12 tribes existed after Ezra’s return from Babylon or that all 12 tribes were living in Israel during the first ministry of Jesus Christ. But quickly ignore the fact that once Zion is created it is forever. Both the Jews and whatever remnant of the so called 10 lost tribes that existed at that time were later expelled from the Holy Land by the Roman Emperor Diocletian in the second century AD.
    While some believe that a Jewish return to the Holy land after 1900 years is a miraculous event that fact alone does not mean that Zion is about to be fulfilled because the Messiah has not yet come to live and rule with His gathered people. But rather than read the prophecies of Isaiah, Jeremiah, Ezekiel, Daniel, Amos, Zechariah, Joel. Micah and others some will suggest a spiritual rule from heaven despite what the texts consistently state.
    Remember, the texts state that the gathered will live righteously before their God nor will they be deceived any longer. Yet Revelations 20 says that during the reign of Christ that the devil cannot deceive the nations anymore until the end of that reign on earth. Are not the nations and Israel currently being deceived?
    The concept of Zion is complete when all 12 tribes of Israel live in the Promise Land with their Savior King Jesus Christ at His return (Acts 1:11). Modern Israel cannot produce any evidence to suggest that they own the land, that all 12 tribes are living together, that they are righteous before God and are living with their King (Ezekiel 37).
    Therefore, why is the concept of Zion so important and why should one do an honest study of what the Bible says concerning that promise? Because one needs to understand that there will be TWO creations of Zion, one false by the hand of Satan and another by the will of God. And the safety of your soul will be dependent upon your acceptance or rejection of which Zion you choose.
    The modern nation of Israel is NOT the beginning of Zion but rather a tool used by the devil to establish his rule on earth. But because this nation does not yet possess the entire land promised to Abraham, there will be a regional war in the Middle East to conquer that land to give the appearance that Zion is coming.
    Of course many will be told that this expansion of land is God’s work to fulfill the prophecy, yet it is important to know what caused the war to begin with, namely the dividing of the land between the Palestinians and modern Israel (Obadiah). But as God warns in Joel 2-3, He will not be happy when this event takes place particularly because it is the anti-Christ that is behind the dividing of the land (Daniel 11:39).
    Next, and with great sorrow, this Middle Eastern war will quickly spread globally (which includes the United States) and the prophecies of Ezekiel 38 and 39 will now begin. But the liars of the devil’s grand scheme will quickly tell the world that because the modern nation of Israel will rise victorious that the battle of Armageddon is done and that we must make ready a temple to be received by the coming Messiah.
    And last of course, after the false messiah performs a miraculous rebuilding of the earth, many will come to this false Zion to worship and to receive the seal of their god (mark of the beast). Eventually, this Zion will crumble when the beast turns on his worshippers and demands worship from all.
    The abomination that maketh desolate (Daniel 11:31) is false Zion. True Zion will not come until Jesus Christ returns and one’s true heart will be revealed. I can of course offer a tremendous amount of scriptural proof to support what I have presented but I trust one will not take any man’s word for anything and go to the truth as written for their own understanding led by the ONE who wrote the book. Sadly, some will not take the time to do that and will trust their souls to the preeminence of men or with what is comfortable just like the pre-tribber or the various forms of historist teaching.
    But I no longer need to argue allegory or context of text because we have reached the days when both false and true Zion will be seen. The Mid-east peace proposal between Palestinian and Jew marks the beginning of sorrows and I pray that when we see these things come our hearts will be prepared and we behave as the wise virgin with the extra oil and serve the Lord faithfully. Amen.

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